gender dysphoria and the plight of parents

[MournfulWatcher]

Another example posted in the Catholic forum recently: Violent Male Offenders are Being Transferred to Women’s Prisons in Canada

Men in Canada claiming to be trans are being transferred to women-only prisons. Many are violent sex offenders and murderers. Those in charge of health are reportedly giving women in the prison morning-after pills and telling them to go to the psychology department if they have a problem with it.

 

[KarateCowboy]

people who know what mental illness is know it's not a mental illness.


100% false.
the largest and longest running study into transsexuals C. Dhejne Long term follow up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment Surgery. found that the suicide rate for transsexuals who have had gender reassignment surgery is no different from suicide rate of the general population.

If it's not a mental illness then they don't need treatment, and they're just run of the mill perverts

 

[Quartermaine]

I got my degree in psychology and they are mentally ill.

So why don't you know what a mental illness is?

 

[Quartermaine]

"Because it's not a mental illness or a disability"
Sigh.
The American Psychiatric Association (APA) redefined mental disorders in the DSM-5 as "a syndrome characterized by clinically significant disturbance in an individual's cognition, emotion regulation, or behavior that reflects a dysfunction in the psychological, biological, or developmental processes underlying mental functioning.”[13] The final draft of ICD-11 contains a very similar definition.[14] Source: Mental disorder - Wikipedia (Before you decry it for being wikipedia, that's a direct quote from a research paper.)

I would say gender dysphoria falls under this definition.

the DSM doesn't

Part of the diagnostic criteria for gender dysphoria includes significant distress or impairment in functioning in at least two areas of functioning - family school/work, social, personal care. And as in any criteria for impairment or distress the cause has to be he mental illness not in the reactions or behaviors of other people.

"We have a spectrum of races with an infinite number of racial variations but that doesn't mean Caucasian isn't real."
Race is directly observable. Someone being "demigender" isn't directly observable.

they are subjectively observable and open to interpretation so not directly observable at all

Sources for trans athletes:
Transgender fighter Fallon Fox sends opponent to hospital
A High School Girl’s Life After Transgender Students Join Her Sport
Transgender powerlifter stripped of women’s records because he is male

your claim was "Transwomen competing in every single women's sports event are blowing away the competition." For which i am still asking for evidence

 

[Quartermaine]

But really, it has nothing to do with the very real possibility (given the long history of how sodomite perverts have used bathrooms for their perversity) of attacks or harrassment. The very existence of the opposite gender (claiming in delusion to be trans) in the bathroom is very core to what profanity is. It profanes both sexes and is a great violation of the human.

Those opposed to civil rights used the the same line to defend segregated bathrooms and schools. They cited the long history of how blacks are rife with venereal diseases and continually engage in the rape of white women and girls. Their claims were just as real as yours

 

[Thir7ySev3n]

Gender is a synonym for sex. The term was literally coined as such. You're pushing a myth, and what you wrote is not internally consistent or factually correct.

Please stop it with the super ignorant biological comparisons to cold blooded reptiles and gilled animals. When you can stay under water indefinitely without drowning then I'll consider the dumb comparisons

We need more people like you on this forum, and more Christians who speak like this in general. Christians broadly have developed such a soft spot that issues as grotesque as these are allowed to simmer then fester like an infected wound amidst all sound doctrine and reason. There are no "positive" adjectives to rightly respond to this kind of perversion. It is simply stupid, foolish, perverse, profane, filthy, abominable and altogether to be rejected.

There is a polarized difference between paving the way to repentance by restoring a person in gentleness, and pretending that the sin that has enraptured them is to be treated as anything but a cancer to be eradicated.

. Doesn’t the Bible say also not to vex your children.

You have NOOOOO understanding whatsoever on how to apply this command.

Who is that? Lol.

I got my degree in psychology and they are mentally ill. I can also tell you that most of psychological 'science' is just a cracked as it was under the Third Reich - absolutely in line with the power structure and merely industrialized justification for the regime.

