G7 Leaders worried about an increasingly erratic Donald Trump

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They should be scared. And should give Trump everything he asks for.

Last meeting, they ignored his bluster and demands, and he just went home and sulked. But he's gotten a lot crazier since then. When he "hereby ordered" American businesses to cut business ties with China, that was an escalation of weirdness.

The declining economy seems to have him extremely disturbed; if that goes, his election chances are probably gone with it. And he knows that the day he leaves office, he then becomes indictable, just like anyone else.
 
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Last meeting, they ignored his bluster and demands, and he just went home and sulked. But he's gotten a lot crazier since then. When he "hereby ordered" American businesses to cut business ties with China, that was an escalation of weirdness.

The declining economy seems to have him extremely disturbed; if that goes, his election chances are probably gone with it. And he knows that the day he leaves office, he then becomes indictable, just like anyone else.

(shrugs) I don't remember him going home and sulking. I remember in 2017 people having a fit over the exit of the Climate Accord, and in 2018 he wanted a Trade deal with Canada. Why sulk if you got the trade deal, and you didn't pay for something you didn't agree with? Do I approve of the tactics? Yeah - not so much.

Business seems to be leaving China - with or without his statement. I don't understand why they would want to do business with that country to begin with. You are required to hand over secrets, and on the other hand they know they will steal them anyways. You are enabling communism by being there to begin with.

A friend of mine that retired years prior had to deal with China flooding the market with inferior steel. She was a buyer, and still is no fan of Trump by any means. The steel industry could see what they were doing, and they attempted to ruin - and pretty much did - more premium steel materials by manipulating things. She hates him with every fiber of her being, but rallied that call of manipulation due to her experience. Steel wasn't the only industry of course, but no one ever stepped in. I thought that was our governments job?! When another government is harming our country it should be their priority to protect us.

Yes, some parts of his approach it will hurt in the short term. Sadly. You don't think industry will move to other countries if they rely on the US for business? Heck even Schumer is rallying this call. I don't understand besides cheap labor what the draw was to begin with. With a authoritarian and totalitarian approach it can never end good. I guess they were looking towards short term gains. (Shrugs) That will bite them now!

I don't see the declining economy either. The market goes up and down all the time. I haven't seen sure signs of recession so far. I realize it would be wishful thinking. Yet, that is sad because it would cost many so much. In the ideal world the ones that are hoping for it should be the ones that it hurts the most, since they don't seem to care about the ones that it would effect.

It should be interesting regarding the indictment part I agree. They haven't found anything for impeachment - not saying they dont preach every day - but nothing of substance. The government can out fiance most of us, but I don't see that happening when he leaves office either to cop a plea like many have done in history. Yeah - that doesn't include just recently either.
 
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Wasn't this the first thing the Trump haters came out with when he first took office that he was unstable :scratch: Looks like we're on a merry go round of insinuations and accusations and are back at the beginning :doh:

I really wish they would come up with something new this is all getting kinda boring to say the least :yawn:
 
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in 2018 he wanted a Trade deal with Canada. Why sulk if you got the trade deal

In 2018 he had a trade deal with Canada and Mexico --- NAFTA. After months of bluster and threats Trump got his way. The new free trade deal has a new name (USMCA)and almost nothing else changed.
 
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Wasn't this the first thing the Trump haters came out with when he first took office that he was unstable :scratch: Looks like we're on a merry go round of insinuations and accusations and are back at the beginning :doh:
He is unstable and has shown that he's getting more so. So we were right. Thanks for pointing it out. :wave:

I really wish they would come up with something new this is all getting kinda boring to say the least :yawn:
...shouldn't he start being less unstable before we start pointing out all the other things he's bad at? :scratch:
tulc(just a thought) :sorry:
 
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Wasn't this the first thing the Trump haters came out with when he first took office that he was unstable :scratch: Looks like we're on a merry go round of insinuations and accusations and are back at the beginning :doh:

I really wish they would come up with something new this is all getting kinda boring to say the least :yawn:

Isn't there a term for someone who does the same thing over and over expecting a different result? :doh:.........Got it, their Democrats! :oldthumbsup:
 
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In 2018 he had a trade deal with Canada and Mexico --- NAFTA. After months of bluster and threats Trump got his way. The new free trade deal has a new name (USMCA)and almost nothing else changed.
As the world's largest economy, America has a long history of "bullying" its smaller neighbors like Canada and Mexico whom it has never considered as equals!

