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Galatians 1:6-9 Comments

Discussion in 'Christian Scriptures' started by Sola1517, Nov 14, 2017.

  1. Sola1517

    Sola1517 Regenerated Wretch

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    Turning away from grace can sometimes be done without thinking about it. The way that the Devil first tempted Eve was not to make her aware of his intentions, thus deceiving her. Turning away from grace is done via deception even if it is done intentionally. It is possible to deceive oneself about what one really wants. And usually the idea of what we think we want is built on a shaky theology. (v.6) Having a shaky theology means that your beliefs are similar to the truth, but not based on the truth. Having a strong theology means that you base your beliefs on the Scriptures and what they say rather than what someone taught you when you were 7 years old. It also means experiencing God. (v.7) Paul even goes as far as to say don't trust his message because he can be deceived. Evil never looks evil, that is, until your stuck in it. And it is real easy to be deceived into thinking you know it all as a Christian. Yet Peter and Paul, who probably knew more about Jesus than any of us, (one of them) admitted that they can screw up the message sometimes. If Paul can get deceived, we really don't need to be conceited about who we are. (v.8) Sometimes the ability to do theology gets in the way of the main. point. (v.9)
     
  2. Neal of Zebulun

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    I like your idea. You've inspired me to do comments too:

    Galatians 1:
    (6) Paul is disappointed that the congregation has so quickly introduced non-Christian beliefs in their practice. They didn't meet his expectations.​

    (7) the non-Christian teachings are based off the Scripture, but they are incorrect. The clique that initiated the false teaching has perverted the entire congregation​

    (8) Paul reminds them of a past prayer they made: let anyone, even an angel be cursed for doing what the clique has done​

    (9) he repeats the prayer in the letter itself, to emphasize that the clique must unquestionably be purged​
     
  3. Michael Collum

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    An example I can think of like this is turning grace into a law. The premise is contradictory of what it is teaching.
     
  4. Radagast

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    Your explanation doesn't seem to match what I read in my Bible:

    I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse! (Galatians 1:6-9)
     
  5. discipler7

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    GALATIANS.1:8-9 does not say what you said. ...
    " 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed."

    GAL.1:6-9 is very much related to the Judaizer controversy or "the other gospel" at GAL.2:11-16 ...
    No Return to the Law
    11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. 13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.

    14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews? 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
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    At that time, the early Jewish Christians still attended Jewish synagogues and the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, to worship God together with the Jews. Since the early Jewish Christians still kept Moses Law, there was no controversy.

    But when Paul began bringing new Gentile Christians into the Jewish synagogues, there began the controversy of whether the new Gentile Christians should be required to keep Moses Law. Paul was against this Judaizing requirement, as per GAL.2:11-16.

    This controversy was settled at ACTS.15:24-29 where the new Gentile Christians were exempted from any law of Moses which was a burden, eg circumcision. IOW, they were still required to keep any law which was not a burden, esp morality laws, eg the Ten Commandments at EXODUS.20.
    ... As implied by MATTHEW.19:23, this would enable the new Gentile Christians to be law-abiding and optimize their remaining time on earth towards a better and longer life and finally be saved from hell through faith when they die or leave this rotten earth.

    The Jews today still wrongly believe that they will be saved from hell(= go to heaven) by just believing in YHWH/G_d and keeping Moses Law.
     
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  6. Doug Melven

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    How do you get that they were required to keep the 10 commandments out of these verses.
    Acts 15:28-29
    For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
    15:29
    That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
     
  7. Soyeong

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    In Psalms 119:29, David asked God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His Law, in Mark 4:17-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent from our sins for the Kingdom of God is at hand, in 1 John 3:4, sin is defined as the transgression of the Law, in Jude 1:4, the ungodly pervert God's grace into a license to sin, and in Romans 1:5, we have received grace in order to bring about the obedience that faith requires, so an example of teaching a different gospel would be to teach that because of God's grace we have a license to disobey God's Law.
     
  8. Soyeong

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    The problem is that you are not distinguishing between what is said about God's Law and what is said about man's works of law. In Deuteronomy 30:11-14, God said that what He commanded was not too difficult, but that His word is near us, in our hearts, and in our mouth so that we can obey it and Romans 10:5-8, it quotes this passage in regard to what our faith says, so to say that any of God's commands are too burdensome to obey is to call God a liar and to deny what our faith says. In 1 John 5:3, it says that to love God is to keep His commands and confirms that God's commands are not burdensome, so it is only the commands of men that were being taught as God's commands that were burdensome and to tell Gentiles not to obey any of God's commands is the equivalent of saying that they should not love God.

    For example, God never command all Gentiles to become circumcised in order to become saved, and while He did command all Jews to become circumcised, not even they were required to do so in order to become saved, so if God did not require it, then it is therefore man-made requirement. For example, in Acts 10:28, Peter referred to a law that forbade Jews from visiting or associating with Gentiles, but God never commanded this and it is actually contrary to God's commands, so it is therefore man's law. It was these man-made works of law that Peter was obeying in Galatians 2:11-16 when he stopped visiting or associating with the Gentiles, which is why Paul immediately reiterated that we are not saved by these works of law, but by faith. So the problem with the Judaizers was not that they were teaching people to obey what our God has commanded, but that they were wanting to require Gentiles to obey their own works of law in order to become saved.
     
