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Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by AmusingMargaret, Jun 14, 2017.

  1. SkyWriting

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    Again, one can only make failing points by avoiding scripture.

    30 Bible verses about Loving Your Enemies


    Romans 12:14-21
    Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep. Be of the same mind toward one another; do not be haughty in mind, but associate with the lowly Do not be wise in your own estimation.

    Proverbs 25:21-22
    If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; And if he is thirsty, give him water to drink; For you will heap burning coals on his head, And the LORD will reward you.

    Luke 6:35
    Verse Concepts
    "But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men.


     
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  2. Thee David III

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    You CANNOT avoid making judgements, that is illogical to say we cannot "Judge"


    List me all of the verses that you think are telling you we cannot "judge" or "make judgments"

    And after you list the verses, you give me a brief explanation on what kind of "judging" it is talking about, because I know for a fact there is no possible way it means all type of judgment, that is LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE to live out and not make any judgements upon anything or anyone and I would call the bible out for being a lie if that case. From everything I have seen, there is righteous judgement and unrighteous judgment.

    Give me the list and I promise I will look at each verses and I will look into it, and I am going to take a tiny bit to get back to them each because I am going to see the context of each, then I am going to compare them to other verses which say we do judge and imply we can judge other people, and work out if there are contradictions or not.

    Because there CANNOT be contradictions in the bible or its not God's word. God is logical, his word must be logical and cannot be contradictory, I cannot have multiple verses on one hand saying we can judge and make judgements and imply we can judge other people but on the other hand say we cannot judge people.

    if the bible is accurate and true and God does not lie, his word must be logical and fit together

    I will also give theses verses to a second Christian to get their take on it as well, then I will come back and see where it fits.
     
  3. Thee David III

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    Answer it hypocrite, you are the one with the logical problem, not me. Its not my fault you see the flaw in your argument and hypocrisy because you cannot avoid making judgements in life and against other people
     
  4. Thee David III

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    Now prove I am a hypocrite hypocrite.

    Please show me anywhere in any post I have made where I have told some one NOT to do something and I am doing the very same thing I told them not to do.

    I'll be waiting

    Others can call my hypocrite if they want, I have yet to see someone call me a hypocrite and calling someone a hypocrite doesn't make them one any more than calling someone a cow makes them a cow.

    Where is the PROOF and EVIDENCE I am being a hypocrite not obeying by what I have told other people.

    The only hypocrite here is you who have a logical problem with judgments and you have done things you told others not to do which is why you are a hypocrite and I am not.

    I obey what I tell others and am not doing what I tell others not to do

    You do not obey what you tell others not to do and thus that makes you a hypocrite

    I am still waiting for you to answer if you judge people who enter your home or do you just let strangers do as they please and walk in without judging them if they are fit to be around your family, do you just let child molesters spend the night and walk in your home because you need to avoid judgments about them?

    give me a break. The only argument that is illogical is yours, everyone here knows you make judgments about people all the time.

    Do you work? Did your employer make a judgement about you?

    Are people who own a business wrong and sinners for JUDGING people who can work and who cannot???

    Guess they are wrong and sinners for judging the people they hire

    What about police departments who hire police officers? Should they not JUDGE the people they hire??? Should they just like a former child rapist who lives in the sin of raping children become a police officer???

    The fact you think you cannot make judgements against people is ILLOGICAL

    Every aspect of life JUDGES PEOPLE just in order to function and work

    What happens when I want to hire someone for work and I go to their facebook account and they have videos of them getting drunk and high??? I guess business owners cannot make a judgement that they are drunkards and drug users and I don't want to hire such people for my business because they might be HIGH AND DRUNK on the job.

    Illogical, Illogical, Illogical

    If you EXIST you make judgements PERIOD, about yourself, about life, about things, about PEOPLE

    Don't pretend like judgements are not necessary, they are and everyone makes them.

    God is a JUDGING GOD

    We are made in God's image, we judge things as well, we don't cast people into hell and stuff, but we as humans MAKE JUDGEMENTS just like our creator.

    When we see a crazy person running with a KNIFE we JUDGE THEM and act accordingly to see what we must do to stop them.

    When we hire people for jobs we JUDGE them and make sure they are not wanted criminals

    When we let people into our homes we JUDGE them and make sure they are not a freaking child molester before letting them around or children.

    WAKE UP

    Hard to rebuke logic, isn't it, hard to rebuke reality when you can claim we cannot judge but in realty every single person that exist unless a baby or mentally insane judges other people and things.

    How much you wanna bet you are judging me in your mind right now before even typing anything. Bet you 100% my life you are.

