French Presidential Elections in 2022

[BasedLuther]

I'm hoping for either Le Pen or Zammour.
But what is likely to happen is Macron and one of the two mentioned above will win the first round, then face off against eachother in round 2, where not just those who wanted Macron, but also those who wanted all the leftist and centrist candidates that didn't progress to round 2, will hold their noses and vote Macron.

That's what's happened in all French elections so far that I'm aware of. And what's likely to happen again.

 

[mindlight]

I'm hoping for either Le Pen or Zammour.
But what is likely to happen is Macron and one of the two mentioned above will win the first round, then face off against eachother in round 2, where not just those who wanted Macron, but also those who wanted all the leftist and centrist candidates that didn't progress to round 2, will hold their noses and vote Macron.

That's what's happened in all French elections so far that I'm aware of. And what's likely to happen again.

Yes so neither Le Pen nor Zemmour can beat Macron but maybe Pecresse can.

 

[BasedLuther]

Yes so neither Le Pen nor Zemmour can beat Macron but maybe Pecresse can.

I'm not sure, to be honest. I just hope that the French have the good sense to vote in a patriot who actually cares about their country and its people, and not one of those Merkel/Macron-types this time.

 

[Red Gold]

Poll results now - March 1st 2022

Emmanuel Macron (La République en Marche!): 24 %
Marine Le Pen (Rassemblement national): 19 %
Valérie Pécresse (Les Républicains): 15 %
Éric Zemmour (Reconquête): 13 %
Jean-Luc Mélenchon (La France Insoumise): 11 %
Yannick Jadot (Europe Écologie Les Verts): 5 %
Fabien Roussel (Parti communiste français): 4 %
Christiane Taubira (Parti radical de gauche): 2 %
Anne Hidalgo (Parti socialiste): 2 %
Nicolas Dupont-Aignan (Debout la France): 2 %
Jean Lassalle: 1 %
Nathalie Arthaud: 1 %
Philippe Poutou: 1 %

Frankreich-Wahl 2022: Aktuelle Umfragen und Prognosen

 

[Red Gold]

Emmanuel Macron (La République en Marche!): 24 %
Marine Le Pen (Rassemblement national): 19 %
Valérie Pécresse (Les Républicains): 15 %
Éric Zemmour (Reconquête): 13 %
Jean-Luc Mélenchon (La France Insoumise): 11 %

These names are the important names.

 

[Red Gold]

Emmanuel Macron
Valérie Pécresse
Marine Le Pen
Éric Zemmour
Nicolas Dupont-Aignan
Anne Hidalgo
Yannick Jadot
Jean-Luc Mélenchon
Fabien Roussel
Philippe Poutou
Nathalie Arthaud
Jean Lassalle

Here are the names of all the Twelve now.

 

[Red Gold]

Do you have any favourites among them?

 

[Robban]

Do you have any favourites among them?

No.
I do not know who they are.

Well, I know that Emmanuel Macron is President of course.

Marine le Pen was a long time ago I heard her, though cannot recall exactly what

she spoke about but it did not leave a bad taste.

In the current crisis we now have before us France may have an important role to play,
in some way, cannot say more.

 

[Red Gold]

This Sunday will be the day!

 

[mindlight]

This Sunday will be the day!

This election comes at a crucial time. It looks like Macron and Le Pen will be in the final round. I guess the interest is whether Le Penn gets a higher percentage than Macron in the first round. There is a disturbing level of loathing amongst many left-wingers for Macron and Le Pen is more moderate than in 2017.

The issues for me right now are:

Le Pen seems financially irresponsible but is addressing a feeling that the purchasing power of ordinary Frenchmen has declined in recent years. She is presenting a France First message at a time when EU/NATO solidarity is important.

Macron has made some really bad calls, failing to read Putin or indeed both Trump and Biden that well. His economic reforms have reduced unemployment at the expense of job security and many of the benefits of growth have gone to the globalist class of the superrich. Le Pen is playing on this but her economics might be more an appeal to a bygone era than a real engagement with France today.

