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Featured gates of what?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by W2L, Aug 25, 2017.

  1. Anguspure

    Anguspure Kaitiaki Peacemakers NZ Supporter

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    This is the "gates of hell":

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    To the pagan mind, the cave at Caesarea Philippi created a gate to the underworld, where fertility gods lived during the winter. They committed detestable acts to worship these false gods.

    Caesarea Philippi's location was especially unique because it stood at the base of a cliff where spring water flowed. At one time, the water ran directly from the mouth of a cave set in the bottom of the cliff.

    The pagans of Jesus' day commonly believed that their fertility gods lived in the underworld during the winter and returned to earth each spring. They saw water as a symbol of the underworld and thought that their gods traveled to and from that world through caves.

    To the pagan mind, then, the cave and spring water at Caesarea Philippi created a gate to the underworld. They believed that their city was literally at the gates of the underworld, the gates of hell. In order to entice the return of their god, Pan, each year, the people of Caesarea Philippi engaged in horrible deeds, including prostitution and sexual interaction between humans and goats.

    When Jesus brought his disciples to the area, they must have been shocked. Caesarea Philippi was like a red-light district in their world and devout Jews would have avoided any contact with the despicable acts committed there.

    It was a city of people eagerly knocking on the doors of hell.

    Jesus presented a clear challenge with his words at Caesarea Philippi: He didn't want his followers hiding from evil: He wanted them to storm the gates of hell.

    Standing near the pagan temples of Caesarea Philippi, Jesus asked his disciples "Who do you say that I am?" Peter boldly replied, "You are the Son of the living God." The disciples were probably stirred by the contrast between Jesus, the true and living God, and the false hopes of the pagans who trusted in "dead" gods.

    Jesus continued, "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it" (see Matt. 16:13-20).

    Though Christian traditions debate the theological meaning of those words, it seems clear that Jesus? words also had symbolic meaning. His church would be built on the "rock" of Caesarea Philippi, a rock literally filled with niches for pagan idols, where ungodly values dominated.

    Gates were defensive structures in the ancient world. By saying that the gates of hell would not overcome, Jesus suggested that those gates were going to be attacked.

    Standing as they were at a literal "Gate of Hades," the disciples may have been overwhelmed by Jesus' challenge. They had studied under their rabbi for several years, and now he was commissioning them to a huge task: to attack evil, and to build the church on the very places that were most filled with moral corruption.

    Jesus presented a clear challenge with his words at Caesarea Philippi: He didn't want his followers hiding from evil: He wanted them to storm the gates of hell. (Gates of Hell)
     
  2. W2L

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    Thank you. Interesting read.
     
  3. Galilee63

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    Thousands of Saints/Nuns of whom God our Heavenly Father mentions in His Holy Word Old Testament and His New Testament.

    Thousands of Gods Saints with their writings of Jesus Himself - directly reflect Gods Holy Scriptures, Gods Holy Word.

    As you say, keep on reading Gods Holy Word/Holy Scriptures, our Divine Holy Word, pray to Jesus Holy Spirit God for Holy Spirit to illuminate hearts souls and minds more continually, repent sins to Jesus as Jesus requests in His New Testament "Repent and Believe in The Good News" and continue to receive Him in His Holy Blessed Sacraments - most of all Love Jesus God Holy Spirit and our Blessed Holy Mother with all our hearts, all of our souls, all of our strength and Trust in Jesus completely daily receiving Jesus into our hearts and tell Jesus I Love You, I Trust in You giving Jesus as much time as possible and praying for Holy Reparation of His Blessed Holy Sacred Heart and praying for Holy Reparation of our Blessed Virgin Mother Marys Holy Immaculate Heart.

    The Catholic Saints prayed, offered up, sacrificed for Jesus God Hoy Spirit and Holy Mother Mary and for the world at large whom all benefited from their Prayers and Sacrifices...in Jesus God Holy Spirit and our Heavenly Holy Mother Mary spreading Gods Holy Word, doing the works of Mercy with compassion in their hearts, all indescribably rewarded in Heaven with God our Heavenly Divine Majesty.
     
  4. W2L

    W2L Well-Known Member

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    Thank you. Do you have an opinion on the gates of hades?
     
  5. OrthodoxyUSA

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    What if, from the EO pov, its all metaphoric.

