Freemasonry

[Archivist]

Well, they often have to swear and kneel before an altar. They promise that if they divulge anything that they talk about, that it will cost them their lives, and they don't allow non-white members.

The one worshipped in freemasonry, isn't Jesus - far from it. Though, the mass majority of freemasons are within the first 3 degrees. The ones in these ranks are lied to about the end game of what it is they're getting themselves into, and generally, those within these ranks, will never rise above, unless those higher up see something in the person. A strong love of Jesus would conflict with this, because they as I said before, bow before altars, and at varying degrees are required to literally take part in sacrifices. Several members higher up in the organization have come out and divulged this information, only to be cut down.

Albert Pike wrote books on his time in the lodge, while he was in the lodge. If you want to know about what goes on, read his writings. He's arguably one of the most prestigious members, highly regarded amongst freemasons even today.

William cooper does a series called "hour of the time" in which he speaks with members of freemasonry who left (at least the one that I'm aware of quit anyway), and talks about all that went on, and why he left. His identity is shielded in the series, as people who divulge info in this manner, when you look into the history of this, it doesn't go well for them. They generally don't exactly, live long lives if you catch my drift.

The scottish rite is the most highly regarded, there are different rites, but scottish is the highest and most prestigious. If you don't believe something I've written, read Albert Pike's writings, he was a confirmed freemason, and wrote books for freemasons. The books over time were revealed to the public, although they still as I said, highly regard him and his writings to this day. It goes into depth into the types of sacrifices they perform, and many other things.

If your husband was a freemason, he probably was only in one of the first 3 degrees. Most are in these three degrees, and are led to believe it's different than how it truly is, so don't take my answer to your question as an attack on your husband. He probably didn't know is all. Most don't, they just don't think about it. That's generally the story of all of the whistleblowers. They just simply didn't think about bowing before the altar, nor the sacrifices. But then as they got further in, and the deeper in it they got, the more they started to think about it, and they couldn't in their right minds remain. So, I'd probably assume that your husband was within the first three levels, and just didn't really think too much about it. Was probably just friends with some of the other members, and used it as bonding time, and maybe even just liked the sense of camaraderie.

We hear this from those who are opposed to the Masons...that those who divulge Masonic secrets are "cut down" and "don't live long lives". Yet where is the evidence that murders are being committed? If there are murders being committed then there must be police reports. Where are they? Why haven't major media organizations conducted investigated investigations? Why haven't government agencies been looking into the Masons? If they are we aren't hearing about it.

And, again, I am not a Mason. But I am a person who looks for facts and evidence, not innuendo.

 

[Devin P]

We hear this from those who are opposed to the Masons...that those who divulge Masonic secrets are "cut down" and "don't live long lives". Yet where is the evidence that murders are being committed? If there are murders being committed then there must be police reports. Where are they? Why haven't major media organizations conducted investigated investigations? Why haven't government agencies been looking into the Masons? If they are we aren't hearing about it.

And, again, I am not a Mason. But I am a person who looks for facts and evidence, not innuendo.

Well a large part of why the media doesn't get involved is because there are a lot of people who run our society that belong to the lodge. A lot of presidents, bankers, rich and wealthy and influential people belong to Freemasonry and other societies such as skull and bones, and other societies.

I understand why you'd be skeptical though. I'm gonna show you a bit of what I'm talking about but I've got to head to work soon, and don't have the time needed to collect details on some cases I'm talking about.

 

[friend of]

@Albion

You seem to be in the know regarding Masonry. I'm wondering if you think that it might be possible for the hierarchical structure within Masonry for those higher up in Masonry to actually be involved in things which the lower ranks don't see? This would give off the impression to low ranking members that nothing foul is happening.

As a 90s kid who grew up with a healthy imagination amidst 9-11 Conspiracy Theory videos online and the information explosion at the turn of the 21st Century, I just like to say that the vast vast majority of content an d sources pertaining to Masonry that I came in contact with considered Masonry to be a cover for active Satanism/self-aggrandizing spiritualisms which reject Christianity.

My question to you is is this true or is it some conspiracy to smear Masonry holistically, and if so why?

 

[friend of]

I apologize for my poor English speaking it's very late

 

[Antig]

Parts of the Freemasons organisation are vert secretive. I know only because of knowing people who have worked with them and by some members.

 

[Archivist]

When I was in college I remember hearing claims from the religious right that the Procter & Gamble Company was a Satanist organization. It's logo included the man in the moon and 13 stars. These fundamentalists claimed that you could see "666" in the logo along with devils horns. The company denied this, but the rumors continued among these right-wing nut jobs. Eventually P&G was forced to come up with a new logo, and spent millions of dollars re-branding everything. In Spite Of Old, False Satanist Accusations, P&G Put A Moon Back Into Its New Logo

I don't see any difference between what happen to P&G and what is being said here regarding the Masons.

 

[Albion]

Well, they often have to swear and kneel before an altar.

It's called an altar, but it doesn't function like an altar in a church.

They promise that if they divulge anything that they talk about, that it will cost them their lives

No, they don't.

and they don't allow non-white members.

Also untrue.

