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Friday Penance????

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pax

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I have been receiving mixed signals about this lately.  I've been told by some that we, as Catholics are required to abstain from meat on all Fridays of the year.  I have also been told by another source that you may substitute another penance in place of eating meat.  I have been told by another source that nothing is required.  Obviously, it's beneficial to do works of penance, but can anyone give me the official church teaching of what is required? 

Thanks in advance
 

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Originally posted by pax
I have been receiving mixed signals about this lately.  I've been told by some that we, as Catholics are required to abstain from meat on all Fridays of the year.  I have also been told by another source that you may substitute another penance in place of eating meat.  I have been told by another source that nothing is required.  Obviously, it's beneficial to do works of penance, but can anyone give me the official church teaching of what is required? 

Thanks in advance

Code of Canon Law (1983):

Canon 1251
Abstinence from meat, or from some other food as determined by the Episcopal Conference, is to be observed on all Fridays, unless a solemnity should fall on a Friday. Abstinence and fasting are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.
 
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Wow...I had only heard it was during Lent that meat couldn't be eaten on Fridays. But then again, this was when I was in elementary school and everyone there thought if you said you believed in God you were automatically a Catholic. :)

What other foods would be chosen instead of meat to abstain from?
 
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To Angel:

I heard a homily from a very perceptive priest who explained, "Look, guys, the whole concept of abstention is doing without. You are defeating the purpose of abstaining from meat if you are feasting instead on crab or lobster."

I'd say the going price of orange roughy would probably disqualify that as well!


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What I've heard though is that the Americans were granted an exception to Canon Law and are required to do so only on Fridays during Lent. In the Diocese of Little Rock (my which my parish belongs to), Bishop Sartain has requested all Fridays outside of Lent to be Fridays of abstinance and penance........
 
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Originally posted by jukesk9
What I've heard though is that the Americans were granted an exception to Canon Law and are required to do so only on Fridays during Lent.

Untrue.  There are no "exceptions" to Canon Law unless otherwise stipulated in the Canon Law itself.  The only stipulation in the Canon Law is that some other food may be substituted.  Whoever told you that was way wrong.
 
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Originally posted by nyj


Untrue.  There are no "exceptions" to Canon Law unless otherwise stipulated in the Canon Law itself.  The only stipulation in the Canon Law is that some other food may be substituted.  Whoever told you that was way wrong.

I remember when this came out following VII. People saw the obligation of abstaining from meat as being stricken, and they were now FREE to eat meat on Fridays. Ignored was the statement to substitute some other food or do some work of charity as a remembrance of Jesus' death on that day.

Prior to VII, I remember being at non-Catholic homes or some organization dinner, and being 'vegatarian'. In this situation today, I try to follow the 'substitute' rule so as to not embarass the host.

Kotton :)
 
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Originally posted by jukesk9
So, nyj, what you're saying is that if I eat meat on Fridays, I need to do some form of penance or abstain from something else that is popular in my life?

What I'm saying is... you should not eat meat on Friday. We, as laity, do not have the option of substituting another food for meat on Fridays. That is up to the Episcopal Conference (Bishops of the United States) to decide, and nothing I have read has indicated to me that the Episcopal Conference of Bishops in the United States has substituted any other food (or pious work) for meat on Friday's.
 
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Got this on Catholicexchange.com:

Question: Has the Pope ever declared eating meat on Friday as a sin? If so, what type of sin is it? Is it still a sin, and if not, would that not be a change in doctrine on faith and morals?


Answer: The Church has, in the past, made abstinence from meat on Friday a discipline, not a doctrine.  It is a sin to reject an ecclesiastical discipline, since to do so is to reject the authority of the Church to teach and discipline in Christ's name. At the same time, such disciplines are always mutable and, should the Church choose to alter them, she is free to do so. Disciplines have to do with various ways in which the faith and morals of the Church are expressed, not with the substance of faith and morals themselves. It is part of the faith of the Church to honor Christ in his passion in some way. How we do so (e.g., abstinence from meat on Friday) can vary as the Church sees fit.

In the past, the Church legislated that abstinence had to take the form of foregoing meat on Friday. Now the Church simply calls the believer to practice some form of self-denial on Friday in memory of the crucifixion.
 
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Originally posted by KC Catholic
Question: Has the Pope ever declared eating meat on Friday as a sin?

In the past, the Church legislated that abstinence had to take the form of foregoing meat on Friday. Now the Church simply calls the believer to practice some form of self-denial on Friday in memory of the crucifixion.

Interesting. Unfortunately they provide no citation to support this claim. I think this is a question for Fr. Joe Horn, I'll get back to everyone once he answers my inquiry.
 
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Hey Padre!

On another discussion board I am on, someone asked me if we were still obligated to abstain from meat on Fridays. It is my understanding that yes, indeed, we are obligated to do so and that anything to the contrary can be attributed to a general lax-ness in our adherence to disciplines post-Vatican II.

At any rate, Canon Law 1251 states:
Abstinence from meat, or from some other food as determined by the Episcopal Conference, is to be observed on all Fridays, unless a solemnity should fall on a Friday. Abstinence and fasting are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.

I have never seen anything from the Bishops of the United States that would lead me to believe that they have either 1)substituted another food for meat, or 2)allowed us to replace abstinance from meat with a pious act or work of charity.

