Food for Thought

[Fantine]

What the end of Roe v. Wade could mean in a nation without child care aid or family leave (msn.com)

We know the Supreme Court's answer: "not our business"

We know the Republican Party's answer: "not our problem"

We know the Democratic Party's answer: We have tried to extend the increased tax credit to reduce child poverty and Manchin and Republicans stopped us.
We have tried to enact paid family leave and managed to get unpaid leave in larger companies, but Republicans stopped us from doing more.

If Republicans win in 2022, America has a problem!

I realize that techology means that there may be fewer jobs in the future. Pushing women out of the workforce would solve that problem. Doing so without higher minimum wages, universal health care, and other benefits means America has a problem!!

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

That is why "Anti-Abortion" is not necessarily "Pro-Life".

 

[SavedByGrace3]

As as republican Christian, thousands of Churches across the land give millions and millions of $ to single parent families. Our family has given thousands of $ over a period of decades.
You know not of what you speak.
The solution is certainly not to kill them.
As a senior citizen, I know we are a problem also. Please do not try to help us!

 

[sandman]

You do understand this does not end abortion. It just goes back to the states...where it should be.
Everything after that is pure speculation.....

 

[Fantine]

Then you think it is wise not to consider the consequences of government policies.
For example we saw the result of the temporary expanded child tax credit.
Child poverty reduced by 50%.
And we will see the effects of its end. Poverty goes back to its original rate.
Perhaps red states should prepare for more babies (even though they do an inadequate job with the ones already born.) Ending abortion is not a bad thing if society mans up to its responsibility.

 

[com7fy8]

I agree that caring for our new babies is included in being pro-life.

Being pro-love is good. If you love your unborn, and love the new babies and our older children, this will effect how we do things.

But I see how it is not the responsibility of politics to get us to love. But the government can help.

And yes there are individuals and churches who have helped women and their children. We need personal helping, so we can be personally loving the ones we help. Government programs can be unable to make sure the personal loving is done, but government workers can do their share of the personal support while they do their practical jobs.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

As as republican Christian, thousands of Churches across the land give millions and millions of $ to single parent families.

I hear that but then children still go hungry.
According to the official poverty measure, 11.6 million children — 16% of all kids nationwide — were living in poverty in 2020. This total has increased by more than one million children since 2019. The data also reveal that poverty rates remain disproportionately high for children of color.

 

[hislegacy]

We know the Republican Party's answer: "not our problem"

I would ask that you back that statement up with proof. Either that or kindly correct the error.

 

[Fantine]

OK. Republican politicians say "not my problem." Republican individuals may be individually generous while supporting Republican politicians who make their personal generosity (woefully inadequate as personal generosity is) desperately necessary.

Just look at everything they've opposed since 1/20/21 and you have your answer

 

[public hermit]

What the end of Roe v. Wade could mean in a nation without child care aid or family leave (msn.com)

We know the Supreme Court's answer: "not our business"

We know the Republican Party's answer: "not our problem"

We know the Democratic Party's answer: We have tried to extend the increased tax credit to reduce child poverty and Manchin and Republicans stopped us.
We have tried to enact paid family leave and managed to get unpaid leave in larger companies, but Republicans stopped us from doing more.

If Republicans win in 2022, America has a problem!

I realize that techology means that there may be fewer jobs in the future. Pushing women out of the workforce would solve that problem. Doing so without higher minimum wages, universal health care, and other benefits means America has a problem!!

It's reasonable for those who want to change Roe and state laws should also help with the consequences of that, be what they may.

This is the time for all Christians that are for changing Roe to unite and organize, preparing to stand in the gap. Set up and fund the means for caring for babies conceived under horrendous circumstances. There needs to be more space for mothers and abused women who don't want another baby and have no options. Whatever, the results will come; ensuring this change carries responsibility. It could be met if Christians united for more than voting. And if it doesn't happen, it appears as if love and compassion for life wasn't the motivating factor. It looks like mere control was the goal and who cares about the consequences.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

You do understand this does not end abortion. It just goes back to the states...where it should be.
Everything after that is pure speculation.....

Not speculating, just paying attention. A lot of red states right now have laws outright prohibiting abortions at any time except for a few rare cases. The only thing stopping them from being enforced is Roe v. Wade. Most of them are something known as “Trigger Laws”. They were passed knowing they can’t be enforced at the moment but set to take affect immediately when Roe v. Wade is overturned.

Arkansas has a law on the books right now. No abortions except in the case of medical emergency for the mother. https://advance.lexis.com/documentpage/?pdmfid=1000516&crid=8e143283-9ef2-475d-8aa9-0c26ee715aea&pdistocdocslideraccess=true&config=00JAA2ZjZiM2VhNS0wNTVlLTQ3NzUtYjQzYy0yYWZmODJiODRmMDYKAFBvZENhdGFsb2fXiYCnsel0plIgqpYkw9PK&pddocfullpath=/shared/document/statutes-legislation/urn:contentItem:5VP3-XJT0-R03K-50GB-00008-00&pdcomponentid=234171&pdtocnodeidentifier=AAFAAHAACAAEAAF&ecomp=pghckkk&prid=ffce55be-acb2-4261-823f-7a08f76350a2

