Food Stamps - The Black Hole

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So basically you're a socialist who wants to make everyone happy and secure by just giving them money whenever they are between jobs even if they have big fancy TVs, ok then.

No, but it's not a bipolar proposition either. We have gotten into extreme thinking - North pole or South pole. There are 180 degrees of arc in between.

Fortunately, one candidate for President who can meet in the middle.

Mitt Romney for President.
 
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Mitt has no plan. "I create jobs out of thin air" is the plan. Same as we hear from all politicians that run for office every time. I'm not buying what he;s selling. We have a slow recovery going on right now and I'm sticking with what we have not going back to 2008 style economics.
 
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No, but it's not a bipolar proposition either. We have gotten into extreme thinking - North pole or South pole. There are 180 degrees of arc in between.

Fortunately, one candidate for President who can meet in the middle.

Mitt Romney for President.

You're as vague as your candidate.
 
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Mitt has no plan. "I create jobs out of thin air" is the plan. Same as we hear from all politicians that run for office every time. I'm not buying what he;s selling. We have a slow recovery going on right now and I'm sticking with what we have not going back to 2008 style economics.

A lot of people have noted that there's is no real way of going back to how things were (as that was a part of how we got into the mess we're in today). But I do agree with you that Mitt really doesn't have a plan that is really crucial in bringing any real change, with much of it being based more so on emotional rhetoric (i.e. claiming "I'll get jobs and lower taxes" and yet showing no logic in how that will happen and avoiding where his plan required government funding when RomneyCare happened in his state and that was about raising taxes). Although I don't agree with all things that the president does, I am glad that they called Romeny out on a host of things. It's ironic that there was discussion from him about being against cutting teachers from jobs/saying he didn't know where people would think such---and yet he was already known directly for saying that he was FOR Cutting back on teachers/other professions (to the applause of the crowds he was trying to win).

Mitt Romney Claims He Wants More Teachers: Not True

Anyone who believes him wants to be lied to and accepts it...
 
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Mitt has no plan. "I create jobs out of thin air" is the plan. Same as we hear from all politicians that run for office every time. I'm not buying what he;s selling. We have a slow recovery going on right now and I'm sticking with what we have not going back to 2008 style economics.

Recovery is in peril. Let's read today's economic news.

Part 1: Treasuries Rise Most in Almost Two Weeks on IMF Cuts - Bloomberg

Part 2: Earnings Growth Disappears as Spending Cuts Hit Limit- Bloomberg
 
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Mitt has no plan. "I create jobs out of thin air" is the plan. Same as we hear from all politicians that run for office every time. I'm not buying what he;s selling. We have a slow recovery going on right now and I'm sticking with what we have not going back to 2008 style economics.
Hi, rturner. :wave:

I'm going to go with the fella who knows what the national debt is. I'm astounded beyond words that Obama doesn't know, or can't admit, that we are $16 trillion in debt. ^_^
 
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Hi, rturner. :wave:

I'm going to go with the fella who knows what the national debt is. I'm astounded beyond words that Obama doesn't know, or can't admit, that we are $16 trillion in debt. ^_^

Just saw Obama on MSNBC (we were changing channels lol).

Obama's counter-attack from the debate defeat is to play up "Big Bird"

Pitiful, really.
 
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The same "fella" who'e gonna "fix it" for everybody? It's nothing but campaign promises the same as we hear every 4 years. Where are these jobs going to come from that he is going to create? When taxes got cut last time no new jobs were created. Why will it be different this time?
 
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Speak of vague and without point....

So how exactly is reducing or eliminating food stamps, thereby causing those in financial distress to be in even more dire financial distress, going to improve the economy or living standards in the US? I can see how doing that would hasten an unemployed person's descent into bankruptcy, but I'm not seeing how it would create more jobs or improve the economy or do anything except slightly increase tax revenue, in effect transferring wealth from the poorest among us back to the government.
 
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So how exactly is reducing or eliminating food stamps, thereby causing those in financial distress to be in even more dire financial distress, going to improve the economy or living standards in the US? I can see how doing that would hasten an unemployed person's descent into bankruptcy, but I'm not seeing how it would create more jobs or improve the economy or do anything except slightly increase tax revenue, in effect transferring wealth from the poorest among us back to the government.

