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Frequencies 432 hz .

Discussion in 'Secular Music' started by Мартин Огнянов, Jul 20, 2019.

  1. Мартин Огнянов

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    First I want to apologise for my bad English.

    I read a lot about frequencies and subminimals messages. And understood that 432 hz is harmonic music that can heal you and balance your body and 440 hz music is the frequency that is put in the world most famous hits that cause materialism and disharmonics to your body. There is a study where the water is being shot in 432 hz vs 440 hz and you can see the difference . In the left there is full harmony while in the right there is full disharmonic movement.

    So I want to ask you what is your opinion on this ? Is it safe to listen to it ? Is it against Bible or not ? Which genres and types of music is ok to listen to ?
     

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  2. Radagast

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    That's utterly, utterly false. For a start 440 Hz is just the sound of the A note on any modern piano or other musical instrument:
    The sound 432 Hz is just a tiny bit out of tune (a bit less than halfway towards A♭).

    This whole story started with the myth that older music used A = 432 Hz. This isn't true: a wide range of sounds between A = 400 Hz and A = 480 Hz were used in previous centuries.

    This is all just a total lie. It makes no sense at all. The effect of sound on water varies according to the size of the bowl. There is no difference in terms of effect on the body.

    Please, don't believe Internet rubbish!

    That's a whole other question. Lets leave that for another thread.

    Unless you are that rare person with perfect pitch, music tuned to A 440 and music tuned to A 432 would sound exactly the same. Try it:

     
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  3. -Sasha-

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    Here is a good general rule from Saint John of Kronstadt:
    "Do not be allured by the melodious sounds of an instrument or of a voice, but by their effect upon the soul, or by the words of the song, consider what their spirit is: if the sounds produce upon your soul tranquil, chaste, holy feelings, then listen to them and feed your soul with them; whilst, if they give rise in your soul to passions, then leave off listening to them, and throw aside both the flesh and the spirit of the music."

    And from Philippians 4:8
    "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."

    So in my opinion if something (music, painting, poem, book, etc.) helps open your heart to God, then it is beneficial for you to engage with it. If listening to the harmonious sounds help you be at peace to pray, for example. Or if a particular style of painting turns your mind toward the One who created all beautiful things in the world.
     
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  4. Dave L

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    I heard the Boston Pops tunes to A 444 to brighten their sound. I also know of a certain sax player that plays sharp in the upper registers for better dominance over his band.....
     
  5. SkyWriting

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    Isn't that the new cell phone network for 5G?
     
  6. Radagast

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    Huh? :scratch:

    Are you joking, or are you just very confused?
     
  7. Dave G.

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    The whole keyboard resonates differently tuned at 432 than at 440, the inter harmonics of the registers vibrate slightly different and it produces tones that you don't hear at 440 or you could say that in reverse I suppose. That said, 440 is clearer especially in the upper registers. I tune my grand piano at 438. My digital I can set anywhere I want. My aging ears are sensitive now and 440 and above penetrates my ears when set at 440 and 442. 438 takes the edge off, 432 can be really nice for nocturnes and such and classical era and older music.

    It is said that the natural vibrations in the universe, on earth, in nature are 432 based. It harmonizes in the natural ( some folks buy into this and others don't). I create about 99% of what I play these days, I was gifted with this ability about 5 years ago, having always played other peoples works prior to that happening. Each tuning has me creating slightly different music pieces and on my digital piano, I run that through VST software that can give me the sounds of a C Bechstein grand, studio grand, or a Steinway D etc etc. Many different pianos including a set I bought of classical era pianos with old tunings not generally used today. I'll create different music, it plays on my mood by the sounds of these different instruments.

    But there is a bird in our yard of many birds in our yard who comes to the window and chirps crazy loud to this one piano sound I have modeled on the digital, it's a K2 concert grand tuned to A 438. I haven't tried 432 to see what happens but it doesn't come and chirp when I set it to 440.