On a personal level, I have always found Macron's atheism toxic to his outlook and his marriage arrangement weird. But Le Pens' nationalism also seems inappropriate in the times and she has churned through two marriages and a long-term relationship also. Her Catholicism seems more apparent than real. She is a supporter of abortion and gay pride marches as is Macron. So both seem morally and theologically hot messes in difficult circumstances when the need is for strong leadership and a wartime leader. Macron wants to add abortion into the EU charter for human rights which seems like an act of sabotage for the EU project to me.

This is a tough choice for France. Macron is probably the better choice but it is marginal this time. If he wins I hope it is humbling enough for him to tread more carefully with some of his more outrageous policies.

 

[Robban]

Do you have any favourites among them?

Marine le Pen,
like---companies exempt from tax if minimum wage is raised 10 %,

dislike---ban on hijab in public places.

 

[grasping the after wind]

I find it interesting that so many people that aren't French have so many opinions on who the French should elect as their leaders and no one from France has chimed in here with an opinion. I expect the French elect whichever leaders the French electorate finds the least objectionable.

 

[Robban]

I find it interesting that so many people that aren't French have so many opinions on who the French should elect as their leaders and no one from France has chimed in here with an opinion. I expect the French elect whichever leaders the French electorate finds the least objectionable.

Per post number 27, a question,
and like it or not anyone in the EU would be a little
interested.

Not it would make a difference, but is does not stop one from giving an opinion.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Per post number 27, a question,
and like it or not anyone in the EU would be a little
interested.

Not it would make a difference, but is does not stop one from giving an opinion.

I find it interesting that some seem so invested in their preferences on who they think the French ought to elect and no one from France has even given an opinion. I don't find it untoward or unwarranted just interesting.

 

[Robban]

I find it interesting that some seem so invested in their preferences on who they think the French ought to elect and no one from France has even given an opinion. I don't find it untoward or unwarranted just interesting.

Yeah, suppose it is a little strange but some are really into this kind of thing.

Not me by the way, just thought it was good idea that which I liked,

and not so good what disliked.

Not that it will change the colour of the moon what I think.

 

[mindlight]

Looks like Macron won the first round and that he will face off with Le Pen in the second. So no surprises there. It is looking very close for the Second Round.

From an external observer's point of view, I am slightly alarmed at Le Pens' popularity. She has played a strong campaign addressing the concerns of the French voter about purchasing power. She is far more moderate in the ways she speaks now than in 2017.

She has been talking about EU reform and even withdrawal from NATO and this is not the right time for those kinds of discussions. She suggests that Macron's concerns relating to the war have abstracted him from the French people and their issues. As a pal of Putin, her sympathies are not entirely with Ukraine

 

[Robban]

Looks like Macron won the first round and that he will face off with Le Pen in the second. So no surprises there. It is looking very close for the Second Round.

From an external observer's point of view, I am slightly alarmed at Le Pens' popularity. She has played a strong campaign addressing the concerns of the French voter about purchasing power. She is far more moderate in the ways she speaks now than in 2017.

She has been talking about EU reform and even withdrawal from NATO and this is not the right time for those kinds of discussions. She suggests that Macron's concerns relating to the war have abstracted him from the French people and their issues. As a pal of Putin, her sympathies are not entirely with Ukraine

Deleted, too early for definitive results.

 

[Red Gold]

I find it interesting that so many people that aren't French have so many opinions on who the French should elect as their leaders and no one from France has chimed in here with an opinion. I expect the French elect whichever leaders the French electorate finds the least objectionable.

You misunderstand this thread completely.
We are not telling the French what they should vote.
We are talking about a topic here.
That is what forums are there for.

 

[Red Gold]

So you think only the French should talk about France?
Only the English should talk about England?
Only the Greek should talk about Greece?

 

[Red Gold]

I find it interesting that some seem so invested in their preferences on who they think the French ought to elect and no one from France has even given an opinion. I don't find it untoward or unwarranted just interesting.

Again you completely misunderstand what a forum is there for.