The one worshipped in freemasonry, isn't Jesus - far from it.

No deity is worshipped in Freemasonry. There is no worship at all.

Though, the mass majority of freemasons are within the first 3 degrees. The ones in these ranks are lied to about the end game of what it is they're getting themselves into, and generally, those within these ranks, will never rise above, unless those higher up see something in the person.

]Also untrue, but go ahead and put some evidence behind those claims.

A strong love of Jesus would conflict with this

Apparently not, since most Masons are Christians and churchmembers.

because they as I said before, bow before altars, and at varying degrees are required to literally take part in sacrifices.

That's absurd. But again, where did you get such an idea?

Several members higher up in the organization have come out and divulged this information, only to be cut down.

"Several?" Out of 3 million or so members in the USA alone?

And the few people who make money off from giving sensationalist lectures have been shown not to be telling the truth. But there is a market for anything that supposedly "divulges" secrets as, for example, we see in your own comments.

Albert Pike wrote books on his time in the lodge, while he was in the lodge. If you want to know about what goes on, read his writings. He's arguably one of the most prestigious members, highly regarded amongst freemasons even today.

Albert Pike spoke for Albert Pike in his interpretations of symbolism, etc. Every member is capable of doing the same thing and many have done so, since one of the purposes of Masonry is for men to develop their intellect, talents, and civic involvement--as they individually have benefitted from participation in the fraternity.

 

[Albion]

Parts of the Freemasons organisation are vert secretive.

Not so. The "secrets" that people like you get all sweaty over thinking about are confined to a couple of passwords and the like. The idea that there is a widespread prohibition on discussing Masonic doings is fiction.

The fraternity has created many videos--seen on the History Channel, for example--showing initiations, etc. In addition, every lodge has its name/identity on the front door of one of the more prominent building in whatever town you want to speak of. Secret? Nonsense. Tours are given of the buildings and meeting rooms, to anyone from the public who's interested. People arriving for a fundraising spaghetti dinner, for example, can walk into the meeting room unescorted and see what's there for themselves. The facilities are often rented to outside groups for wedding receptions. And there are a mountain of questions answered online from various Masonic organizations (none of which you ever looked at, I'm willing to guess). Masonry, in fact, is one of the most transparent organizations you'll find in any city.

 

[Albion]

We hear this from those who are opposed to the Masons...that those who divulge Masonic secrets are "cut down" and "don't live long lives". Yet where is the evidence that murders are being committed? If there are murders being committed then there must be police reports. Where are they? Why haven't major media organizations conducted investigated investigations? Why haven't government agencies been looking into the Masons? If they are we aren't hearing about it.

And, again, I am not a Mason. But I am a person who looks for facts and evidence, not innuendo.

I personally know at least a dozen men who withdrew from membership, and each of them is doing just fine. Not a one has been found hanged or decapitated.

 

[Albion]

Well a large part of why the media doesn't get involved is because there are a lot of people who run our society that belong to the lodge. A lot of presidents, bankers, rich and wealthy and influential people belong to Freemasonry and other societies such as skull and bones, and other societies.

The truth is that, while Masonry was once made up of the prominent men in society, today's membership is overwhelmingly middle class and very few political officeholders or industrialists, etc. belong.

 

[Albion]

@Albion

You seem to be in the know regarding Masonry. I'm wondering if you think that it might be possible for the hierarchical structure within Masonry for those higher up in Masonry to actually be involved in things which the lower ranks don't see? This would give off the impression to low ranking members that nothing foul is happening.

In theory, something like that might possibly happen, although it would be very hard to pull off.

For one thing, the claim is made that these supposed higher-ups control the whole organization in a pyramidal fashion. The truth is, however, that there is no international Masonic organization. There are 49 separate and independent "Grand Lodges" in the USA alone, and other countries have theirs. They are associated only by a common heritage, but ceremonies differ, and many policies are different from one to another.

In addition, what's the point in having a large but deluded mass of members at the lower levels? It's often charged by the uninformed that the "lower" ones are needed to financially support the uppers, but the average annual dues -- depending upon the decision of the local lodge -- are most often less than $100 dollars and many pay less. And almost all of that goes to support the LOCAL unit. What's passed on to the state organization is almost a token amount. As for some level of bosses above them, it's virtually impossible.

But the most important item to keep in mind is that there is no evidence that such a system of intrigue and plotting exists.

As a 90s kid who grew up with a healthy imagination amidst 9-11 Conspiracy Theory videos online and the information explosion at the turn of the 21st Century, I just like to say that the vast vast majority of content an d sources pertaining to Masonry that I came in contact with considered Masonry to be a cover for active Satanism/self-aggrandizing spiritualisms which reject Christianity.

Yeh. It would be humorous if it were not so vicious an accusation.

My question to you is is this true or is it some conspiracy to smear Masonry holistically, and if so why?

Of couse it's not true. And you can see from the posts here that people are saying that they have no personal knowledge of the slanders they are pushing with absolute confidence but, to make matters even more bizarre, they insist that although they have no personal knowledge, they heard someone else who has no knowledge of Masonry either say that they suspected something strange was going on...ergo they must be "Satan worshippers." I mean, really??