But you're not a real psychologist. Real psychologists agree with Brightmoon and associates. [/sarcasm]

 

[JacksBratt]

So why don't you know what a mental illness is?

Are you a doctor and trained in mental illnesses? Do you have a degree in psychology or psychiatry?

Or are you just listening to what you are being told by others that don't know or are afraid to tell the truth.

These days... truth is getting harder and harder to find.. Stating truth is called hate speech... The world is running on "political correctness" in order for the masses to appease the very few....


If you are not an expert... and have no documentation from experts, to support your view... Then... sorry but your view is invalid.

 

[KarateCowboy]

We need more people like you on this forum, and more Christians who speak like this in general. Christians broadly have developed such a soft spot that issues as grotesque as these are allowed to simmer then fester like an infected wound amidst all sound doctrine and reason. There are no "positive" adjectives to rightly respond to this kind of perversion. It is simply stupid, foolish, perverse, profane, filthy, abominable and altogether to be rejected.

There is a polarized difference between paving the way to repentance by restoring a person in gentleness, and pretending that the sin that has enraptured them is to be treated as anything but a cancer to be eradicated.



You have NOOOOO understanding whatsoever on how to apply this command.



But you're not a real psychologist. Real psychologists agree with Brightmoon and associates. [/sarcasm]

Well, thank you very much. The thing is: it's not a Christian thing at all. It's a "do you have a functioning brain"thing. The law of contradictory opposites was coined by pagans such as Aristotle. You can worship Athena and still see that cutting off your penis and wearing a wig makes you a eunuch in drag, not a woman.

Transexual extremism is doublethink as an ideology. It's an assault on reality for the sake of power, trying to make everyone honor The Emperor's New Pronouns. It's really unfortunate, because we could be addressing pressing, legitimate problems rather than this funhouse mirror nonsense

 

[MournfulWatcher]

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[MournfulWatcher]

the DSM doesn't

Part of the diagnostic criteria for gender dysphoria includes significant distress or impairment in functioning in at least two areas of functioning - family school/work, social, personal care. And as in any criteria for impairment or distress the cause has to be he mental illness not in the reactions or behaviors of other people.

they are subjectively observable and open to interpretation so not directly observable at all

your claim was "Transwomen competing in every single women's sports event are blowing away the competition." For which i am still asking for evidence

The links for my evidence are in bright blue if you're having trouble seeing them.

We're coming from two radically different underlying worldviews and I simply am not sure how to find common ground with you.

Let me ask you this: in your view, how is "gender" defined?

 

[Brightmoon]

Gender is a synonym for sex. The term was literally coined as such. You're pushing a myth, and what you wrote is not internally consistent or factually correct.

Please stop it with the super ignorant biological comparisons to cold blooded reptiles and gilled animals. When you can stay under water indefinitely without drowning then I'll consider the dumb comparisons

since we share common ancestry with fish and reptilomorphs we have some of the same traits . Sometimes the ancestral traits show up . Phenotypic plasticity is a given in all organisms and sometimes that involves the brain .

And FYI you still have your gills but we usually call them the parathyroids in humans.

 

[civilwarbuff]

You might want to not make this comment sound so factual......

And FYI you still have your gills but we usually call them the parathyroids in humans.

It has been suggested that the tetrapod glands may have been evolutionarily derived from these fish gills.[10][24]
Wiki

 

[Brightmoon]

Mental illness is not caused by brain damage... The cause is not known.. but they are real. I heard a psychiatrist talk and they stated that no trained mental professional can or will go on record and say for sure if the mental illness causes the chemical changes that are evident in the brain.... or.... if the chemicals in the brain bring on the mental illness.

An individual who has the genitalia of a male, the DNA will say they are male.. every physical test will tell you that they are male... but their brain... their mental state will say that they are female or some other mythical pseudo sex.

Therefore.. It's in their head.. it's not reality.. It's a mental illness.

. Oops I meant people who don’t accept their own legs as theirs and similar cases are usually caused by brain damage. That wasn’t clear . That’s not always true about the DNA either . Some people who appear female and have female genitalia are actually XY but the part of theY chromosome that make you externally male isn’t functional .