Am I wrong on this, or are we as Catholics, still obligated to fast from meat on Fridays?
 
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... I found the following:

http://www.trosch.org/for/the/abs-clws.htm

And I quote:
The National Conference of Catholic Bishops in their pastoral statement of November 18, 1966 determined the following:

Catholics in the United States are obliged to abstain from the eating of meat on Ash Wednesday and on all Fridays during the season of Lent. They are also obliged to fast on Ash Wednesday and on Good Friday. Self-imposed observance of fasting on all weekdays of Lent is strongly recommended. Abstinence from flesh meat on all Fridays of the year is especially recommended to individuals and to the Catholic community as a whole.

I'm trying to locate the full document to see if they offer any other alternative, but at the very least, it does not appear to me that the NCCB replaced abstinence from meat with anything else.
 
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... I'll have to make corrections to my website. I found the following information at the CIN (Catholic Information Network) website, it was a Q&A by Father Mateo (some of you may know some of the books he had written prior to his death).

http://www.cin.org/mateo/9512291.html

2. Friday should be in each week something of what Lent is in the entire year. For this reason we urge all to prepare for that weekly Easter that comes with each Sunday be freely making of every Friday a day of self-denial and mortification in prayerful remembrance of the passion of Jesus Christ;

3. Among the works of voluntary self-denial and personal penance which we especially commend to our people for the future observance of Friday, EVEN THOUGH WE HEREBY TERMINATE THE TRADITIONAL LAW OF ABSTINENCE AS BINDING UNDER PAIN OF SIN, as the sole prescribed means of observing Friday, we give first place to abstinence from flesh meat. We do so in the hope that the Catholic community will ordinarily continue to abstain from meat by free choice as formerly we did in obedience to Church law. Our expectation is based on the following considerations:

a. We shall thus freely and out of love for Christ Crucified show our solidarity with the generations of believers to whom this practice frequently became, especially in times of persecution and of great poverty, no mean evidence of fidelity in Christ and his Church.

b. We shall thus also remind ourselves that as Christians, although immersed in the world and sharing its life, we must preserve a saving and necessary difference from the spirit of the world. Our deliberate, personal abstinence from meat, more especially because no longer required by law, will be an outward sign of inward spiritual values that we cherish.

Every Catholic Christian understand that the fast and abstinence regulations admit of change, unlike the commandments and precepts of that unchanging divine moral law which the Church must today and always defend as immutable. This said, we emphasize that OUR PEOPLE ARE HENCEFORTH FREE FROM THE OBLIGATION, TRADITIONALLY BINDING, UNDER PAIN OF SIN IN WHAT PERTAINS TO FRIDAY ABSTINENCE, EXCEPT AS NOTED ABOVE FOR LENT. We stress this so that no scrupulosity will enter into examinations of conscience, confessions, or personal decisions on this point.

Perhaps we should warn those who decide to keep the Friday abstinence for reasons of personal piety and special love that they must not pass judgment on those who elect to substitute other penitential observances. Friday, please God, will acquire among us other forms of penitential witness which may become as much a part of the devout way of life in the future as Friday abstinence from meat. In this connection we have foremost in mind the modern need for self-discipline in the use of stimulants and for a renewed emphasis on the virtue of temperance, especially in the use of alcoholic beverages.

It would bring greater glory to God and good to souls if Fridays found our people doing volunteer work in hospitals, visiting the sick, serving the needs of the aged and lonely, instructing the young in the faith, participating as Christians in community affairs, and meeting our obligations to our families, our friends, our neighbors, and our community, including our parishes, with a special zeal born of the desire to add the merit of penance to the other virtues exercised in good works born of living faith.

In summary, let it NOT be said that by this action, implementing the spirit of renewal coming out of the Council, we have abolished Friday, repudiated the holy traditions of our fathers, or diminished the insistence of the Church on the fact of sin and the need of penance. Rather, let it be proved by the spirit in which we enter upon prayer and penance, NOT EXCLUDING FAST AND ABSTINENCE FREELY CHOSEN, that these present decisions and recommendations of this conference of bishops will herald a new birth of loving faith and more profound penitential conversion, by both of which we become one with Christ, mature children of God and servants of God's people."

All capitalizations were by Fr. Mateo to stress particular points. Underlined are stresses by yours truly. So, while it is no longer an obligation under pain of sin, it still comes highly recommended by the Catholic Church and the Bishops of the United States (though I'm not sure why they would choose to make this distinction). I am also unsure as to where the rest of the Catholic world stands on this issue. I imagine that in quite a few Episcopal Conferences, abstinence from meat is still an obligation under pain of sin as stated by Canon Law.

So, as far as being a Catholic and under the jurisdiction of the Episcopal Conference of Bishops of the America's, we are not obligated to abstain from meat under pain of sin, though it is greatly encouraged, and is the "preferred" method of abstinence on all Friday's of the month. My apologies to those who I confused on this issue.
 
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Originally posted by KC Catholic
No, that's cool. We needed the clarification - you got it from the source. I need to make it a point to practice some type of abstinence on Fridays.

Thanks NYJ for the leg work!

Now, the question is... if you're in some other Episcopal Conference (say Europe perhaps), and they have not substituted another food/pious or charitable act for the general abstinence from meat, are you obligated to abstain from meat on Fridays under pain of sin?
 
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