    I don't have to know your thoughts to know that, just like I don't have to see your breathing right now to know for a 100% fact you are breathing right now.

    You are making judgements in your MIND ABOUT ME the entire time and you are making judgements about what I am saying and ME before responding back.
     
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  5. SkyWriting

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    But scripture says we must.

    What Does the Bible Say About Judging On Appearances?
     
  6. Thee David III

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    Are you implying I am judging according to appearance or is that the list of verses you wanted me to look at? Because I already pointed out before that judging according to appearance is wrong, judging according to appearance is if I seen someone with a purple shirt and called them homosexual without proof of them actually being so but just assuming based on their looks/appearance.

    I don't know if you were implying that or if that is the list you want me to look at.

    That being said, I will stop calling you a hypocrite but I wanted to beat a dead horse because if you are declaring all forms of judgement is wrong I have a major problem with that sense all forms of judgment are impossible to not make in life.

    Also I am not being arrogant, but I can tell it was about to lead to that only because I am trying to point out, you are forced to make judgements and you do not seem to be getting it. I am not saying all judgements and forms of judgements we can do or are right, but I am saying if you say something is wrong I am going to hold you accountable and watch to see if you obey the judgements you say you cannot use.

    Is that the list though?

    I have to leave in 30 minutes, I will be back later tonight to look through them and read them.

    Alot of those I have already read before and some of those are talking about hypocritical judgement and judging according to appearances both of which I do not do. I have never judged someone according to their looks alone without having proof of something they have done or them revealing it to me, and I have never judged or made a judgement about someones character or told them not to be a drunk or a certain kind of sinner if I myself was doing that same sin or living in sin.

    So both of those do not apply to me since I never judge according to looks alone and I never judge someone for a sin I myself am doing, if I was doing them I wouldn't have the right to tell someone else to stop being a drug user if I was a drug user myself.

    There are a few verses I have seen you mention I have not seen before, so I will have to look into the context and read it for myself in the entire chapter to see what kind of judgement it is talking about, to whom it applies to and to whom it is talking to or about.

    Because there are different forms of judgement

    I am a little bit confused though why you gave me that list because I skimmed over them before I am leaving and I seen a few that clearly say to judge righteously in the verses which seems to be counter to what you want to say, so I don't see how that would help your stance if you think all forms of judgement are wrong.

    But I will look at it unbiasly tonight when I come back and read them all and respond to them all.

    And I am not trying to divide us Christians on this, but we all cannot be right, either I am wrong or you are wrong or we are both wrong, we all cannot be correct

    I simply will call out what I think to be illogical, it doesn't mean I can never be wrong, I have been wrong in the past, but thus far I haven't seen in logical to say all judgement is wrong because then I am going to have a major logical problem with the judgements everyone on Earth makes everyday just to function and live together.

    But when I read those all, I will come with an open mind and with the "possibility" that my mind can be changed, it doesn't mean it will though.

    If its logical and everything is very clear in telling me I cannot make any forms of judgements then I will gladly change my mind

    But if I still find it illogical and have contradicting verses I am going to have trouble believing all forms of judgements are wrong

    This is how I decide what is truth

    #1 - The bible must not contradict itself on the subject, in order for it to be true it cannot contradict other verses and leave me with two contradicting answers, all the verses must come toghter to make logical sense

    #2 - The bible must be clear on it and not "iffy"

    #3 - It must be logical to believe in the first place

    #4 - I must be able to live it out or it must be possible to live out and it should show signs of most people living it out if its true

    Those are a few ways I decide if something in the bible agrees with reality and how I determine if I am more than likely correct or if someone else is.

    If I cannot live out the belief and nobody can, it makes it harder for me to trust it is true.

    If the bible said "You cannot breathe" but everyone has to in order to function in live, I would have a very hard time believing in that even if the bible said it, which I would have to reject the bible for being illogical.

    Everything I believe in the bible MUST be accurate with reality and everything I know in the bible is always accurate.

    I will look at those verses tonight.

    I believe that us Christians should be able to agree on most things. Because I believe if two Christians sat down they should both come to the same conclusion on most things, maybe not all, but most.

    I don't mind being wrong, but I also won't give in and I will spam a bunch of questions and hold people accountable and make sure they live out their own belief and call someone on it if they are not.

    Not because I find enjoyment out of it, because I like the truth and the truth is important to me and I need to figure out what is true and what is not because not all topics are super clear and easy.

    And none of us are infallible besides God.
     
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  7. SkyWriting

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    Ummmm that is my entire point.
    You can't prove somebody is a hypocrite
    any more than you can prove they sin.
    One person cannot see Sin in other people.
    Sin is an internal dialogue between a person and God.
    For this reason, God tells us not to judge others because
    no man can judge another rightly.
     
