Future New World Order One World Government...in the Bible?

Is a future NWO biblical?

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jerry kelso

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There is only one Scriptural answer to my questions in the previous post.

If anyone believes that any of Jewish DNA, religion, or culture are sufficient to qualify any individual as one of God's Chosen People, without the need for faith and obedience in and to His Son; then they are proclaiming the counterfeit gospel of the Galatian judaizers.

Paul's description of it, and those who proclaim it, can be found in Galatians 1:6-9.

God is not a racist, notwithstanding dispensationalism's incessant attempts to turn Him into one.

jgr,

1. Do you ever read my posts?

2. I have always said that Israel’s gifts and callings according to the Abrahamic and Davidic covenants are unconditional but conditioned by faith and obedience unto salvation.
Technically, this would be one reason they couldn’t receive the kingdom.
Two, Christ had not died yet so the NC had not happened yet.
Three, they were prophesied only that they would reject Christ.
The proclamation of the KoH was valid otherwise Christ would not have offered it Matthew 4:17.

3. God is not a racist and neither are dispensationalists.
Israel had the covenants etc. and the gentiles did not. They were the light of the world and salt of the earth and gentiles were proselytized into Judaism to become saved.
Their rejection is why the gentiles were given the spiritual KoG and became the spiritual nation bringing forth fruit according to Matthew.
When the Jews come back to God in the time of Jacob’s trouble the nation of Israel will be at the head of the nations and the nations shall flow into it.

4. The reason for their position in the kingdom is because God gave them the laws forever to operate a physical nation as well as spiritual.
It doesn’t mean the nation is superior to the church.
You are wrong again and way out on a limb scripturally. Jerry Kelso
 
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Also, the nations shall flow into Israel in the millennial kingdom not the church.


Your attempts to keep Israel and the Church separate fall apart in Acts of the Apostles 2:36, and Romans 11:1-5, and Galatians 3:16-29, and James 1:1-3, and multiple other passages.


Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.

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Your attempts to keep Israel and the Church separate fall apart in Acts of the Apostles 2:36, and Romans 11:1-5, and Galatians 3:16-29, and James 1:1-3, and multiple other passages.


Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.

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baberean2,

1. The church age and the millennial kingdom age are two different ages.

2. The nation of Israel is backslidden right now for many of them are atheists. They will be in the time of Jacob’s trouble Matthew 24:15-21.
They will accept Christ as a nation in the millennial kingdom Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:7-12.
They will be a nation born in one day when Zion travails and brings forth her children Isaiah 66:6-7,8-9 etc.

3. There is no separation of Israel and the church when all the nation are saved Romans 11:25-29.
The remnant will be saved but so will the rest of Israel in the wilderness Revelation 12:13-16 with Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:7-13.

4. The difference is that Israel will have it’s own land and David as King and it’s posterity to inherit that land. Ezekiel 37:24-25. Do you deny this?
They will also be at the head of the nations Isaiah 2:1-4 and the nations will flow into it Zechariah 14 Do you deny this?
Do you deny that Israel has an eternal covenant unconditional according to 2 Samuel 7:13-16; 1 Chronicles 28:1-8?
Answer these questions. Jerry Kelso
 
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Israel had the covenants

1 Kings 19
18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.

Which Israel had the covenants?

The faithful and obedient minority within Israel who had not bowed to Baal?

Or the unfaithful and disobedient remaining majority within Israel who had bowed to Baal?
 
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1 Kings 19
18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.

Which Israel had the covenants?

The faithful and obedient minority within Israel who had not bowed to Baal?

Or the unfaithful and disobedient remaining majority within Israel who had bowed to Baal?
This happened BEFORE the two Kingdoms separated.
There was and still is, two Houses; Judah and Israel. Judah is the people who rejected and killed Jesus and who remain apostate today.
Israel are the people Jesus came to save; Matthew 21:43. His mission was successful and we Christians are the result; Israelites by grafting in AND in most cases, by descent as well.

The belief of a general Jewish redemption is wrong and unscriptural, it will never happen. Isaiah 22:14, Romans 9:27
 
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1 Kings 19
18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.

Which Israel had the covenants?

The faithful and obedient minority within Israel who had not bowed to Baal?

Or the unfaithful and disobedient remaining majority within Israel who had bowed to Baal?

jgr,

1. The nation of Israel had the covenants from Abraham to Jesus death whether they were obedient or disobedient.

2. Israel’s gifts and callings in the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants were unconditional, eternal but based on the whole nation being saved after the church age. Romans 11:26
Romans 11:11: Have they stumbled that they should fall?
God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come to the gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
History shows Israel had been trodden down under the feet of men Matthew 5:13 and rejected Jesus in his ministry Matthew 23:37-39. They stumbled and fell there too.
Romans was written before 70 A.D.
So the first part question; have they stumbled that they should fall was no. Why? Because of the unconditional, eternal covenant conditioned by obedience.
That is why the gentiles grafted in was and is supposed to provoke them to jealousy so they will come back to God as a holy nation and fulfill their eternal covenants.
The Jewish remnant is to preserve the nation’s lineage and existence.

