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Featured For many are called, but few are chosen!

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by HenSoma-OneBody, Feb 24, 2021.

  1. Davy

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    Very deep subject, takes a lot of Bible study. The matter is about spiritual blindness vs. accountability. Recall how Apostle Paul was once a Pharisee and persecuted Christians, even holding the coats of those who stoned Christ's prophet Stephen. Yet he did it in ignorance, even as Paul himself said. Contrast Paul with the example in Hebrews 5 of one being given undeniable proof of God and the powers of the world to come, but then turns away. Can one given proof that turns away be given another chance? It's not really up to us to decide, but I believe that is the unpardonable sin that will not be forgiven in this world nor in the next, and that it can only be committed by one of Christ's elect that has been given proof. It would be as if Apostle Paul refused to follow Christ when He struck Paul down on the road to Damascus to bring Paul into His service. Paul would be committing the unpardonable sin.
     
  2. HenSoma-OneBody

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    Thank you for your comments on this difficult subject Davy.
     
  3. hedrick

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    Some commentaries note that in Semitic practice, "many" often means "all" and "few" means not all. That would be consistent, since the whole world is brought in, but only one is found without a proper robe.
     
  4. HenSoma-OneBody

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    I see.
     
  5. BBAS 64

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    Good Day,

    With in the historical context of a royal wedding the wedding clothes are provided by the King , he choses who will attend the wedding and who will not.

    In Him,

    Bill
     
  6. HenSoma-OneBody

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    The beauty of this is that He invited everyone regardless of their condition. Once they were there, He chose from among those called. He did this according to His criteria and not based on what those who were called may have thought.
     
  7. Nathan@work

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    The man without the robe obviously had rejected it when entering the feast.

    The King would not have invited them without giving them the garment, and most certainly would not have asked where his was if he was rejected one or it was not offered.
     
  8. BBAS 64

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    So... this "man" went knowing he would be offered clothing, and went knowing he would refuse it.

    Kind of illogical for sure and certainly that would be an assertion from silence but OK...

    In Him,

    Bill
     
  9. BNR32FAN

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    All are called by the grace of God but few are written in the book of life according to His foreknowledge of those who would abide in Christ and endure to the end.
     
  10. Nathan@work

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    He may or may not have known he would be offered clothing. That would not be the point. The clothing was not offered at the invitation to come to the feast, it was offered to the guests when they got there.

    The point is we know he was offered it, and we know he was not wearing it. I highly doubt it was because it did not fit. ;)

    Man is illogical to a fault. The silence he had was a self-imposed silence - meaning he realized he made an illogical decision.
     
  11. hedrick

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    I checked 3 commentaries. One mentioned this. Here's what it said:

    "Some hold that hosts may have provided wedding garments to guests at the door, for which there is some but slight evidence (Bultmann 1968: 202 cites b. Shab. 152b; cf. 2 Kings 10:22). But most commentators think that “wedding garments” refer simply to clean garments as opposed to soiled ones; to come to a wedding in a soiled garment insulted the host, and this host was in no further mood to be insulted."

    Keener, C. S. (2009). The Gospel of Matthew: A Socio-Rhetorical Commentary (p. 522).

    The other 2 commentaries didn't mention this possibility at all.
     
  12. TheTrueWay

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    I find this so discouraging. I don't remember anything being said about this when people shared about becoming a Christian with me. I became more aware later. Not wanting to derail the thread but when discussions like this are had it just seems to be a different to that which I was taught in the beginning and even later which emphasises love and blessing but little about the hard stuff!
     
  13. Nathan@work

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    Revelation 6, 7, and 19 are good insight to the fact that robes are given.

    Not to mention a lot of historical material also describes it.
     
  14. Nathan@work

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    Just because you read it on the internet doesn’t mean it’s true. ;)
     
  15. hedrick

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    Right. I think what he heard originally is closer to the truth.
     
  16. Davy

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    There's a lot in God's Word that is of hard understanding for those on the 'milk' of God's Word. The "strong meat" is required to 'get' the hard stuff. And that "strong meat" doesn't come from man, it comes from studying God's Word His way, by The Holy Spirit. No man can intercede in that respect, and that's what many lack in their Bible study. Wait until you get into understanding when it was that Satan committed the very first sin in the old world.
     
  17. BNR32FAN

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    Yes unfortunately there are many who think they have it figured out except every once in a while they come across scriptures that they just can’t understand because they refute their theology. So people will often search for ways to skirt around the message or just skip it all together in order to hang on to their doctrines. John 15:1-10 is one of these that many people will just refuse to accept for what it clearly says.
     
  18. Fervent

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    Considering the parable is about the original wedding guests refusing and the invitation going to another group, the punchline "many are called, but few are chosen" likely is a play on words involving the status of the Jews as the "chosen people." To extend this to a teaching on soteriology isn't entirely appropriate because as with a lot of Jesus' parables it is prophetic in nature. It's better linked with "You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to." which follows in Matthew 23 than with John's discussions or parables from earlier in Matthew.
     
  19. Nathan@work

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    If you look at what is written, it is better if you apply what He said to what He was saying in the previous chapter.

    It starts off with “And again....”

    Chapter and verse numbers are there only to help, but sometimes cause us confusion.
     
  20. Fervent

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    Whether you're connecting it with what preceded in Matthew 21, or what follows in 23 it remains connected with the removal of the kingdom from the Jews. The discourses prior to the passion are all about the prophetic nature of the removal of the kingdom, and that it is the Jews own disobedience that creates it which is demonstrated in both the parables and with the increasing treachery of his opponents.
     
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