  8. Kenny'sID

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    You do realize just keeping the conversation going does not provide a backup to what you claimed? Of course you can always depend on the truth getting lost in all the posts but all one needs do is go back to the beginning and see what really happened.

    That said, this surpassed a waste of time awhile back, so I think we're done here.
     
  9. SkyWriting

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    Unless you are involved in the homosexual relationship yourself
    you only have hearsay to back any suspicions.


    There was one case of a woman married to a famous poet, and she was asked
    how did she not know from sleeping with him the poet was actually a woman.
    She replied "You're making wrong assumptions about our marriage."
     
  10. SkyWriting

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    Yes, we can all be correct.

    James 4:17
    So whoever knows the right thing to do
    and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

    Sin is conditional based on your knowledge of God and the law.
    Then there are different levels of your understanding of Gods' laws.
    Then there are different applications of God's laws to a particular situation.
    There are different situations that include differing amounts of forgiveness.
    God forgives all sin, on the condition, that you repent.
    And only you know these things.

    Mentally defective people are not held accountable in the same way that
    fully accountable people are.

    A man with an assault rifle is treated differently than a man who kills with his fist.
     
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  11. Thee David III

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    Umm, no, you can't prove me a hypocrite because you have NO EVIDENCE, I had evidence on you and pointed it out. You have no point, I am surprised if you even graduated high school if you think nobody can prove somebody is a hypocrite. You simply cannot call me one because you have NO EVIDENCE I am one which is not the case for you.

    Yes you can, if you think you cannot prove someone is a hypocrite, I hate to tell you but you are not the brightest in the bunch. Sin is breaking God's law, so yes, I can see when someone is "breaking God's law". Maybe you are blind so thats on you, but you clearly lack normal intelligence if you think we cannot prove someone to be a hypocrite. I cannot think of a nice word to call you for lacking normal intelligence so I am just not going to say any word at all to describe what your mental state is if you think nobody can ever point out a hypocrite or prove someone to be a hypocrite in life based upon their words and actions.

    It is BEYOND ignorant to say that. You would not stand a chance in a debate against an atheist or a Christian if you came to the debate saying "We cannot prove anyone to be a hypocrite" that is literally the most illogical lie I have ever heard on a forum before, I don't think I have ever heard an atheist state a more illogical claim and that is pretty bad.

    I watch videos of people being interviewed about wanting peace but yet they are rap artist who rap about murdering people and violence. That is called being a hypocrite, it is observable, it is factual, it is knowable and it is obvious, it is common sense.

    If anyone on this forum were to walk down the street and see a police officer breaking the law that police officer would be a hypocrite and they would have observed it, known it, it would be obvious and factual.

    I honestly do not think I have herd a more ignorant claim than that.

    It is like saying "nobody can see the color blue" that how illogical it is, and it is honestly so illogical and plain out "lacking normal intelligence" that it makes me not want to waste my time even replying to you anymore, because if you actually believe that non sense that nobody can prove someone to be a hypocrite in their words and actions, you are a lost cause.

    It doesn't get any unrealistic and illogical than that, and I have met some pretty illogical people in my life who have said some pretty illogical stuff.

    You are a liar, I have seen many hypocrites, Christians themselves debate atheist and point out atheist hypocrisy on video with observable, factual and provable evidence of their hypocrisy.

    I just got home and that claim just blew my mind, it blew my mind how you just made that illogical claim, I literally think that statement was about as smart as saying "Nobody can prove someone broke the law in the United States" ummm, yes we can, there is this thing called observing, maybe you haven't used your eyes in a while to observe someones actions to see if they do the opposite of what they claim they believe.

    You see we have these things called "Eyes" and we use them to "observe"

    When we "observe" someone breaking the law in the United States that is 100% observable evidence/proof they have broken the law.

    When we "observe" someone with a gun in their hand saying "give me all your money" and robbing someone, that isn't some fairy tale story, that is REAL LIFE and someone is actually being robbed and if the person robbing believes not to rob people but is robbing that is called "being a hypocrite"

    I actually think I got less smart by reading that claim you made and the sad part is I don't think I am joking. That has to go on my top 5 most illogical statements I have ever herd in my entire life and I do actually mean that.

    I don't know what type of stuff you are reading or looking at, but something has clearly brainwashed you into some type of fairy tale world where you think nobody can prove SIMPLE BASIC things like someone being a hypocrite.

    I live in reality where these things are actually provable and you are a liar so repent of your sin sinner.