It's a totally different story, however, when Trump tries to use these same tactics against the world's 2 other major economic powers, China and the European Union - both of whom refuse to be intimidated!
 
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Did we ever find out if China actually did call him? According to Trump, China called a couple of times, and they had a great conversation. Only problem is that China says they didn't call! Probably China called in Trumps dreams... or nightmares.:sorry:
 
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As the world's largest economy, America has a long history of "bullying" its neighbors like Canada and Mexico whom it has never considered as equals!

It's a totally different story, however, when Trump tries to use these same tactics against the world's 2 other major economic powers, China and the European Union - both of whom refuse to be intimidated!

Is this the Intimidation you speak of?

To make timid or frightened; scare
To discourage, restrain, or silence Illegally or Unscrupulously, as by Threats or Blackmail...............Dict.com

What has Trump done that is Illegal or Unscrupulous with regard to China or the European Union?

Sorry, your going to have to find a different vilification for what he has done.

Oh, lets try this, "Level the Playing Field"..............Better right? :oldthumbsup:
 
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Isn't there a term for someone who does the same thing over and over expecting a different result? :doh:
...sounds like the Republicans to me. :wave:

.........Got it, their Democrats! :oldthumbsup:
...who's Democrats? :scratch:
tulc(is just wondering) :)
 
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Is this the Intimidation you speak of?

To make timid or frightened; scare
To discourage, restrain, or silence Illegally or Unscrupulously, as by Threats or Blackmail...............Dict.com

What has Trump done that is Illegal or Unscrupulous with regard to China or the European Union?

Sorry, your going to have to find a different vilification for what he has done.

Oh, lets try this, "Level the Playing Field"..............Better right? :oldthumbsup:
Given that the Mueller Report served as a reminder that short of being impeached, a "sitting" President cannot be charged with breaking the law while still in office makes your self-serving definition of "intimidation" redundant!


Not only does Trump attempt to "intimidate" the leadership of other nations, he uses the same tactics to create a climate of fear amongst congressional Republicans - those few members of the GOP who have actually criticized this President publically have either already chosen to leave office at the end of their term or they can expect "The Donald" to endorse another, more "loyal" GOP candidate to oust them in the Republican Primaries (ie. Mark Sanford).
 
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Given that the Mueller Report served as a reminder that short of being impeached, a "sitting" President cannot be charged with breaking the law while still in office makes your self-serving definition of "intimidation" redundant!

Sorry, you can't say that Sparky, your the one who incorrectly used the word, I was just giving you the proper Definition according to the Dictionary, and not yours.

Besides when you don't know what it is your talking about, it's best to keep quiet.

Besides given that the trumped up charges rendered a verdict, No Obstruction No Collusion, that summed it up for what we need to know about what the Democrats have been trying to do since 2015.
 
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Sorry, you can't say that Sparky, your the one who incorrectly used the word, I was just giving you the proper Definition according to the Dictionary, and not yours.

Besides when you don't know what it is your talking about, it's best to keep quiet.

Besides given that the trumped up charges rendered a verdict, No Obstruction No Collusion, that summed it up for what we need to know about what the Democrats have been trying to do since 2015.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/12/what-is-collusion-215366
If "JIMINZ" really knew what he was talking about, he would already know that "collusion" is not recognized as a crime in America, and therefore any claim by Trump that the Mueller Report absolves him of a "non-crime! only reinforces his contempt for the intelligence of his supporters!

As for "obstruction," Mueller cited 10 different examples and stated that he could not absolve this President of that crime - he was, however, unwilling to charge Trump because under the Department of Justice guidelines, a "sitting" president cannot be prosecute4d until after he leaves office!

Upwards of a 1000 lawyers and legal scholars agreed that based on the evidence presented by the Mueller Report, they would have no difficulty charging and convicting Trump if he wasn't protected by the DOJ!
 
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If "JIMINZ" knew what he was talking about, he would know that "collusion" is not recognized as a crime in America, and therefore any claim by Trump that the Mueller Report absolves him of a "non-crime! only reinforces his contempt for the intelligence of his supporters!

As for "obstruction," Mueller cited 10 different examples and stated that he could not absolve this President of that crime - he was, however, unwilling to charge Trump because under the Department of Justice guidelines, a "sitting" president cannot be prosecute4d until after he leaves office!

