Hi members of Christian forums. This will be my final round. I want to thank you for allowing us to discuss the Bible version issue from both sides.
I believe the doctrine of the inerrancy of The Bible is the most important issue facing the Church today. It is the basis of everything we believe and know about our Creator and Redeemer, the Lord Jesus Christ.
“If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?” Psalm 11:3
It is a well documented fact that the majority of todays professing Christians do NOT believe that any Bible in any language IS the complete and infallible words of God. And Freed is included among this majority.
All Freed was able to produce as alleged “errors” in the King James Bible was a handful of well know early printing errors, all of which were caught and corrected within the first 30 years. The TEXT of the King James Bible has not changed in over 400 years, and it is the only Bible seriously believed by many thousands even today to be the infallible words of God.
One of Freed’s major points was the repeated affirmation that “the differences between the manuscripts don't cause theological differences.”
This simply is not true. There are two types of serious problems with the new Vatican Versions.
The fact that the Vatican is directly involved in creating this “inter confessional” text found in versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB, NET, Holman and the modern Catholic versions like the St. Joseph NAB and the New Jerusalem bible, as well as the Jehovah Witness New World Translation apparently doesn’t bother Freed.
I said: They openly admit that this text is the result of an agreement between the Vatican and the UBS” to which Freed responds - “So what?”
Though Freed doesn’t read my linked articles because he thinks they violate the 1000 word limit, those who are interested in learning the truth about this might want to read “The harlot of Babylon, Revelation 17-18, who is it?”
Whoreof Babylon=Catholic - Another King James Bible Believer
Again, the problem with these versions that nobody seriously believes are the complete and infallible words of God is twofold. One is textual - they omit from THE TEXT some 3000 to 5000 words, often reject the Hebrew readings and add hundreds of words to the Old Testament.
The second big problem is that even when they are using the same texts, the way they have translated them definitely ends up so as to “cause theological differences”.
Those who are interested in delving into this a little deeper than 1000 words limit, might be interested in looking at these concrete 15 examples of where sound doctrines of the Christian faith are either watered down and even perverted in these modern versions.
“Fake Bible Versions DO teach false doctrines” -
#1. Can God be deceived? The NASB says that the children of Israel deceived God. Not just "tried to deceive" or "thought they had deceived" but deceived Him.
http://brandplucked.webs.com/eze149ps7836deceive.htm


#2. Did the Son of God have an "origin from ancient times" or "his goings forth are from everlasting"? Did He have a beginning or is He eternal?
Micah 5:2 "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; WHOSE GOINGS FORTH have been of old, FROM EVERLASTING."

Micah 5:2 - “The NIV - whose ORIGINS are from of old, FROM ANCIENT TIMES."

“Origin from ancient times” - NIV, RSV, ESV, NET, Holman, Jehovah Witness version, more recent Catholic versions




http://brandplucked.webs.com/micah52heb211origin.htm


#3. Who controls the world, God or Satan? 

Several modern fake bibles teach it is Satan -

1 John 5:19 “And we know that we are of God, and the whole world LIETH IN WICKEDNESS.”[bless and do not curse] Wycliffe, Coverdale, Bishops’ Bible, Geneva Bible, Youngs, Third Millenium Bible


The NIV says: "The whole world is UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE EVIL ONE." NASB, ESV, ISV, Holman, Catholic St. Joseph, NET


http://brandplucked.webs.com/satanorgodcontrols.htm
Satan or God controls? - Another King James Bible Believer


#4. Is your righteousness before God the fine linen of the righteousness of Christ, or your "righteous deeds" as several fake bibles and the modern Catholic versions teach?
Revelation 19:8 - “And to her (the Bride of Christ) was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white; FOR THE FINE LINEN IS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF SAINTS."
Revelation 19:8 NKJV, NIV, NASB, ESV, NET, Catholic versions - “for the fine linen is THE RIGHTEOUS ACTS of the saints.”
http://brandplucked.webs.com/rev198finelinen.htm


#5.Can man "speed up" the coming of the day of God's judgment, or is it already marked by God on the calendar to the day and month?
2 Peter 3:12 KJB - "Looking for and HASTING UNTO the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat.”
ESV - "Waiting for and HASTENING the coming of the day of God"
NIV - “as you look forward to the day of God and SPEED ITS COMING.”
http://brandplucked.webs.com/2peter312hastingunto.htm
# 6. Do ghosts, or the departed spirits of the human dead exist? Modern Versions say they do.
http://brandplucked.webs.com/ghosts.htm
Ghosts? - Another King James Bible Believer

#7. Lucifer or morning star? 

Isaiah 14:12 - "How art thou fallen from heaven, O LUCIFER, son of the morning!


LUCIFER - Wycliffe 1395, Coverdale's 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, Bishop's Bible 1568, Douay-Rheims 1582, Geneva Bible 1599, Darby, NKJV 1982


Revelation 22:16 - “I Jesus...am the bright and MORNING STAR.”


Isaiah 14:12 - "How you have fallen from heaven, O MORNING STAR.”


MORNING STAR - NIV, NASB, Holman Standard, RSV, ESV, NET, Catholic St. Joseph NAB, New Jerusalem bible.
http://brandplucked.webs.com/luciferormorningstar.htm
Lucifer or Morning Star?
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8. Fornication or Immorality?