 

[Brightmoon]

You might want to not make this comment sound so factual......

It has been suggested that the tetrapod glands may have been evolutionarily derived from these fish gills.[10][24]
Wiki

Fish gills regulate calcium levels in the blood ...so do your parathyroids . I’m sure that it’s factual

 

[Euodius]

Well, the professionals disagree with you:

What Is Gender Dysphoria?

Diagnosis

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) provides for one overarching diagnosis of gender dysphoria with separate specific criteria for children and for adolescents and adults.




Again, professionals disagree with you:

Sex Reassignment Doesn’t Work. Here Is the Evidence.

Sex “reassignment” doesn’t work. It’s impossible to “reassign” someone’s sex physically, and attempting to do so doesn’t produce good outcomes psycho socially.


And:

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden

Conclusions

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.

So, you support Hitler's Holocaust because the mental health professionals 'discovered' that the Jews suffered from S-Dissolution and were "Gegentyp"? The Jews were diagnosed as mentally ill and a threat to sociey - How dare anyone disagree with professionals?

This is you right now; "They are PROFESSIONALS! RESPECT THEIR AUTHORITY!"

 

[Euodius]

So why don't you know what a mental illness is?

Oh, I do know what mental illness is. And really, it's sad that you've accepted propaganda that is contrary to your own physiological reaction - it's a bit disassociative.

If you allowed yourself to see the world through your own essential humanity you would not argue, but would fervently agree.

 

[JacksBratt]

So, you support Hitler's Holocaust because the mental health professionals 'discovered' that the Jews suffered from S-Dissolution and were "Gegentyp"? The Jews were diagnosed as mentally ill and a threat to sociey - How dare anyone disagree with professionals?

This is you right now; "They are PROFESSIONALS! RESPECT THEIR AUTHORITY!"

Are you a health care professional of any kind?

 

[Euodius]

Are you a health care professional of any kind?

Yes. I have multiple graduate specializations in various schools of psychology. I am an active peer-reviewer of several journals in cognitive science and am published. My thesis was about the epistemological foundations of psychology, the consequences of the epistemological failure on the advancement of science, and the (the very subject this thread is about) the various mental illnesses of sexual perversity - including homosexuality and transexuality.

Do you have education in the philosophy of science? Do you understand what a category distinction, what kind of category distinction is used by psychology (as opposed to other sciences)? And do you understand that most professionals do not understand the basis of their own science and are not qualified to speak on category distinctions? Do you even know what science is and how it is used and how it may be corrupted? The answer is, of course, "no" - to all these questions.

Now, what about the intent of your question?

• To throw doubt on plain and well-known historical fact? - it was Nazi Germany that created the 'mental health professional' with the creation of the first psychological professional examination (the DPO - which is still in use today, albiet in modified form.)
• Or do you intend to appeal to the authority of a 'scientific mob' which you can't even establish as existing?
• Or do you consider a council of 10 guys with degrees saying that pink marmelade unicorns control the world to be necessarily true by the fact that they have dago dazzlers? Is that your standard for scientific validity?

Clearly, it might be all three, but if I don't assume your historical illiteracy, then almost certainly you've got quite the religious faith in some delusional myth of 'science' (a science that is not at all like real science that real people practice.)

 

[AACJ]

. God making them only male and female is solely a religious belief. Nature is more complex than that! Even in species that normally have 2 sexes and that includes humans. That’s not due to the devil . The Bible just doesn’t have accurate descriptions of natural phenomena

You must be reading from the wrong book.

There are numerous gender-specific prescriptions in Scripture. It would literally be impossible to fulfill such prescriptions without an objective way to determine God's preferred gender/sex for every person.

There is literally no such thing as a true hermaphrodite (a person with both a male and female set of fully functioning sex organs.

 

[AACJ]

Usually at the hands of people who claim it's mental illness

Oh yeah? where are the links for that claim.