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Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe says No about Plea Deal, "Not Under Any Circumstances"

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by NightHawkeye, Sep 18, 2019.

  1. NightHawkeye

    NightHawkeye Work-in-progress Supporter

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    From the "Twisting slowly in the wind", files: Andrew McCabe Says He Won’t Take A Plea Deal ‘Under Any Circumstances’ If Indicted

    Federal prosecutors in Virginia are pushing for charges against McCabe, a former FBI deputy director, for allegedly making false statements to the FBI and Justice Department’s office of the inspector general (OIG) regarding his authorization of a leak to the media in October 2016.
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    “Will you take a deal in order to go on with the rest of your life if there is no big criminal attachment — you don’t have to do any time or anything like that?” CNN’s Chris Cuomo asked McCabe in an interview.

    “Absolutely not, under any circumstances,” said McCabe, who joined CNN as an analyst Aug. 23
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  2. DaisyDay

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    Interestingly, the phrase "twisting slowly, slowly in the wind" - oddly poetic considering the source, John Ehrlichman, and the circumstances - sprang from the Watergate scandal.

    After the Watergate investigation began, Nixon’s nominee for Director of the FBI, L. Patrick Gray, absorbed many of Congress’ blows during confirmation hearings. Subjected to heated criticism, especially over his relationship with the president’s legal counsel, John Dean, prospects for his approval looked bleak. Ehrlichman calculated political value in Congress eviscerating Gray’s nomination. It shifted the focus of Watergate from the White House. As Ehrlichman advised the president, better Gray be left “twisting, slowly, slowly in the wind.”​

    The Watergate Files - Senate Hearings: February 1973 - July 1973 - People

    In 1980 after a two-year investigation, L. Patrick Gray was exonerated.

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  3. essentialsaltes

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    I can almost follow the logic.

    Michael Flynn didn't lie to the FBI, but he plead that he did because he's really innocent.

    Therefore...

    McCabe did lie, so he won't plead because he's really guilty!
     
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  4. Tanj

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    Ah, the 5th thread on this topic, in this forum, in as many days. That seems reasonable. Imagine how many threads there will be if he actually gets indicted!
     
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    A poster notes thread count is a measure of linen quality.
     
  6. Tanj

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    Any sign of that indictment?
     
  7. cow451

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    Real soon. You wait... it’s not Wednesday yet.
     
  8. essentialsaltes

    essentialsaltes Stranger in a Strange Land

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    Speaking of McCabe, we have a new document drop:

    A newly released two-page memo written by then-Acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe outlined how former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein proposed wearing a wire in the White House "to collect additional evidence on the president’s true intentions," and thought the scheme was plausible because "he was not searched when he entered the White House."

    The contemporaneous memo, which the Justice Department released after a transparency lawsuit by Judicial Watch, provided the strongest documentary evidence to date to undercut previous claims by DOJ officials that Rosenstein was joking when he apparently made the suggestion.


    Oh my. If you missed the link above, here's the memo:

    I [McCabe] began by telling him [DAG Rosenstein] that today I approved the opening of an investigation of President Donald Trump. I explained that the purpose of the investigation was to investigate allegations of possible collusion between the president and the Russian Government, possible obstruction of justice related to the firing of FBI Director James Comey, and possible conspiracy to obstruct justice. The DAG questioned what I meant by collusion and I explained that I was referring to the investigation of any potential links between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. I explained that counterintelligence investigations of this sort were meant to uncover any the existence of any threat to national security as well as whether or not criminal conduct had occurred. Regarding the obstruction issues, I made clear that our predication was based not only on the president's comments last week to reporter Lester Holt (that he connected the firing of the director to the FBl's Russia investigation), but also on the several concerning comments the president made to Director Comey over the last few months. These comments included the President's requests for assurances of loyalty, statements about the Russia investigation and the investigation of General Michael Flynn. I also informed the DAG that Director Comey preserved his recollection of these interactions in a series of contemporaneously drafted memos. Finally, I informed the DAG that as a result of his role in the matter, I thought he would be a witness in the case.

    As our conversation continued the DAG proposed that he could potentially wear a recording device into the Oval Office to dollect additional evidence on the President's true intentions.

    He anticipated that he may be terminated when he puts the Special Counsel in place, in light of the president's anger with AG Sessions when the AG recused himself from the Russia investigation. The DAG further stated that he was told that others heard the President tell the AG "you were supposed to protect me."


    Oh, Lordy, I hope there are tapes.
     
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  10. NightHawkeye

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    Apparently, an apology by McCabe is all the DOJ needed.
    McCabe apologized for misleading investigators on leak, transcripts show

    “I remember saying to him, ‘Sir, you understand that we’ve put a lot of work into this based on what you told us,’” the investigating agent told McCabe, according to the documents. “I mean, and I even said, long nights and weekends working on this trying to find out who amongst your ranks of trusted people would, would do something like that. And [McCabe] kind of just looked down, kind of nodded and said, ‘Yeah, I’m sorry.’

    I look forward to the government now dropping its case against Flynn, who apparently didn't even lie, and also its case against Roger Stone. Maybe that'll happen by Wednesday, or next Friday for sure.
     
  11. DaisyDay

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    The hilarious thing about this is that it stems from McCabe endorsing the investigation of the Clinton Foundation (which came to nada).
     
  12. RocksInMyHead

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    Then why didn't they drop the case in 2017? That's when that quote was from.

    His admission of lying about the leak (and apology for doing so) is what started the case against him.
     
  13. essentialsaltes

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    Because Trump, of course.

    Walton, who was appointed to the bench by President George W. Bush and serves in the District of Columbia, chided DOJ prosecutors in September for repeated delays in deciding whether to bring charges against McCabe and keeping him under a cloud of suspicion, which he suspected served White House interests.

    “I fully appreciate the complexity of the assessment, especially — unfortunately, to be candid — in light of the way by the White House, which I don’t think top executive officers should be doing,” he said, according to a transcript of a discussion when prosecutors requested yet another delay.

    “I don’t think people like the fact that you got somebody at the top basically trying to dictate whether somebody should be prosecuted. I just think it’s a banana republic when we go down that road and we have those type of statements being made that are conceivably ... influencing the ultimate decision,” Walton said. “I think there are a lot of people on the outside who perceive that there is undue, inappropriate pressure being brought to bear.”


    The judge called it “disturbing,” adding that the “integrity of the process is being unduly undermined by inappropriate comments and actions on the part of people at the top of our government.” He warned that “as a government and as a society we’re going to pay a price at some point for this.”
     
  14. NightHawkeye

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    The wheels of justice turn slowly.
     
  15. Jamsie

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    Evidently...especially in our present Banana Republic!
     
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