Fundraiser to stop police brutality

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A GoFundMe Page has been set up for Western New York law enforcement officers who are fired after intervening, reporting, or stopping fellow officers who abuse their powers. It’s called Cariol Horne Whistleblower Fund.

The fund was named after Horne, a former Buffalo Police Officer. She was fired from Buffalo Police Department, after grabbing the arm of then fellow Officer, Gregory Kwiatkowski while he was arresting a black man. Horne said the officer was choking the suspect. Horne was reportedly punched in the face by Kwiatkowski and discipline by the department until her firing. Her 19 year career ended in 2008 when the BPD fired Horne for her involvement in the 2006 incident. She originally applied for her pension in 2007, while still employed by the department. But did not get it.
 
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The secret to success with a gofundme page is to create a page that
has a goal that can be quickly met in the first day or so. This works
much better than a large goal that is never met.

The secret to success in reducing brutality is to sit down and shut up
when arrested. The Bible recommends this, as does Gandhi.
 
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The secret to success with a gofundme page is to create a page that
has a goal that can be quickly met in the first day or so. This works
much better than a large goal that is never met.

The secret to success in reducing brutality is to sit down and shut up
when arrested. The Bible recommends this, as does Gandhi.
You have the right to remain silent; but you also have the right not to. Police brutality is not legal or right.

A fun fact: it's not called brutality when it's justified (like shooting someone who is pointing a gun at you).
 
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The secret to success in reducing brutality is to sit down and shut up when arrested. The Bible recommends this, as does Gandhi.

Did they teach you that in Victim Blaming 101?

The woman in question was a police officer trying to stop another police officer from beating a suspect in handcuffs.
 
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The secret to success with a gofundme page is to create a page that
has a goal that can be quickly met in the first day or so. This works
much better than a large goal that is never met.

The secret to success in reducing brutality is to sit down and shut up
when arrested. The Bible recommends this, as does Gandhi.


For this fundraiser in particular, the goal should be small since the amount of actual police brutality in the US is extremely small.
 
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For this fundraiser in particular, the goal should be small since the amount of actual police brutality in the US is extremely small.

That may be. Though I've had good experience with them,
some of the night shift cops in the city are not my type of person.
 
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That may be. Though I've had good experience with them,
some of the night shift cops in the city are not my type of person.

The cops in the town I live in are pretty antagonistic, but I've found that if, upon being pulled over, you shut off the car, put the keys on the hood and DON'T move until the cop asks for your information, you'll get off with a warning a lot more often.
 
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The cops in the town I live in are pretty antagonistic, but I've found that if, upon being pulled over, you shut off the car, put the keys on the hood and DON'T move until the cop asks for your information, you'll get off with a warning a lot more often.
It helps if you're not black. (See: Philando Castile)

Edit: Also, you don't deserve to be beaten or shot for having a broken taillight or not having your hands on the wheel. It's not a good idea to take them off the wheel, of course, but the proper response to that is not "bang-bang".

Or to get shot six times.
 
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The cops in the town I live in are pretty antagonistic, but I've found that if, upon being pulled over, you shut off the car, put the keys on the hood and DON'T move until the cop asks for your information, you'll get off with a warning a lot more often.
That's good advice.
 
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It helps if you're not black. (See: Philando Castile)

Edit: Also, you don't deserve to be beaten or shot for having a broken taillight or not having your hands on the wheel. It's not a good idea to take them off the wheel, of course, but the proper response to that is not "bang-bang".

Or to get shot six times.

It does help if your not black. If you are fluorescent orange it will be much easier
for police to see if your are holding a gun or reaching for a gun or a piece of gum.
It is sad but true. If you are carrying a gun, your hands should never move anywhere.
Any gun owner should be aware of the danger he has put himself into when carrying.

One time I smashed my car into a fence. I was aware of the rookie pointing
his gun at me and the tone of his voice. I didn't move my hands, even when
he requested it.
 
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It does help if your not black. If you are fluorescent orange it will be much easier
for police to see if your are holding a gun or reaching for a gun or a piece of gum.
It is sad but true. If you are carrying a gun, your hands should never move anywhere.
Any gun owner should be aware of the danger he has put himself into when carrying.
He was taking out his wallet, said he was taking out his wallet, and was told to take out his wallet.

Side note: shooting someone six times when they are not a threat in any way is totally ridiculous. Most people don't need to be shot more than once to have a pretty good chance of (1) dying and (2) not being able to retaliate in the short term.

So uh... it's still a problem.
 
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It helps if you're not black. (See: Philando Castile)

Edit: Also, you don't deserve to be beaten or shot for having a broken taillight or not having your hands on the wheel. It's not a good idea to take them off the wheel, of course, but the proper response to that is not "bang-bang".