    I have observed many hypocrites and so have countless of other people liar.

    Now I just got home and am going to bed, I'll reply to those judging verses some time after I wake up, right now I am going to sleep wondering how someone ever got to the point where you are to actually be brainwashed enough to think we cannot even have proof of someone being a hypocrite

    That is pretty sad and I pitty you that you actually believe that, the fact you are arguing about it is really sad. Its about as sad as someone saying "We cannot prove someone is a man or woman"

    I don't see the difference, your statement is just as illogical.

    I won't be replying to you any more after I reply to those verses, you do not even understand basic things about reality and you do not even think we can prove OBSERVABLE EVIDENCE we see with our own eyes.

    I can actually understand why some atheist and non-believers think some people are illogical, because that was actually one of the top illogical things I have ever herd, and its so illogical that I cannot fathom how anyone on this planet could possible believe that no matter what culture they are born, how smart or not smart they are.

    There is no excuse for believing in that absurdity. Repent of your lying because you made a claim nobody can see a hypocrite or prove anyone is a hypocrite even though I have seen MANY, people KNOW many hypocrites and you should read your own post and your own answers to see how ironic that statement is since you have went against your own beliefs multiple times (cough, cough)

    Go believe that absurdity if you want, I will not live my life in la la land, I live in realty where my eyes actually observe peoples actions and I can see when someone is actually breaking the law or not.

    Don't bother replying to me, I won't answer anything back, that crossed the line of abusrities for me and after hearing that I am quite positive there is no where to get to you after that point.

    If someone believes in pink elephants its very hard to change their mind on it, and you believing that nobody can prove someone to be a hypocrite even though our EYES can OBSERVE them being one, is like believing in a pink elephant. I guess you can't be helped at that point, at least you don't want to be, so you go on believing in that lie.

    Good luck with that and lets see how logical you look saying that to anyone else who is in law enforcement and deals with hypocrites daily and observes people breaking the law.

    I'm in a loss for words, enjoy your day
     
  12. Thee David III

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    Yes, if you read some of the other stuff replied to me you would really see it is a waste of time, doesn't even think we can state obvious facts we observe with our eye balls and doesn't think nobody has ever proven someone to be a hypocrite.

    Good luck your conversation though :)
     
  13. Kenny'sID

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    Once some people realize they are wrong, the whole conversation can become a Joke, and I'm actually embarrassed I stuck around as long as I did. :)
     
  14. Thee David III

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    Yea, I am perfectly fine with being wrong on a subject, I am humble enough to admit when I am wrong or if someone makes more sense then me I will gladly say "You're right, my position makes no sense now that I think about it logically"

    But I cannot talk with someone who believes in absurdities like "We cannot prove your shirt is blue"...

    Its like ummm... yes we can... we can literally just look at it with our eye balls and see if its blue or not

    I try to be humble but sometimes it is hard when someone gives me the most illogical statements ever that are so far from reality its not even close to a good argument and a 8th grader would call crazy.

    I have been wrong in the past, I have been wrong before, I don't have a problem with being wrong

    But when someone gives a crazy statement like "We cannot prove someone to be a human"

    I think at that point if they cannot understand something as simple as that there is NO WAY they could understand anything more complex then that if they don't even think we can prove something as simple as that.

    The person thinks we cannot prove anyone on Earth is a hypocrite.....

    Even though I have literally met TONS of hypocrites who literally do the opposite of what they say they believe.

    I guess my eye balls were lying though and it was all my imagination and they really didn't do what I saw.

    Yea, I am ashamed at myself that I keep arguing about it

    Its kind of like if someone believes in the Easter Bunny and I have to debate about it, after a while I sit back and say "Wait... am I really debating if the Easter Bunny is real... why... why am I debating something that should be common sense"

    Like wise, I think I am just going to move on because apparently my own eye balls cannot tell me the truth about reality of people being a hypocrite, apparently my eyes see things but I am not allowed to state the obvious about someone that my eyes are seeing about them.

    I guess I should just take my eye balls out and never use them again since they are basically useless

    LOL

    Have fun :)
     
  15. Kenny'sID

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    Na, you convinced me to have no more to do with this one, unless someone other than present company chimes in with something interesting. :)
     
  16. rjs330

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    I think you need to take another look at the scriptures you posted. The very first verse says not to judge on appearance but to judge righteously.

    Jesus said we will know if people are true believers by their fruit. That is judging. Jesus also told us that if someone sins against us to go to them about it. That is judging. Paul tells us to watch out for false teachers. That is judging. We are also told that if a believer will not repent from sinful behavior we are to remove him from the church. That is judging.