3. Paul said God had not cast away his people. He was talking about the nation not just a remnant. Do you deny this?
Paul said he was an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin which is a reference to the nation of Israel not just a remnant of Jews. Do you deny this?
V2; God hath not cast away his people whom he foreknew.
God foreknew the nation of Israel not just a remnant of Jews. Do you deny this?
Vs. 2b-4 gives the example of Elijah’s day of a remnant of 7000 that wouldn’t bow their knee to Baal.
At the time Paul wrote this he had already left the Jews to concentrate on the gentiles.
But still God had a remnant of grace and they had obtained salvation but the rest of the nation were blinded v7-10.
V10 is a reference to Psalm 69:22 by David.
David said that there loins should continually shake in Psalms.
In Romans Paul wrote let their eyes be darkened that they might not see and bow down their back alway.
God would not forget Israel forever v11-29.

4. The covenants have not been fulfilled with the remnant because we are in the church age which is the dispensation of Grace Ephesians 2:1-5-21. Do you deny this?
It will be fulfilled in the end of the tribulation and that goes into the millennial kingdom with Israel in the wilderness Revelation 12:13-16; and the remnant Revelation 12:27 and 11:13; Revelation 1:7; Romans 11:25-29. Do you deny this?

5. The conclusion is that the covenants have always belonged to Israel.
However, they have never been completely fulfilled in connection with their gifts and callings in the Abraham’s and Davidic Covenants. Do you deny this?
The reason you will never acknowledge this is because you won’t admit that the Church age and our purpose and destiny is different than Israel’s purpose and destiny in the millennial kingdom age.
You want to deny this because you believe the millennial kingdom is now.
The Davidic and Abraham both have the component of grace Romans’ 4:1-6.
That doesn’t mean the physical KOH under the Davidic Covenant is not now, otherwise, creation would not be groaning Romans 8:22; Israel and Judah becoming one stick Ezekiel 37:16-22; and have one shepherd v24; David would be King over Israel Ezekiel 37:24 and the posterity of Israel inheriting the land Ezekiel 37:25; and Christ would be King over all the earth Zechariah 14:9; and the physical kingdoms of this world would be Christ Revelation 11:15. Do you deny this? Jerry Kelso
 
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1. The nation of Israel had the covenants from Abraham to Jesus death whether they were obedient or disobedient.

jerry,

Your train is derailed before it even leaves the station.

God has never had a covenant with the disobedient. The thousands that He slew under the old covenant because of disobedience are stark testimony to that reality.

Hebrews 10:28

What counterfeit Bible version are you reading from?
 
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This happened BEFORE the two Kingdoms separated.
There was and still is, two Houses; Judah and Israel. Judah is the people who rejected and killed Jesus and who remain apostate today.
Israel are the people Jesus came to save; Matthew 21:43. His mission was successful and we Christians are the result; Israelites by grafting in AND in most cases, by descent as well.

The belief of a general Jewish redemption is wrong and unscriptural, it will never happen. Isaiah 22:14, Romans 9:27

keras,

1. Isaiah 22:14; That generation of Judah had iniquity that would not be purged till they had died.
The sin at and after death would stay I purged.
But God saying it wouldn’t be purged until you die meant that he would raise people for the nation to keep the covenants unconditional.
2 Samuel 7:13-16; 1 Chronicles 28:1-7 and Ezekiel 37:16-28 and Hosea 1:11;6:1-2; Joel 2:32 etc. show the eternal covenants for Israel and Judah unconditional.

2. Romans 9:27; This is from Hosea 1:1-10; God had Hosea take a wife of whoredoms representing Israel’s whoredom’s of departing from the Lord.
Judah would receive mercy from the Lord and be the remnant. Revelation 12:17; 11:13 will be Judah the believing remnant.
Verse 10 actually is about Israel and Judah in the church age which would be in Paul’s day Romans’ 9:27.
Verse 11: Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.
Revelation 12:17; 11:13; is Judah the remnant.
Revelation 12:13-16; is the nation of Israel that will be gathered together with Judah to be one stick as Ezekiel says.
They will be saved in the day of Jezreel which is connected to har Megiddo and Armageddon.