    So that the sentence alludes to the fact that "The Church" is indestructible. The gates of hades being the entrance of decomposition.

    Forgive me...
     
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  6. W2L

    W2L Well-Known Member

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    I dont know
     
  7. OrthodoxyUSA

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    For the EO hell is being in front of the ever burning fire of God with our sins burning. Not a seperate "place".

    We are eternal either way.

    Forgive me...
     
  8. W2L

    W2L Well-Known Member

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    ok.
     
  9. OrthodoxyUSA

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  10. OrthodoxyUSA

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    Most of what comes to mind today is the hell described in Dante's Inferno.

    It's really hard to put those images down once they have been em-brazened on our minds.

    Forgive me...
     
  11. LittleLambofJesus

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    I don't know which of these 2 have the scariest version of hell, Islam or Christianity. I vote Islam [tho their hell does have food in it].....

    Does Islam Believe in Hell?

    Muslims Believe in Hell
    We all know Christians believe in hell. According to Christianity, people who disobey God and who don’t accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior will go to hell when they die. This is common knowledge. But what about in Islam? Do Muslims also believe in hell just like Christians do?

    Yes, Muslims also believe in hell just the way Christians do except that their concept of hell is a little bit different from that of Christians in the sense that they believe that for some sinners hell isn’t a permanent place of suffering as many Christians see it. According to Muslims, the punishment that certain sinners receive in hell is temporary in the sense that these sinners don’t stay in hell forever. Certain sinners will be set free from hell and brought to paradise after paying for the sins they committed while on Earth.......................

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    Food in Hell (Jahannam)
    There is food in hell. According to the Quran, there are only three sources of food in hell. But these foods are so terrible that it is better to stay away from them no matter how much one is starving simply because they are only going to worsen a sinner's torment. The sources of food in hell are:
     
  12. Bible2+

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    It's the current, temporary hell.

    That is, there are two literal hells, one temporary and one eternal. The temporary hell, called Hades in Greek (Luke 16:23) and Sheol in Hebrew (Psalms 86:13), is where the souls of non-Christians go when they die, and where they're tormented by flame (Luke 16:23-24). Before Jesus Christ's first coming, Hades was also where the souls of saved people went when they died, but the part of Hades for the saved was a place of comfort (Luke 16:25).

    After Jesus Christ fulfilled the Gospel by suffering and dying for our sins on the Cross and rising physically from the dead on the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4), He went down into Hades and preached the fulfillment of the Gospel to the souls there (1 Peter 3:19; 1 Peter 4:6), and then drew the souls of obedient believers there who had died in faith (Hebrews 11:13) up with Him when He ascended into heaven (Ephesians 4:8-9, Hebrews 12:22-24). Since then, the souls of obedient Christians go directly into heaven to be with Jesus when they die (Philippians 1:21,23; 2 Corinthians 5:8, Revelation 6:9-11).

    At Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming, He will bring with Him from heaven the souls of all obedient Christians who have ever died (1 Thessalonians 4:14), and their bodies will be physically resurrected into immortality at that time (1 Thessalonians 4:16; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,52-53). They will then reign on the earth with Jesus for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29). After the 1,000 years and subsequent events (Revelation 20:7-10), all non-Christians of all times will be physically resurrected out of Hades and judged (Revelation 20:12-13), and then cast into the eternal hell, called the lake of fire (Revelation 20:15, Revelation 21:8), where they will be tormented along with Satan and his fallen angels in fire and brimstone forever (Matthew 25:41,46, Revelation 20:10,15, Revelation 14:10-11). This eternal hell is also called Gehenna in Greek (Luke 12:5, Mark 9:45-46) and Tophet in Hebrew (Isaiah 30:33).

    Tophet was also the name of a place in ancient times called the valley of Hinnom (2 Kings 23:10), just outside the southern wall of Jerusalem (Joshua 15:8). "Gehenna" literally means "the valley (ge) of Hinnom". Just as the ancient Tophet/Gehenna was outside the wall of ancient Jerusalem, so the eternal Gehenna, the lake of fire, will be just outside one wall of New Jerusalem (Revelation 22:15, Revelation 21:8) on the future, New Earth (Revelation 21:1-8). Christians will go forth from New Jerusalem to witness the eternal torment of non-Christians in the lake of fire (Isaiah 66:24, Mark 9:46, Matthew 25:41,46, Revelation 20:10,15, Revelation 14:10-11).
     