    What we are warned against is hypocrisy and self righteousness. Don't judge other people while doing the same thing. Don't think of ourselves as better than others. Don't forget to examine ourselves. Make sure we are right with God before trying to help someone else.

    We can and should judge actions, not motivations or the heart of the individual. God judges the heart and motivation.

    Please note there are different types of judgement. There is judgement which recognizes right and wrong good and bad. And there is judging that chooses to punish. We as believers are to be wise about good and bad, right and wrong. But we are only to discipline those inside the church and not those outside the church.
     
  17. SkyWriting

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    Do not accuse others of sin...while being a sinner.

    You cannot tell me that people are aware of their own failings
    when they are being critical of others. That should be your
    number one lesson as a human. Being oblivious to ones own failings.
    You don't even need scripture to learn that lesson.
     
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    And are you fully qualified to do this?

    9What then? Are we any better? Not at all. For we have already made the charge that Jews and Greeks alike are all under sin. 10As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one;

    8 Open your mouth for the mute, For the rights of all the unfortunate.
    9 -Open your mouth,
    -judge righteously,
    -And defend the rights of the afflicted and needy.

    These three parts are all together, not seperate.

    Isaiah 11:3 And He will delight in the fear of the LORD, And He will not judge by what His eyes see, Nor make a decision by what His ears hear; 4But with righteousness He will judge the poor, And decide with fairness for the afflicted of the earth;

    Three parts together again.

    Proverbs 29:7The righteous is concerned for the rights of the poor, The wicked does not understand such concern.

    righteous judging regarding --> the poor
    righteous judging regarding --> the afflicted
    righteous judging regarding --> the orphans, widows, oppressed, strangers

    3Thus says the LORD, "Do justice and righteousness,and deliver the one who has been robbed from the power of his oppressor. Also do not mistreat or do violence to the stranger, the orphan, or the widow; and do not shed innocent blood in this place.


    Righteous judging is not anything you want it to be.
    It is about defending the oppressed.
     
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  19. SkyWriting

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    "Righteous judgment" is for the benefit of the poor and oppressed.

    Matthew 7:1-5
    “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

    Luke 6:37
    “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

    James 4:11-12
    Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

    Romans 2:1-3
    Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God?

    Matthew 7:1-2
    “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.

    John 3:17
    For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

    John 8:7
    And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”

    James 4:11
    Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.

    Matthew 7:12
    “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

    James 5:9
    Do not grumble against one another, brothers, so that you may not be judged; behold, the Judge is standing at the door.

    Proverbs 26:4
    Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself.

    Romans 14:10
    Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God;

    John 8:15
    You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one.

    Matthew 9:36
    When he saw the crowds, he had compassion for them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd.

    James 2:13
    For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

    Romans 12:3
    For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.

    John 12:47
    If anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.

    Ecclesiastes 7:20-22
    Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins. Do not take to heart all the things that people say, lest you hear your servant cursing you. Your heart knows that many times you yourself have cursed others.

    John 8:16
    Yet even if I do judge, my judgment is true, for it is not I alone who judge, but I and the Father who sent me.

    Matthew 11:19
    The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Look at him! A glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ Yet wisdom is justified by her deeds.”

    Proverbs 10:18
    The one who conceals hatred has lying lips, and whoever utters slander is a fool.

    Psalm 103:10
    He does not deal with us according to our sins, nor repay us according to our iniquities.

    Colossians 2:16-17 ESV / 6 helpful votes
    Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

    Proverbs 16:18
    Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.

    Proverbs 11:27
    Whoever diligently seeks good seeks favor, but evil comes to him who searches for it.

    Job 4:17
    ‘Can mortal man be in the right before God? Can a man be pure before his Maker?
     
  20. rjs330

    rjs330 Well-Known Member

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    Pentecostal
    Then why did Jesus tell us to? You totally missed the point of the first scripture you quoted. Read it again. Jews and Greeks are all alike under sin. We are all under sin. None are righteous. Believers however are righteous in Christ. Not in our own righteousness but the righteousness of Christ in us.

    The unbeliever is judged already. Not by us. But by God. We however can see sin in our fellow believer. We can see sin in ourselves. We can make judgements on false teaching and doctrine. So yes I am qualified as long as I self judge myself first and check my heart and motives.

    You have done what is common and that is only take portions of scripture and take them without taking all. Matthew is a prime example. What did Jesus say? First take the beam out of your eye them you can help your brother. He was speaking of hypocrisy as I stated. Check yourself first. He wasn't saying that under no circumstances are you to note fault in others.

    And yes we are to defend the needy and afflicted. No one is arguing that.
     
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