Where did I say anything about cutting food stamps?
 
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Where did I say anything about cutting food stamps?

You implied cutting back on food was the way to go by saying the solution was somewhere in the middle, the middle being somewhere between food stamps and no food stamps. Unless you're actually a proponent of food stamps in which case I don't know why you're voting Republican, those guys think poor people are just lazy and deserve to go without food if they lose their jobs.
 
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You implied cutting back on food was the way to go by saying the solution was somewhere in the middle, the middle being somewhere between food stamps and no food stamps. Unless you're actually a proponent of food stamps in which case I don't know why you're voting Republican, those guys think poor people are just lazy and deserve to go without food if they lose their jobs.


DollIsMine...you are very mistaken and it is sad to see. If you are very young, still in or just leaving schools, I could understand your position, for you just haven't entered the real world yet and believe all the red silliness taught there....otherwise you need to take the blinders off.

First...when people have jobs they don't need food stamps. Romney is the one that can do that for America....Obama hasn't and won't.

Second...Republicans don't want anyone to go without food. They want people to have jobs so they can provide for their families. Romney is the one that can do that for America...Obama hasn't and won't.

Third...Republicans want to build the economy and energy is a big part of that. By providing our own from our own resources we provide jobs, stop borrowing from China, stop enriching enemy nations. Romney is the one that can do that for America...Obama hasn't and WON'T!


Obama has a record you can look at...a record of failure. So, believe the liberal rhetoric or vote for America. Vote Romney/Ryan.
 
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We have to many people dipping into the melting pot without contributing, we need to get people back to work in good paying jobs.

We have been too long with over 10% of our work force unemployed or under-employed. (don't listen to the unemployment numbers, they are padded and meaningless[used by both parties, but still meaningless.], they don't include those that gave up, took early retirement, took a lesser job just to survive.)

We need job growth, Obama hasn't done it, his plans don't seem to change much from previous, thus I must assume nothing will change much if he is re-elected.
 
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You implied cutting back on food was the way to go by saying the solution was somewhere in the middle, the middle being somewhere between food stamps and no food stamps. Unless you're actually a proponent of food stamps in which case I don't know why you're voting Republican, those guys think poor people are just lazy and deserve to go without food if they lose their jobs.

No, I didn't.
 
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One of the saddest charts I've seen. How can Obama claim that he has turned things around, we are headed in the right direction, when you look at this data?

Because I understand math, that's how. Do you know what a derivative in math show? It shows the slope of a line/curve at a given point, which tells us the rate of change of that line/curve - e.g. how fast a car is accelerating or in this case, how many more people are going on food stamps every month.

That line's slope is going to be highest when the line itself is the steepest. We can see from your chart that the line for # of people on food stamps was steepest (i.e. it was increasing most quickly) around the middle of '09 and since then, it has gotten less steep. Since about Aug '11, it's been almost flat - that means amount of increase in food stamp roles is almost zero. That line slope went from about 1 in Aug 09 to almost 0 now. Rather than expanding, things have leveled out - and that means things are getting better. If you were to project that same curve outward another couple years, you'd see that the overall number of people on food stamps would start to decline.

-Dan.
 
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Because I understand math, that's how. Do you know what a derivative in math show? It shows the slope of a line/curve at a given point, which tells us the rate of change of that line/curve - e.g. how fast a car is accelerating or in this case, how many more people are going on food stamps every month.

That line's slope is going to be highest when the line itself is the steepest. We can see from your chart that the line for # of people on food stamps was steepest (i.e. it was increasing most quickly) around the middle of '09 and since then, it has gotten less steep. Since about Aug '11, it's been almost flat - that means amount of increase in food stamp roles is almost zero. That line slope went from about 1 in Aug 09 to almost 0 now. Rather than expanding, things have leveled out - and that means things are getting better. If you were to project that same curve outward another couple years, you'd see that the overall number of people on food stamps would start to decline.

-Dan.

Wrong on multiple accounts

1. Not my chart. Not a big deal, but I didn't post it.
2. The last 3 months of this year all 3 show a M/M increase, not a flat line.
3. Even if the line was flat, there has been no improvement, and we still have a record number of Americans on food stamps.
 
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