3. Isaiah 66:8 Israel will be a nation born in one day for as soon as Zion travailed she brought forth her children.
So your belief of Israel not having redemption in the end is not scriptural. Jerry Kelso
 
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jerry,

Your train is derailed before it even leaves the station.

God has never had a covenant with the disobedient. The thousands that He slew under the old covenant because of disobedience are stark testimony to that reality.

Hebrews 10:28

What counterfeit Bible version are you reading from?

jgr,

1. You definitely misunderstand.
Israel has backslidden and obeyed at different times but never forsook or gave up on Israel.

2. God did get rid of many just like in Korah.
But in each captivity not all sinning Jews were killed and God never forsook the nation of Israel.
Under the Mosaic law not every commandment had a penalty of death.
So this is why Hebrews 10:28 is talking about apostates who despise the law of Moses Deuteronomy 13:6-10.
No counterfeit version just correct exegesis.
I see you couldn’t answer any of my questions in post #247. Jerry Kelso
 
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But in each captivity not all sinning Jews were killed and God never forsook the nation of Israel.

Yes, He never forsook blessing and preserving the righteous (who believed and obeyed His covenant), and punishing and slaying the wicked (who disbelieved and disobeyed His covenant).

So faith and obedience were His only covenant criteria in dealing with the people of Israel.

As is true to this day for every individual.
 
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Which of those are you claiming to be? The house of Israel? or the house of Judah?

My lineage comes from both, since I am Abraham's seed, and heir to the promise, through the one seed found in Galatians 3:16.


Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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Yes, He never forsook blessing and preserving the righteous (who believed and obeyed His covenant), and punishing and slaying the wicked (who disbelieved and disobeyed His covenant).

So faith and obedience were His only covenant criteria in dealing with the people of Israel.

As is true to this day for every individual.
 
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jgr,

1. Once again you are just disagreeing by expressing your opinion, not scripture across the board.
According to your logic when a Christian sins and don’t live in faith and obedience Christ automatically gets rid of them.
Have you ever not sinned? If you did you weren’t living in faith and obedience.
If so did God write you off? God has more patience than that unless they have committed the unpardonable sin.

2. God chastens us when we’re not living in faith he doesn’t cut us off otherwise he wouldn’t believe in restoration.
Israel was chastened by many nations while they were not living in faith. That didn’t effect Israel still having a covenant.
Chastening is to to bring restoration. So you have no scripture context or harmonizing with the truth across all of the scriptures in the word of God.
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Can you show us the mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46?




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baberean2,

1. I have already answered your question and debunked it.

2. You did not even address and answer my questions in post #243.
It’s your turn to answer some questions. Jerry Kelso
 
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You did not show us any mortals at the end of Matthew 25:31-46, because they do not exist...


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baberean2,

1. This is the judgement of the nations and their treatment of Israel.

2. Gathering all the nations are not all saved. Vs 35-40 is about the sheep’s works. People are not saved by works.

3. V3 calls them righteous so either they were righteous unto salvation or good treatment of Israel.
They will inherit the kingdom prepared for them from the foundation of the world v34.

4. The goats did not treat Israel right and they will be cursed and will be cast into the lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels v41.
The goats will go into everlasting punishment and the righteous into life eternal.
These are the people that are from those nations that don’t treat Israel right.

5. There will be people from the jungles that most likely will not know Christ has come back.
There will be sinners in the KoH which I have already shown Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:2-4; 11:3-5; 16:5; 65:20; Psalms 2:9; Micah 4:3; Zechariah 14:16-21; 1 Corinthians 15:24-28; Revelation 20:7-10.
If they keep the outward laws they will be permitted to live. Those committing sins worth of death will be killed Isaiah 11:3-5; 16:5; 65:20.

6. If every single person on the earth that remained was saved then those evildoers would be from the posterity of those left at the judgement of the nations that were saved. Many probably will be.

7. So it doesn’t matter if all were saved after the judgement of the nations there will be sinners in the KoH sooner or later.
So you are wrong either way.
Now please, answer the questions in post 243!!!!!!!!!!!!Jerry Kelso
 
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5. There will be people from the jungles that most likely will not know Christ has come back.
There will be sinners in the KoH which I have already shown Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:2-4; 11:3-5; 16:5; 65:20; Psalms 2:9; Micah 4:3; Zechariah 14:16-21; 1 Corinthians 15:24-28; Revelation 20:7-10.
If they keep the outward laws they will be permitted to live. Those committing sins worth of death will be killed Isaiah 11:3-5; 16:5; 65:20.

What you are claiming above is not found in the Bible.
Every eye will see Him when He returns.
Nobody will keep "the outward laws".


All sinners are worthy of death.

Read the entire Bible.

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