Upwards of a 1000 lawyers and legal scholars agreed that based on the evidence presented by the Mueller Report, they would have no difficulty charging and convicting Trump if he wasn't protected by the DOJ!


Hey there

Just how many of those hot shot Lawyers were Democrats?

You know full well everything your talking about is a bold faced lie,
we will see who get indited, it won't be Trump. even when he does leave the Office of the President of the United States of America, in 2025.

 
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"Collusion is not a federal crime (except in the unique case of antitrust law), so we should all just stop using “collusion” as a short-hand for criminality."
- Paul Rosenzweig is former deputy assistant secretary for policy at the Department of Homeland Security

Collusion ‘doesn’t accurately describe either the criminal and counterintelligence aspects of what we know’
- Asha Rangappa is an associate dean at Yale Law School and a former special agent in the Counterintelligence Division of the FBI.

It was the fake legal analysis by Fox News in June—claiming that “collusion” with a foreign government violated no law—that prompted me to look. Surely Fox knows it fooled only fools. Collusion is the descriptive word the news media has settled on to cover many potential illegal actions by the Trump campaign, which could range from aiding and abetting (18 USC 2) to conspiracy per se (18 USC 371) to conspiring to violate several potentially applicable laws like: 18 USC 1030—fraud and related activity in connection with computers; 18 USC 1343—wire fraud; or 52 USC 30121—contributions and donations by foreign nationals. Also, 18 USC 2381—to aid and comfort” to our enemies ... better known as treason.
- John W. Dean was Richard Nixon’s White House counsel. He served a four-month sentence for his role in Watergate.

Although “collusion” is a word that has been thrown around a lot lately, it doesn’t have any specific legal meaning. What matters legally is whether someone in the Trump campaign joined a conspiracy, aided and abetted a crime, or actively concealed a crime. None of these legal concepts is complicated. A conspiracy is just a legal term for an agreement to commit a crime
- Renato Mariotti is a former federal prosecutor who handled many obstruction cases.

Finally, it is good to keep in mind that there is no crime of “collusion” in the federal code. The applicable crime is conspiracy under 18 USC Sec. 371. That would cover a conspiracy by two or more persons to violate a law of the United States or “to defraud the United States.”
- Laurie L. Levenson is professor of law and David W. Burcham chair of ethical advocacy at Loyola Law School. She was formerly an assistant U.S. attorney in Los Angeles.

What Is Collusion? Is It Even a Crime?
 
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If "JIMINZ" really knew what he was talking about, he would already know that "collusion" is not recognized as a crime in America, and therefore any claim by Trump that the Mueller Report absolves him of a "non-crime! only reinforces his contempt for the intelligence of his supporters!

Sorry there, JIMINZ does know what he is talking about, but he didn't think it was necessary to SPELL it out for you, he gave you the benefit of the doubt, but I guess he was wrong wasn't he.

Collusion is not a Crime never was, so what was the underhanded reason Meuller used it, was it a disparaging remark to keep the big ball of smelly stuff rolling down the hill?
 
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Sorry there, JIMINZ does know what he is talking about, but he didn't think it was necessary to SPELL it out for you, he gave you the benefit of the doubt, but I guess he was wrong wasn't he.

Collusion is not a Crime never was, so what was the underhanded reason Meuller used it, was it a disparaging remark to keep the big ball of smelly stuff rolling down the hill?
How "Collusion" Appears in the Mueller Report | emptywheel
 
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Sorry there, JIMINZ does know what he is talking about, but he didn't think it was necessary to SPELL it out for you, he gave you the benefit of the doubt, but I guess he was wrong wasn't he.

Collusion is not a Crime never was, so what was the underhanded reason Meuller used it, was it a disparaging remark to keep the big ball of smelly stuff rolling down the hill?
underhanded reason Meuller used it

a disparaging remark

keep the big ball of smelly stuff rolling down the hill

"JIMINZ," in his infinite wisdom, chooses to make false accusations against the author of "THE MUELLER REPORT" and despite the claim that he "does know what he is talking about" it is painfully obvious that he didn't even got as far as PAGE 2!

Mueller is so determined to make the point clear that he dedicated an entire section to saying he was not investigating “collusion.”

On page 2 of the Report, Mueller explains that he was investigating "conspiracy" and not “collusion,” because the latter is not considered a crime!
 
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