Or to get shot six times.

I never said that it was. Cops are people and ours get like a quarter of the training others do. Plus, I don't think that they have Sovereign Citizens in other countries. Go ahead and look those nutjobs up. Keep in mind that I am not excusing the cops, but I am trying to make people understand that this is not a problem of most cops being racist, but most of them being under trained and facing more risks than our European counterparts.
 
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He was taking out his wallet, said he was taking out his wallet, and was told to take out his wallet.

Side note: shooting someone six times when they are not a threat in any way is totally ridiculous. Most people don't need to be shot more than once to have a pretty good chance of (1) dying and (2) not being able to retaliate in the short term.

So uh... it's still a problem.

It was claimed he was taking out his wallet, and for the record, I believe he was reaching for his wallet...but the only person who could've known that for certain was him.

It's a shame...but mistakes happen.
 
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I'm confused about the goal of this crowd fund...she wants to be able to pay out any cop who alleges abuse and gets fired?

The obvious problem with that is any scenario where allegations of abuse are false. Cops fired in that situation shouldn't get a dime.
 
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I never said that it was. Cops are people and ours get like a quarter of the training others do. Plus, I don't think that they have Sovereign Citizens in other countries. Go ahead and look those nutjobs up. Keep in mind that I am not excusing the cops, but I am trying to make people understand that this is not a problem of most cops being racist, but most of them being under trained and facing more risks than our European counterparts.
It couldn't have been racism...the cop who shot him was a latino. According to the new age definition of racism...he cannot be racist.
 
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I never said that it was. Cops are people and ours get like a quarter of the training others do..

I don't really think the training is the issue with police officers. From what I've seen (albeit very little) their training seems fine.

The problem is the culture.

Police culture is such where they don't see the citizens as their bosses. Nor do they see citizens as people worth protecting. No. Police culture sees the citizens as subjects to be ruled over. Police see themselves as the only thing standing between order and complete chaos and so we should kiss the ground they walk on because without the police we would be raped and murdered and the US would become Lord of the Flies overnight...

So this view creates an attitude in which they believe they have the most important job in the US and you need to bow down to them whenever they snap their fingers. THis leads to the other thing about police culture, an attitude that says, "Do what we say, or else".

Period.

Doesn't matter what, doesn't matter the severity of the issue or problem. In fact, doesn't even matter if the officer is right or not, oftentimes they know they are wrong, but you know what, they don't care. Because their attitude is "Do what we say, or else... and if I'm wrong, sort it out later in court..."

If you have a friend in law enforcement, get access to a Police Only forum and read what they have to say about various issues. It will make your eyes pop out of your head...

Police remind me of Congress. Most people want to become police officers to protect and serve and to do right by their community... The Police Academies also seem to try to do right by teaching some civics and the whole "With great power comes great responsibility" stuff. And then... they are thrown into a toxic pit and it doesn't matter how fresh and good of an apple you are, if you are in a toxic environment it will rot you.

That is what I feel about police culture in this country. The culture is rotten and doesn't jive with the Constitution.
 
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If you have a friend in law enforcement, get access to a Police Only forum and read what they have to say about various issues. It will make your eyes pop out of your head...
Or go on a date with a police officer, I hear some like to talk, as if their routine abuse of people is entertainment that will impress their date.
 
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He was taking out his wallet, said he was taking out his wallet, and was told to take out his wallet.

I said, don't move. Listen to me, not what cops say.
No one has ever been shot for not moving and shutting up.
 
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It was claimed he was taking out his wallet, and for the record, I believe he was reaching for his wallet...but the only person who could've known that for certain was him.

It's a shame...but mistakes happen.

Sit down or don't move and shut up. Then there are no conflicting views.
One teen was recently shot dead after running away and tossing away his gun.
Was the officer wrong? If the kid sat down and shut up, then we wouldn't be debating.
 
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Police culture is such where they don't see the citizens as their bosses. Nor do they see citizens as people worth protecting. No. Police culture sees the citizens as subjects to be ruled over. Police see themselves as the only thing standing between order and complete chaos and so we should kiss the ground they walk on because without the police we would be raped and murdered and the US would become Lord of the Flies overnight...So this view creates an attitude in which they believe they have the most important job in the US and you need to bow down to them whenever they snap their fingers. THis leads to the other thing about police culture, an attitude that says, "Do what we say, or else".

Their JOB is to protect victims from crime.
The public is no more "the boss" of the police than
of any public servant. They VERY MUCH enjoy the
company of the law abiding public. That's what we
are all supposed to be, abiding by the laws
that we have requested.

The public is the boss of every government employee?
No.
Only to the extent that you vote for representation to do all the work
of hiring people to do work you are not willing to do yourself.
 
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