  9. Soyeong

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    There is 1,050 commands in the NT, so to treat those four commands as an exhaustive list of everything that would ever be required of mature Gentile believers would be to disregard over 99% of the commands in the NT, including all of those instructed by Jesus. However, as stated, it was only intended as a list to not make things too difficult for new believers who were coming to faith, which they excused by saying that they would continue to learn what would be required of them by hearing Moses taught every Sabbath in the synagogues (Acts 21:19-21).
     
  10. discipler7

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    1CORINTHIANS.6: = 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
    11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
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    For most new Gentile Christians, ACTS.15:28-29 is the starting point of them being born-again of the Spirit, ie born-again as spiritual babes.(1COR.3:1-3) They should slowly grow to spiritual adults by feeding on the Word of God or Bread of Life = learn to keep any law of Moses which is not a burden, eg the Ten Commandments at EXO.20.

    P S - Non-growing spiritual babes are easily devoured by the roaring devil and may risk losing their salvation, eg 1COR.5:5.
     
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  11. Doug Melven

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    The question was how do you get that we are supposed to keep unburdensome laws out of Acts 15?
    Going to 1 Cor 6 does not answer the question.
    In Acts 15 the Apostles say to keep from fornication, from things strangled and from blood, Just these necessary burdens. No other burdens are implied here, no matter how light.
    As for 1 Cor 6:9, saints are not unrighteous or fornicators, or adulterers, or homosexuals, or sodomites, or covetous, or drunkards, or revilers or extortioners. We may have been in the past, but now we are new creations.
    We have been justified and made righteous apart from doing any good deed. Why would doing a bad deed take away what Christ did?
    Now you will probably say, if that's true, why don't I just go live in sin? God forbid, how shall we that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
     
  12. Ron Gurley

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    In Galations 1, Paul is defending his ministry.

    In Galations 2. Paul recounts his role in the new "church" counsel and conflicts with Peter.

    In Galations 3. Paul weighs the role of spririt-led FAITH / BELIEF contrasted with keeping Mosaic Law / works for salvation.

    In Galations 4. Paul discusses sonship and freedom IN Christ.

    In Galations 5. Paul commands believers to walk in the Spirit. He contrasts the ungodly deeds of unsaved man with the fruits of the Spirit.

    In Galations 6. Paul instructs believers how to relate to "One Another".
     
  13. Steve Petersen

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    There is the notion in Judaism that Jews gain a place in the world to come by the merits of the patriarchs and matriarchs of Israel:

    The Rabbis, despite their commitment to the value of human deeds, were also certain that God’s mercy was nearly unlimited. Hence they taught that ‘‘all Israelites have a share in the world to come’’ (BT Sanh 10.i). Even sinners among the Jewish People are ultimately redeemed as a result of God’s love. This most divine response may also be understood as one of the consequences of the doctrine of zechut avot (the merit of the Fathers [Patriarchs]), which teaches that this patriarchal merit helpfully operates to the benefit of their descendants. Thus, even sinners within the Jewish People are not wholly devoid of. - MAN, SIN, AND REDEMPTION IN RABBINIC JUDAISM
     
  14. discipler7

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    ACTS.15: = 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols(from EXODUS.20:3-5), from blood(from LEV.17:14), from things strangled(same as for LEVITICUS.17:14), and from sexual immorality(from DEUT.22:15- ).

    1CORINTHIANS.6: = Neither fornicators(from DEUT.22:15- ), nor idolaters(from EXODUS.20:3-5), nor adulterers(from EXO.20:14), nor homosexuals(from LEV.18:22), nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves(from EXO.20:15), nor covetous(from EXO.20:17), nor drunkards(from LEV.10:9), nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

    GALATIANS.5: =
    19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery(from DEUT.18:9-14), hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders(from EXO.20:13), drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
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    Those 4 light "burdens" at ACTS.15 given by God/the Spirit, were also part of Moses Law/commandments which new Gentile Christians were required to keep in order to be saved. These Old Testament commandments could be considered as minimum requirements for new Gentile Christians to be saved, on top of the other more vital requirement for faith in Jesus Christ.
    ... But as these new Gentile Christians became older, the minimum requirement would have increased, as per 1COR.6 and GAL.5.
    ... The key point here is "lay upon you no greater burden", eg it is wrong and unloving to require new Gentile Christians to immediately keep all of Moses Law or all the laws of Moses which are not burdensome.

    In comparison, new Jewish Christians were required by God to continue to keep Moses Law because it was not a burden to them, eg Jesus Christ, Paul, Peter and John kept Moses Law like their former fellow Jews. This requirement to keep Moses Law was on top of the other more vital requirement for faith in Jesus Christ. Hence, ...
    MATTHEW.19: = Jesus Counsels the Rich Young Ruler
    16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
    17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
    18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
    Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
    20 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”
    21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
    22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
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    REVELATION.22: = Jesus Testifies to the Churches
    12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

    14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

    16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”

    17 And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.
     
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