Louisiana has the same thing [COLOR=var(--accent-color)]https://legis.la.gov/Legis/Law.aspx?d=97020[/COLOR]

Missouri as well
[COLOR=var(--accent-color)]https://revisor.mo.gov/main/OneSection.aspx?section=188.017#:~:text=188.017.,of%20the%20Unborn%20Child%20Act%22.[/COLOR]

So does Oklahoma
[COLOR=var(--accent-color)]http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2021-22%20ENGR/SB/SB612%20ENGR.PDF[/COLOR]

As does South Dakota
[COLOR=var(--accent-color)]https://sdlegislature.gov/Statutes/Codified_Laws/2047216[/COLOR]

Tennessee does as well [COLOR=var(--accent-color)]https://legiscan.com/TN/text/SB1257/2019[/COLOR]

Additionally, North Dakota and Wyoming each have a law on the books except for in cases of medical emergency, rape, or incest [COLOR=var(--accent-color)]https://ndlegis.gov/assembly/60-2007/bill-text/HBEU0600.pdf[/COLOR]

[COLOR=var(--accent-color)]https://www.wyoleg.gov/Legislation/2022/HB0092[/COLOR]

Mississippi has one for the medical emergency of the mother or if there is a rape charge filed [COLOR=var(--accent-color)]https://law.justia.com/codes/mississippi/2015/title-41/chapter-41/performance-of-abortion-consent/section-41-41-45#:~:text=41%20-%20PUBLIC%20HEALTH-,Chapter%2041%20-%20SURGICAL%20OR%20MEDICAL%20PROCEDURES%3B%20CONSENTS,-45%20-%20Abortion%20prohibited%3B%20exceptions[/COLOR]

Utah also has exceptions for health of the mother, rape, incest, and fetal deformities [COLOR=var(--accent-color)]https://le.utah.gov/~2020/bills/static/sb0174.html[/COLOR]

 

[Sparagmos]

It's reasonable for those who want to change Roe and state laws should also help with the consequences of that, be what they may.

This is the time for all Christians that are for changing Roe to unite and organize, preparing to stand in the gap. Set up and fund the means for caring for babies conceived under horrendous circumstances. There needs to be more space for mothers and abused women who don't want another baby and have no options. Whatever, the results will come; ensuring this change carries responsibility. It could be met if Christians united for more than voting. And if it doesn't happen, it appears as if love and compassion for life wasn't the motivating factor. It looks like mere control was the goal and who cares about the consequences.

There are countless people in need now that Christians aren’t helping. Why would that change? There are babies right now in the U.S. (mostly in conservative states that don’t have good safety nets) that don’t have adequate care.

 

[public hermit]

There are countless people in need now that Christians aren’t helping. Why would that change? There are babies right now in the U.S. (mostly in conservative states that don’t have good safety nets) that don’t have adequate care.

I'm with you; you're preaching to the choir.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I hear that but then children still go hungry.
According to the official poverty measure, 11.6 million children — 16% of all kids nationwide — were living in poverty in 2020. This total has increased by more than one million children since 2019. The data also reveal that poverty rates remain disproportionately high for children of color.

So it has increased since Biden took office?

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

So it has increased since Biden took office?

This compared child poverty numbers from 2019-2020. Biden wasn’t in office until 2021.

 

[KCfromNC]

I would ask that you back that statement up with proof.

For starters, their attempt to take health insurance away from millions of US families with zero plan for what to do next.

 

[Fantine]

Even pro-lifers are concerned.

Self-described 'pro-life feminist': 'We're not ready to overturn Roe' (yahoo.com)

Destiny Herndon-De La Rosa, founder of New Wave Feminists, an anti-abortion group that advocates support for mothers before and after birth, said in an interview with Yahoo News. “Legally, I understand it is a very, very big deal. But at the heart of the matter, is it going to actually help women choose life? I don’t know that it will. Because the systems that are currently in place are not set up to support women in the future. And that is a really, really scary thing.”

In an op-ed published in the New York Times on Saturday, Patrick T. Brown, a fellow at the conservative Ethics and Public Policy Center, expressed a similar sentiment: “The end of Roe will mean that pro-family rhetoric will need to be backed up with policy proposals that match.”

The Ethics and Public Policy Center sounds like a good resource for evaluating conservative candidates.

 

[Desk trauma]

Even pro-lifers are concerned.

Self-described 'pro-life feminist': 'We're not ready to overturn Roe' (yahoo.com)

Bit late now.

Five decades wasn’t enough time for a plan to be made?

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Bit late now.

Five decades wasn’t enough time for a plan to be made?

7 years wasn’t long enough for Republicans to figure out a replacement for the ACA.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Even pro-lifers are concerned.

Self-described 'pro-life feminist': 'We're not ready to overturn Roe' (yahoo.com)

I heard an interview on NPR over the weekend (I think it might have been on This American Life) with an anti-abortion activist protesting at the only abortion clinic in Mississippi. She said that she would like to see her movement transition into providing maternity support and childcare if Roe is overturned, but it begs the question of why they wouldn't be laying the groundwork now. Those sorts of services don't just spring up overnight, and having them available now would, IMO, do a lot more towards reducing the number of abortions than protesting in front of an abortion clinic. I'm reminded of Jesus' admonishment about those hypocrites who pray on street corners so that all can see them.