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Featured Fundamentals of the Faith part 18 The coming of Christ to Deliver Israel

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Biblewriter, Nov 5, 2017.

  1. vinsight4u

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    Sorry No Earthly Millennial Kingdom In Isaiah 65, at the return of Jesus Christ this earth is dissolved by fire in judgment "GONE"!

    You Think The Scripture Below Is A Fairy Tale, Try Reading It :)
    2 Peter 3:10, Nahum 1:5, Psalms 46:6, Isaiah 24:20, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Luke 17:29-30, Micah 3:2, 1 Corinthians 3:13, Zechariah 14:12

    After this earth is "dissolved by fire" the Lord reveals the "New Creation", the present earth has passed away, "Behold I Make All Things New". Revelation 21:1-5 New Heavens, Earth, And Jerusalem, The Eternal Kingdom, Isaiah 65:17-19:)
     
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    To answer your question... It cannot.

    Isaiah 65:20 Hebrew Text Analysis

    The first word in the Hebrew text is the word "not", meaning that none of the things that follow will occur in the New Heavens and the New Earth.

    This is one of the most mistranslated verses in the Bible.

    There is no way this one verse can undo all of the other verses in the Bible about the New Heavens and the New Earth.
    Therefore, there must be some misunderstanding in most translations.

    The Hebrew text is correct, but most translations are not.

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    You cannot have it both ways.

    Either the curse is removed at the Second Coming of Christ, or it is not.

    There cannot be no more weeping and people dying at the same time.

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    Nobody not in Christ can stand against the wrath of the Lamb.
    All of the vials of God's wrath are poured out on the same day, at His Second Coming.


    The Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.
    Much confusion is produced trying to make it otherwise.


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  13. keras

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    Two 'Fundamentals of the faith' -
    The earth will continue forever. Eccl 1:4, Psalms 78:69
    The wrath of God will be completed after the Great Tribulation, Revelation 15:1

    Let us hear no more nonsense about the earth being totally destroyed, or Jesus Returning in wrath.

    The earth will be renovated and made like the original garden of Eden. Amos 9:13-15
    When Jesus Returns, He will destroy the armies of the Anti-Christ and chain him up, that's all. The Lord's Day of Wrath is the Sixth seal worldwide disaster, the first event of the prophesied end times, then in the last 3 1/2 years the GT occurs in the sequence given, affecting only the enemies of God.
     
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  14. BABerean2

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    Which earth?

    2Pe 3:10  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 
    2Pe 3:11  Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 
    2Pe 3:12  Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 
    2Pe 3:13  Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 


    Do you think Peter was wrong?

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    Isaiah 11, Isaiah 65, and Zechariah 14, all represent the eternal kingdom in parallel teachings. You have been shown this several times, as you disregard the truth presented.
     
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    Your teaching this present earth will be renovated and remain is 100% "False".

    This present earth will be removed, and will not rise again. As Gods word clearly teaches in Isaiah 24:20 below.

    2 Peter 3:10-13 it will be dissolved by the Lords fire in judgment, the believer is to look for the New Heaven and Earth, Just as Barean has shown you in post #114 above, you disregard the very simple truth of scripture "Why"?

    Revelation 21:1-5 clearly shows this existing earth has passed away, "Behold I Make All Things New" a new creation.

    Isaiah 24:20KJV
    The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
     
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    "Sea" in Revelation 21:1 represents multitudes of people, not oceans and water as you suggest in error.

    Just as Revelation 13:1 clearly teaches, the Beast/Antichrist will rise out of the "Sea", or multitudes of people.

    You have been shown this truth "Several" times, will you continue to teach in error, in a desperate attempt to maintain the false teaching of a earthly millennial kingdom, that isn't found in the Holy scripture?
     
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    What 2 Peter 3:7-12 prophesied, is a sequence of events:
    First, in verses 7-10, comes the great and terrible Day of the Lord's wrath, by fire from the sun. The Day of Judgement of the nations, [not individuals] when the Lord will destroy the godless peoples who attack Israel. Psalms 83, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Revelation 6:12-17
    The word translated 'elements' in verse 10 is; Greek 'stoicheia'. Meaning constructed things, orderly arranged objects, such as buildings, bridges, etc. Not the basic elements of the periodic table.

    Next in 2 Peter 3:11-13, he refers to the time when there will be a new heaven and a new earth, that we know from Revelation 21:1-7 happens after the Millennium.
    Because I look at all the prophesies and see that God will remake the present earth back to how it was in Adams time. If God doesn't do that, then Satan will have won.
    After Satan and Death are done away with, AFTER the great Millennium of Jesus as King, THEN God will make all things new. Revelation 21:5
    Your 'simple truths of scripture' are wrong, just in the timing, because you have believed false teachings.
     
  20. Truth7t7

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    Keras its you who denies the very simple and clear scripture.

    At the return of Jesus Christ Revelation 20:11-15 the Great White Throne Judgment takes place, as Matthew 25:31-46 clearly teaches, these are parallel teachings of the same event.

    Matthew 25:31-46

    Verses 31-32 Jesus returns with the angels in the second coming, the nations are gathered before the throne.

    verse 34 The "Eternal Kingdom" is presented to the righteous.

    verse 41 the wicked are judged to the "Eternal Lake Of Fire"

    verse 46 we see the "Final Judgment" Wicked Eternal Punishment, Righteous Eternal Life.

    Yes the righteous enter the "Eternal Kingdom" in verse 34, as they have obtained "Eternal Life" in verse 46, the book of life has been opened, the final judgment is complete at the second coming of Jesus Christ, "Simple"!

    There will be no human mortal life beyond the second coming/advent, the final judgment has taken place, the eternal has started in the Kingdom, for ever and ever. :)

    Keras you aren't gonna change this scriptural truth, I will post it again and again!
     
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