Freedom of speech is not a right

[Ron Gurley]

Under the USConst. First Amendment, are the most treasured guarantees of Freedom of Speech and the Free Exercise of Religion.

Are there isolated ABUSES of these rights? Yes.

Are there strict limitations on these rights? Yes.

But the baby and the bath water analogy applies.

 

[Ron Gurley]

One of the main problems are the liberal SCOTUS decisions in which they "MADE LAW"...The false doctrine of "separation of church and state".

Similar to Roe vs Wade. "MADE LAW".

Similar to LGT marriage. "MADE LAW".

Find "right to privacy" in the USConstit. It ain't there!

 

[HermanNeutics13]

The whole point of freedom of speech is that controversial speech is protected. SO called "hate speech" does not exist. The same right that allows a Satanist to spew their lies allows Christians to speak the truth, limit one and you risk limiting the other. Now if someone is making threats of violence that is a different story.

 

[Audacious]

One of the main problems are the liberal SCOTUS decisions in which they "MADE LAW"...The false doctrine of "separation of church and state".

Have you read the Constitution? It's very hard to and not get the whole separation of church and state deal out of it. That's why it's a nearly universal legal consensus.

"The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." -Treaty of Tripoli

Similar to Roe vs Wade. "MADE LAW".

Similar to LGT marriage. "MADE LAW".

Christians don't get to force non-Christians to do things on the basis of Christianity. I don't really see the problem.

Find "right to privacy" in the USConstit. It ain't there!

It's still in the law, though. Maybe we should add it to the Constitution, just to make a point.

Lots of very important parts of law aren't in the Constitution.

 

[Ron Gurley]

Under our Republic, it is the sole job of SCOTUS to INTERPRET LAW, not MAKE IT. Congress needs to PASS LAWS to correct past SCOTUS unjust decisions in which it MADE LAW.

 

[Ron Gurley]

Required homework!

List of United States Supreme Court cases involving the First Amendment - Wikipedia

 

[RedPonyDriver]

The same sex marriage legality came out of the 14th amendment...particularly the "equal protection" clause. In other words, you cannot deny someone the right to legally marry just for the heck of it. You may not like it, but if one reads the 14th amendment, one would see that SCOTUS was not just "making law".

The 3 branches of our government are the Executive, Judicial and Legislative branches. The Executive's job is to sign bills into law. The Legislative branch creates the laws and the Judicial decides the legality or illegality of such laws. (how I wish Schoolhouse Rock was still on TV).

Roe v. Wade was decided on a woman's right to privacy, including when she is pregnant. And, if you have done any research into the whole issue, Roe v. Wade was pretty much ignored by Evangelical Christians, and thought of as a "Catholic issue" until 1980 or so when the "Moral Majority" raised it's ugly head. See, the evangelical "leaders" wanted to get folks stirred up on segregation but the reaction of the rank and file was "meh"...so...they latched onto abortion as the galvanizing event. In other words, every single "pro-lifer" has been duped by bad science, bad politics and bad propaganda.

 

[Ron Gurley]

OP: "
Freedom of speech is not a right

A: FALSE!

 

[Ringo84]

"Religious freedom for me but not for thee"
Ringo

 

[HermanNeutics13]

The same sex marriage legality came out of the 14th amendment...particularly the "equal protection" clause. In other words, you cannot deny someone the right to legally marry just for the heck of it. You may not like it, but if one reads the 14th amendment, one would see that SCOTUS was not just "making law".

This is why the government should even be in the marriage business. They used to not be. It should be a private contract, the only thing government should be involved in is to resolve disputes related to the contract.

The 3 branches of our government are the Executive, Judicial and Legislative branches. The Executive's job is to sign bills into law. The Legislative branch creates the laws and the Judicial decides the legality or illegality of such laws. (how I wish Schoolhouse Rock was still on TV).

That is correct but far too often the Supreme court invents laws, or uses bad precedent to create something that's not there.

Roe v. Wade was decided on a woman's right to privacy, including when she is pregnant. And, if you have done any research into the whole issue, Roe v. Wade was pretty much ignored by Evangelical Christians, and thought of as a "Catholic issue" until 1980 or so when the "Moral Majority" raised it's ugly head. See, the evangelical "leaders" wanted to get folks stirred up on segregation but the reaction of the rank and file was "meh"...so...they latched onto abortion as the galvanizing event. In other words, every single "pro-lifer" has been duped by bad science, bad politics and bad propaganda.