Now, WHY has Masonry been so often vilified? Historically, most of it comes from the Papacy and the Roman Catholic Church which, as most people know, forbids membership. It has its own organization patterned on the Masonic lodges, you may know--the Knights of Columbus (that the average person knows far less about than they do about the Masons, but for some reason, that's never a cause for them to be accusing the KofC of anything sinister.)

And why has Masonry been attacked by the Church? Historically, it's because the Vatican was losing its power over governments through the 18th and 19th centuries, and the forces that were moving in that direction--democracy, national independence movements, constitutional guarantees of human rights, etc.--were supported by the Masons who have as a treasured tenet the inherent equality of all men.

Rich and poor, important or not, all are equals in the lodge. Many of our nation's judicial concepts about fair trials, etc. are derived from Masonry. Some of our most famous Founding Fathers were Masons, as you know, but so also were national independence leaders in Europe, such as Guiseppi Mazzini.

 

[Archivist]

The truth is that, while Masonry was once made up of the prominent men in society, today's membership is overwhelmingly middle class and very few political officeholders or industrialists, etc. belong.

I understand that the Masons--like the Rotary, the Lions, the Kiwanis--are also having difficulty attracting younger members.

 

[Albion]

I understand that the Masons--like the Rotary, the Lions, the Kiwanis--are also having difficulty attracting younger members.

Sure. All such organizations have lost ground to the video revolution and ease of movement in modern society. That's true of the Grange, Boy Scouts, the Jaycees, even churches.

People used to see such associations as the source of fellowship and even such benefits as a life insurance policy. Now there's the internet and facebook. You can even find a mate in another city by joining one of the online dating societies.

Almost every parent bemoans the fact that the kids now live on their "devices" and do not gather in the vacant lot down the street for a game of baseball or play tag in the front yard. But that once was common.

 

[Archivist]

Sure. All such organizations have lost ground to the video revolution and ease of movement in modern society. That's true of the Grange, Boy Scouts, the Jaycees, even churches.

People used to see such associations as the source of fellowship and even such benefits as a life insurance policy. Now there's the internet and facebook. You can even find a mate in another city by joining one of the online dating societies.

Almost every parent bemoans the fact that the kids now live on their "devices" and do not gather in the vacant lot down the street for a game of baseball or play tag in the front yard. But that once was common.

So true. Sadly many of these organizations are dying out. I used to be a member of the Lions Club, and even when I was in my 40s I was the youngest member of our group. A few members were in their 50s, most were much older. The big question is who takes over putting up flags on flag day, collecting eyeglasses for those with vision problems, supplying free health care to children, sponsoring school essay competitions, etc. after these various groups cease to exist.

 

[Albion]

True, true. I suppose that these things will be left undone (I'm already seeing that) or people will think it's government's job to do.

 

[JacksBratt]

I understand that the Masons--like the Rotary, the Lions, the Kiwanis--are also having difficulty attracting younger members.

And............Like the rabbit that is blind to the snare.... you are blind to the reality of this organization.

 

[Archivist]

And............Like the rabbit that is blind to the snare.... you are blind to the reality of this organization.

So anyone who disagrees with you is "blind"? Rubbish. Remember I am not a Mason so I have no pony in this race. However, as I said in my post 61, "I am a person who looks for facts and evidence, not innuendo." Present the evidence from an unbiased source and I will consider it. But I'm not seeing any evidence from unbiased sources being offered here. What I am seeing are the sorts of claims that were wrongly made against P&G and cost that company millions.

 

[JacksBratt]

So anyone who disagrees with you is "blind"? Rubbish. Remember I am not a Mason so I have no pony in this race. However, as I said in my post 61, "I am a person who looks for facts and evidence, not innuendo." Present the evidence from an unbiased source and I will consider it. But I'm not seeing any evidence from unbiased sources being offered here. What I am seeing are the sorts of claims that were wrongly made against P&G and cost that company millions.

I'm certainly not saying that "anyone who disagrees with you is "blind"

Why do people seem to jump past the truth of a situation and keep going to assumptions and hyperbole.

People disagree with me all the time. It is the adult way. We agree to disagree.

What I am saying is this:

It is well documented that Freemasons are not the nice little hospital builders that they would like to be known as. AND that they are not at all "LIKE" the Lions or Rotary clubs. They are a deep and secret organization and, IMO, if we knew all their actions, we would be appalled.

 

[fat wee robin]

I heard George Washington, a lot of American Founding fathers were and even Mozart was.

Yes and he was probably poisoned by them .He used his operas and music to reveal their secrets .

 

[fat wee robin]

So anyone who disagrees with you is "blind"? Rubbish. Remember I am not a Mason so I have no pony in this race. However, as I said in my post 61, "I am a person who looks for facts and evidence, not innuendo." Present the evidence from an unbiased source and I will consider it. But I'm not seeing any evidence from unbiased sources being offered here. What I am seeing are the sorts of claims that were wrongly made against P&G and cost that company millions.

No ,but we need the Light of the Holy Spirit to discern .Not all have this, even if they call themselves christians .