    The idea that just the A note is affected is silly when tuning a piano. Middle A is the starting point to the entire tuning, not to mention there are different styles of tunings and these are all based off string beats. When you get good at tuning pianos, or at least good enough to hear these beats as you tune up and down the keyboard then you come to feeling that relationship between registers on the keyboard and even within a single unison. On a grand piano or any piano really, if you push down the sustain pedal all the way and hit any note in the mid range but A is common of course, you will hear all the strings of the keyboard set up a harmonic interchange in the background. These set up beats, that can be even or odd/uneven, so as you play the piano and use the pedal you can make some sweet sounds or harsh according to the actual tuning and how you feather that pedal in and out. It's a delicate part of the piano, that you don't get from say a flute or sax.

    432 puts me right into the nocturne mood though and 438 is no slouch either. 440 changes my mood and hurts my ears at this age, especially in the upper registers ( I'm not talking about orchestral music but specifically my pianos in my living room). But 432 can get muddy in the deep base, string vibrations have slowed enough to get a bit murkey. I find 438 to be a nice all round tuning for me and my old grand likes it, the pins have to hold tighter with higher tunings ( my grand was built in 1898).

    Other than that I don't have anything to say. I have no idea if the universe is in sync with 432 lol. I can see a sax played high as it plays one note at a time in the upper keyboard register of a piano, but has no complimentary harmonic vibrations to account for in the lower registers. If you tune the mid range @ 440, the upper @ more than a few cents higher, the lows a few cents lower on a piano keyboard the whole piano will sound out of tune, because it is. You can't go semitones or whole tones high or low across the keyboard, it would be unplayable. That said we do tune pianos with that slight push in the highs ( just cents not semitones) and pull in the lows or it will come out sounding flat or maybe dull is a better word.
     
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  8. Messerve

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    I don't know if I have perfect pitch, but I heard the difference immediately. I don't think I'd be able to listen to a song and say if it was 432Hz or 440 Hz though...

    I actually liked the 440Hz sound better, even though I was guessing it was 432Hz. ^_^
     
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    I think it was a sarcastic joke because some people say 5G will mess with your own brain frequencies and make it possible for the government to control your thoughts. Or just be bad for your health in general.

    As far as I know, that's only slightly possible (the health effects part, NOT the mind controlling part) if you're literally floating in the air right in front of the cell tower or something.
     
  10. Radagast

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    This is nonsense, of course.

    Nobody said that. Obviously every note moves up or down depending on how you set A.
     
  11. Radagast

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    Maybe you do! I could hear no difference at all.
     
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    In a thread where some people are not native English speakers, a joke of that nature would be inappropriate.
     
  13. Messerve

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    Really?? Yeah I wasn't sure if I could expect anything, but I noticed it instantly. As he continued up the scale, though, I could no longer remember what the former frequency sounded like to say if the individual notes seemed different. I'm sure if I compared them right next to each other I would notice, though.

    When I was a kid, sometimes I would try to think of what middle C on the piano sounded like and then play the note to see if what I had in my head matched the note on the piano. And it actually was the same... I'm not sure of that's the same as prefect pitch. :scratch:
     
  14. Dave G.

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    Yah, I have no idea nor do I particularly care. The little I do know of 432 relates to my pianos only.

    I know at one point in history it was the standard tuning for a few composers and the design construction on some old pianos were such to best utilize 432. At one time there was a standard for 416 as well. Orchestral tunings went to 440 as a universal standard in the 20th century but as was noted earlier in the thread certain orchestral groups prefer even higher standards. I think 442 is popular in Europe these days. New age composers are reverting back to 432 to some degree.

    I rarely play it, it's too out of sync for my other software program where I bring instrumentation into my piano compositions.
     
  15. Radagast

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    Well, yeah. That's called "tuning your instrument." ;)

    That's how I interpret the phrase. And I could never do it.
     
  16. Radagast

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    It was a matter of some concern to the OP.
     
  17. Dave G.

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    Absolutely.
     
  18. paul1149

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    I have neither perfect pitch nor absolute pitch, and I did detect the difference in the two renditions, and called them correctly. It was very subtle, though, and I wasn't sure of myself. I found the A432 rendition to be more settled and relaxing, but whether that is due to any ambiance of nature or just that fact that it was a lower frequency, I don't know.
     
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  19. -Sasha-

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    They did sound slightly different to me.
     
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  20. iluvatar5150

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    I wonder if the A432 crowd likes those early Van Halen records where everything is ~1/4 step flat.
     
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