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Francisco Franco was a GREAT Man

Discussion in 'History & Genealogy' started by KnightOfTheRoundTable, May 28, 2004.

  1. scud

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    anyone heared of the biblecode?
    what they do is like do a search and like every 11th letter they pick out and they make words etc..

    and the bible code talks about hitler iraq saddam hussein etc. it is rather interesting, you can get the bible code software at this website, and they also have magnetic rings that are supposed to increase your vitality.
    here is the link anyway

    http://www.alexchiu.com/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=scallchad
     
  2. KnightOfTheRoundTable

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    Injured Soldier, the soviet plans for World Domination are well documented now as they have been found in KGB archives in Moscow.
    The Basques are seperatists and Franco had to deal with them in order to keep peace and order with Spain. A lot of Basques are still proud patriotic Spaniards.
    Yes its true that the Soviets did create a crime free and Drug free society ill give you that but if you tried to leave you were shot!
    In Francos Spain you could come and go as you please and as I stated earlier more spaniards came back to Spain than left Spain!
    You cant say the same for the Soviet Union with the barbed wire fences and armed soldiers ready to kill if you tried to leave!

    And lastly Mussolini did invent Fascism as he coined the term Fascism from the Italian word fasceo. Also he wrote the Doctrine of Fascism.
     
  3. Injured Soldier

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    Only if you believe Suvorov. I'm not saying Stalin didn't have designs on Europe, but if there were plans (the archives show a lot of things, but the claim they show plans for World Domination is going too far), they were little more than to throw of German and Western spies into thinking the Soviet Union was more of a threat that it really was.
    Mussolini says that, Mussolini said a lot of things. He was an egotistical jerk in reality. He stole the synthesis of Sorel and Maurras work, he used the word fascio even though many Italian parties wanting unity in the 19th century also used that word. The Sicilians in 1893-1894 used that word too. Just giving an idea that is not yours a name that is in common use does not make you the inventor of something.

    I hate the USSR as much as anyone, but I think any political party who tries to create a crime free society is wrong. Including Franco's various groups. The fact he pretended to be a great Catholic and pretended all this economic growth was his doing and no one else could have done it should make you angry, not admiring of the man.
     
  4. MatthewG215

    MatthewG215 Well-Known Member

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    If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times:

    If you want to have peace you have to bomb.
     
  5. Yahweh Nissi

    Yahweh Nissi "The LORD Is My Banner"

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    But there was democracy in Spain before Franco - the legitimate Rpublic of Spain. It was Franco and several other generals who were monarchists, falangists, etc, who were the armed insurectionaries against this stable society and who created the 'anarchy'. At the time of the Civil War, the Societ backed communist party of Spain did not have much support, its membership was about 50,000 (which was about the same as the peak membership of the Communist Party of Great Britain). It was the democratic socialist party and the libertarian party, both of which were very opposed to Stalinism, that had most support, with memberships of both exceeding one million. (Source - The Spanish Civil War by Anthony Beever).
     
  6. SolomonVII

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  7. jgarden

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    Franco led a military junta that overthrew an elected government. He may have "disliked" Hitler, but not enough to stop the German stukas from perfecting their dive bombing techniques on defenseless Spanish civilians. Franco conducted a brutal civil war at the bequest of the conservatives and the Church. It took Spain decades to recover from his tyranny.
     
  8. MatthewG215

    MatthewG215 Well-Known Member

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    I think this thread is supposed to be a joke.
     
  9. KnightOfTheRoundTable

    KnightOfTheRoundTable New Member

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    No this thread isnt a joke just my opinion of the man thats all! Of course im allowed to have an opinion that is different to someone elses! Hopefully
     
  10. SolomonVII

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  11. KnightOfTheRoundTable

    KnightOfTheRoundTable New Member

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    Ok guys, some things that we should all admire about Franco.

    1) He restored Traditional Values
    2) He went to daily Communion
    3) He expelled Communism from Spain
    4) He dealt with Basque Terrorists
    5) Homosexuals were arrested
    6) Tranvesties were Arrested
    7) Criminals were Arrested and were Appropriately Punished
    8) Death penalty For Murderers
    9) Non Vulgar media
    10) Healthy sexuality was promoted
    Wouldnt we as Christians want especially from number 5 Onwards to be positive things that we could have now in our wonderful Democratic countries?
     
  12. oldrooster

    oldrooster Thank You Jerry

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    Are you about 12 ? If you read the history of the Third Reich, these are the same values that Hitler promoted. Seig Heil.
     
  13. KnightOfTheRoundTable

    KnightOfTheRoundTable New Member

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    Duh! They are not the same values as Hitler! Hitler promoted Racial purity but Franco didnt. Franco couldnt care less.

    Anyway I was trying to say from a Christian viewpoint that this values are worth having in our society today. Would you agree? Yes or No?

    What the heck is the problem, with promoting the views i listed?
    As a christian I would prefer to live in a society like Francos.
     
  14. oldrooster

    oldrooster Thank You Jerry

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    If this was my choice, I would be a communist anyday......
     
  15. Yahweh Nissi

    Yahweh Nissi "The LORD Is My Banner"

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    I am not entirely sure what you mean by this - but usually the phrase refers to a sort of worldy conservatism very different from the radical message of Jesus. Their stance on sexual ethics tends to be similar, but that is about it - and that was not something Jesus spent much time talking about.

    Good.

    Before the facist/falangist/carlist/monarchist/whaterver insurrection against the democtraic Republic of Spain, there was little support for Soviet Communism - the vast majority of left-wingers were socialist or libertarian, the latter in particular having very little time for communists, especially Stalinists. The USSR was only able to gain more influence because no-one else would help the republicans and they needed support because of the nazi support of the rebbels (that is Franco et al, by the way).

    I make this statement more hesitantly then most of the others as it is something I am not that sure about, but I believe Franco had quite a hand in inflaming that problem.

    That is terrible. I totally agree that sexual acts should only be between a married man and woman, but where did Jesus or the apostles ever say we should use state power to inforce morality? Do you think God is glorifed by people obeying Him at the point of a gun? Personally, I think He is glorified by people realising He is their LORD, repenting and choosing to obey Him.

    See above.

    Unfortunately opposing Franco's regeim made one a criminal.

    I disagree with this, but it is a complicated issue, so I do not condem Franco for this.

    i.e. state censorship of media and no freedom of speech. Great.

    I am in favour of this in principle, but I suspect I would disagree with the methods with which it was being 'promoted'.

    Not this Christian for one.
     
  16. SolomonVII

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  17. MatthewG215

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    Sounds like a Commie line if you ask me!
     
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