It is true there weren't actually many evangelicals on board with the pro-life movement at first, it took awhile to take hold. What bad science have pro-lifers been duped by? The scientific fact that unique human life begins at conception? Science proves that, we can see that in DNA. It was Norma McCOrvey, AKA Jane Roe who was duped and used by greedy lawyers, she

 

[Open Heart]

Teacher wants to promote satanism

Florida pastor vows to tear down teacher's satanic holiday display

I find this disgusting and not fascinating but I want to speak out incase my voice is important

Freedom of speech is not a right when the freedom may rightly harm people. Mature people can handle but not minor. It is said woe to whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin. The only one you are free to speak to are those who speak to you such as Christians. Or I guess freedom of speech is okay but you are not free from the consequences such as being stopped if you are doing evil.

Don't bring more curses on America. A person undecided can be misled. God punished the false prophets and Jezebel. America needs to become a Christian nation not secular. Any nation that wants the blessing of God must be for all the nations which forget God shall be turned into hell

There is more than one human human right, and they must be balanced when they come into conflict with each other.

For example, another human right is the freedom of religion. This includes the government not establishing a religion. On this basis, the public school may not teach any particular religion in the classroom. A satanist may not teach satanism just as a Christian may not teach Christianity.

There is no traditional Satanic celebration during December, nor any particular American December cultural celebration that gives a nod to Satanism. Therefore the Satanist display was completely inappopriate.

 

[Dawnhammer]

Freedom of speech is not a right when the freedom may rightly harm people. Mature people can handle but not minor. It is said woe to whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin.

And you don’t think some minors or adults get unhinged when told about demons, Satan and lake of fire awaiting them if they don’t get their beliefs right as taught by loving Christianity ?

 

[RedPonyDriver]

It is true there weren't actually many evangelicals on board with the pro-life movement at first, it took awhile to take hold. What bad science have pro-lifers been duped by? The scientific fact that unique human life begins at conception? Science proves that, we can see that in DNA. It was Norma McCOrvey, AKA Jane Roe who was duped and used by greedy lawyers, she

Ok...POTENTIAL life begins at conception. Roughly 1/3 of all pregnancies end before the woman even knows she's pregnant. There are innumerable things that can go wrong at the time of conception.

Now...a thought experiment
There's a fire. There are 1000 frozen 5 day embryos in a cask and a 5 year old child in the burning building. You can only rescue either the embryos or the 5 year old child. Which do you choose and why?

 

[HermanNeutics13]

Ok...POTENTIAL life begins at conception. Roughly 1/3 of all pregnancies end before the woman even knows she's pregnant. There are innumerable things that can go wrong at the time of conception.

Now...a thought experiment
There's a fire. There are 1000 frozen 5 day embryos in a cask and a 5 year old child in the burning building. You can only rescue either the embryos or the 5 year old child. Which do you choose and why?

No actual life. Biologically, what is the difference between a fetus and an adult? They are different sizes and levels of development but then so is a child and an adult. There are innumerable things that can go wrong from birth to adulthood.
Oh yes that argument became popular again after some guy on twitter brought it up. It is similar to the trolley dilemma. IN the end it comes down to triage. Also, what if the embryos were yours but the baby was a stranger. That may change things as we have a bias toward our own, it doesn't make it morally right. All an experiment like this does, is it shows cognitive bias, not the morality of a thing. I have a friend who answered this well, you can also check out Ben Shapiro's answer.
Pro-Life Philosophy: Thought Experiment: The Burning IVF Facility

 

[RedPonyDriver]

No thanks...I can tell you right now I'd go for the 5 year old every time. A 5 day embryo is a potential life, a 5 year old child is an actual life.

I find it interesting that you skipped around an answer though...which would YOU save? The embryos or the child? Pick one.

 

[HermanNeutics13]

No thanks...I can tell you right now I'd go for the 5 year old every time. A 5 day embryo is a potential life, a 5 year old child is an actual life.

I find it interesting that you skipped around an answer though...which would YOU save? The embryos or the child? Pick one.

I did answer but I will make it more clear. It is largely an issue of triage. Which has the best chance of surviving? When a doctor or nurse is determining truage it has nothing, so due to triage under most circumstances I would probably save the infant. It depends. Like I said if the embryos were mine and the child was a stranger, I might be more inclined to save the embryos, because we then to have a bias towards our own.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I guess we can’t stop freedom of speech but we are not to stop those from walking away from crap either. Don’t force exposure to demonic subjects which are harmful

 

[RedPonyDriver]

I did answer but I will make it more clear. It is largely an issue of triage. Which has the best chance of surviving? When a doctor or nurse is determining truage it has nothing, so due to triage under most circumstances I would probably save the infant. It depends. Like I said if the embryos were mine and the child was a stranger, I might be more inclined to save the embryos, because we then to have a bias towards our own.

One more time....you are not related to any of them. Who do you rescue? You can only rescue one.

 

[Everybodyknows]

Like I said if the embryos were mine and the child was a stranger, I might be more inclined to save the embryos, because we then to have a bias towards our own

Wow... That is messed up right there...

 

[Tetra]

The title of this thread scares the crap outta me.