1 Corinthians s 6:18 - "Flee FORNICATION. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth FORNICATION sinneth against his own body."


1 Corinthians 6:18 "Flee from SEXUAL IMMORALITY. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the SEXUALLY IMMORAL PERSON sins against his own body."


IMMORALITY = However you want to define it. What’s immoral for you may not be immoral for me. NIV, NASB, ESV, RSV, NET, Catholic New Jerusalem bible


http://brandplucked.webs.com/fornicationimmoral.htm


#9. Rejoice or Be Proud? Are Pride and Boasting Christian virtues?

Philippians 2:16 “Holding forth the word of life; that I MAY REJOICE in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.”




Philippians 2:16 NIV - "in order that I MAY BOAST in the day of Christ that I did not run or labor for nothing."

ESV "THAT I MAY BE PROUD that I did not run in vain"

BE PROUD, BOAST, GLORY - NASB, NIV, RSV, ESV, NET, Holman


On the day of Christ, when we finally see the full glory of God Almighty, we will not be standing around boasting of our accomplishments and patting one another on the back and telling them how proud we are of them. Nobody will be boasting or proud of his personal accomplishments in the day of the Lord Jesus. Instead we will all be flat on our faces worshipping the Lamb who alone is worthy to receive praise, honour and glory


http://brandplucked.webs.com/mvsprideasvirtue.htm


#10. Heretic or A Divisive Person?

According to the Modern Versions even Jesus Himself should be avoided because He was divisive; but He was not a heretic. Titus 3:10 KJB - “"A man that is an HERETIC after the first and second admonition reject; knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself."




Titus 3:10 NKJV 1982 - "Reject A DIVISIVE MAN after the first and second admonition.” 

A Divisive Person - NKJV, NIV, NASB, ESV, NET


http://brandplucked.webs.com/hereticordivisive.htm
Heretic or Divisive -
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11. Who was with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego in the fiery furnace, “the Son of God” or “a son of the gods”?


Daniel 3:25 - "and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God."
Daniel 3:25 - “and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods.” 

“a son of the gods” - NIV, NASB, RSV, ESV, Holman, Catholic Jerusalem bible, Jehovah Witness New World Version


http://brandplucked.webs.com/dan325thesonofgod.htm
#12. 2 Samuel 14:14 KJB- "Neither doth God respect any person" or
NKJV, NIV, NASB, ESV - "God does not take away life"?
http://brandplucked.webs.com/2sam14luke24.htm
13. "the just shall live by his FAITH" or "the just shall live by his FAITHFULNESS"?
KJB - "Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live BY HIS FAITH."
NIV 1978 and 1982 editions - "See, HE is puffed up; his desires are not upright - but the righteous will live BY HIS FAITH."
NIV 2011 edition - "See, THE ENEMY is puffed up; his desires are not upright - but the righteous PERSON will live by HIS FAITHFULNESS."
There is a world of difference between the just living by faith and the just living by his faithfulness. The first is the principle of living by the faith God has given us to believe the gospel of the grace of God in redeeming us through the sacrifice of Christ on the cross. The second - "the just shall live by his FAITHFULNESS" - is to remove the entire focus away from what Christ has done for us and to place it on ourselves, our performance and our own works.
The big theological question to ask is this - Does the just live by FAITH, meaning by what he believes about what God has done for us in Christ, or by his FAITHFULNESS, meaning how he lives?
The whole Reformation began with God opening the eyes of Martin Luther when he read the passage "The just shall live by his FAITH." He was finally freed from the heavy yoke of trying to obtain his own righteousness through the works and self merit system of the Roman Catholic Church.
http://brandplucked.webs.com/habakkuk24.htm
#14.John 7:8-10 Did Jesus lie or tell the truth? If He lied, then He sinned, and He can't be our Saviour.
KJB -"Go ye up unto this feast: I go not YET unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come. When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee. But when his brethren were gone up, THEN went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret."
ESV, NIV 2011 edition, NASB - "You go to the feast. I AM NOT GOING up to this feast, for my time has not yet fully come. After saying this he remained in Galilee. But after his brothers had gone up to the feast, THEN HE ALSO WENT UP, not publicly but in private." (ESV)
http://brandplucked.webs.com/john78didjesuslie.htm
#15. KJB - Acts 13:33 and Psalms 2:7 "Thou are my Son, THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE."
NIV, NET - "You are my son; TODAY I HAVE BECOME YOUR FATHER."
In the true Bible Acts 13:33 speaks of the day the Son of God was raised from the dead and became the firstborn from the dead (Col. 1:18) and the first begotten of the dead (Rev. 1:5).
The fake bibles teach that the was a time when God became the Father of the Son, and thus the Son is not from everlasting to everlasting.
http://brandplucked.webs.com/acts1333thisdaybegotte.htm
If you want to have the complete and inerrant words of God, then get yourself the King James Bible. All the evidence - historical, textual, theological and the witness of God Himself for 400 years now - all testify to the King James Bible as being the true “book of the LORD” - Isaiah 34:16
Again, I thank you for your times and interest in this most vital subject of our Christian faith. God bless,
Will Kinney