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    The idea (put forth by some) that "Hades" is nothing more than Greek mythology, is a mistaken idea. For the original Greek text of Matthew 16:18 uses the word "Hades" (translated in the KJV as "hell"). And Matthew 16:18 isn't referring to Greek mythology, but to what Jesus Himself taught.

    Regarding what Jesus meant by Matthew 16:18, it's often assumed He meant the Church can't be physically overcome by evil forces. But this isn't what Matthew 16:18 means. For just as Roman emperors and Satan were allowed to physically overcome Christians in the 1st century AD (e.g. Revelation 2:10), so during the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") will prevail physically against Christians (not in hiding) in every nation (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4, Matthew 24:9-13), and there are no Christians outside of the Church (Ephesians 4:4-6).

    Instead, Matthew 16:18 meant the literal gates of Hades wouldn't prevail against the "rock" in Matthew 16:18, which is Jesus Christ Himself (Matthew 16:16b,18b), the rock/stone on whom the Church/New Covenant Israel is built (Ephesians 2:20, Matthew 16:18b; 1 Peter 2:6), the rock/stone who was rejected and crucified (Romans 9:33, Acts 4:11; 1 Peter 2:4,8), the same rock/Christ who followed Old Covenant Israel/the church in the wilderness (1 Corinthians 10:4-5, cf. Acts 7:38), and the same rock/Christ revered by New Covenant Israel/the Church (1 Peter 2:4-10).

    That is, Matthew 16:18 was prophesying of when the literal gates of Hades wouldn't prevail against Jesus Christ (Psalms 107:16), when, after His physical resurrection, He went down and liberated the souls of the dead Old Testament believers from Hades (1 Peter 4:6; 1 Peter 3:18c-19, Ephesians 4:8-9, Hebrews 11:13-16, Hebrews 12:22-24).
     
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    That's right.

    For only the physical bodies of the dead in their graves are euphemistically "asleep" (1 Thessalonians 4:13; 1 Corinthians 15:18,51). And only their dead, physical brains are without any thoughts (Ecclesiastes 9:5, Psalms 6:5, Psalms 115:17, Isaiah 38:18a). For the soul is distinct from the body (1 Thessalonians 5:23). And the soul can remain alive even when the body is dead (Matthew 10:28a). And the soul can remain conscious outside of the body, whether the body is still alive (2 Corinthians 12:2-4) or has died (Revelation 6:9-10).

    So the souls of the dead remain conscious, either in heaven with Jesus Christ (2 Corinthians 5:8, Philippians 1:21,23, Revelation 6:9-10, Luke 23:43,46, Acts 3:21) or in fiery punishment in Hades (Luke 16:22-24). At Jesus' future, Second Coming, He will bring with Him from heaven all the souls of all obedient Christians who have ever died (1 Thessalonians 4:14). And they will descend to the earth where the graves of their bodies are, and their bodies will be physically resurrected into immortality at that time (1 Thessalonians 4:16; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,52-53, Revelation 20:4-6).

    Sometime after the subsequent Millennium and Gog/Magog rebellion (Revelation 20:7-10, Ezekiel chapters 38-39) the souls in Hades will be physically resurrected, judged and cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:12-15), which is the second death (Revelation 21:8). This will be the death of both their resurrected bodies and their souls (Matthew 10:28). And yet, even though they will be dead in both body and soul, their spirits, which are distinct from their bodies and souls (1 Thessalonians 5:23), will remain conscious, and will suffer along with the spirits of Satan and his fallen angels forever (Revelation 20:10,15, Revelation 14:10-11, Matthew 25:41,46, Mark 9:45b-46, Isaiah 66:24).

    Also, the future, eternal, conscious suffering of all non-Christians mustn't be considered as eternal life, but as an eternal, conscious, ongoing, second death (Revelation 21:8, Revelation 20:10,15, Revelation 14:10-11, Mark 9:45b-46).
     
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    Note these aren't mutually exclusive. For God is in every place. For:

    Psalms 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

    Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
    10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
    11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
     
  16. W2L

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    That sounds complicated. Could you give me the short answer?
     
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