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Follow the Dreamer

Discussion in 'Pentecostal & Assemblies of God' started by rocknanchor, Sep 23, 2021.

  1. rocknanchor

    rocknanchor Continue Well 2 John 9 Supporter

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    How would you begin to simply title the perfect roadmap that leads to the Kingdom of God? While it is true of the many doctrines people hold which we need to be aware, cunningly proclaim divine attributes but, are many times throwbacks to blasphemy.

    And we are aware. Because there is so much diverse instruction in a condensed selection of denominations, one’s decision isn’t necessarily made easier because of what ‘feels’ right or ‘comfortable’. Be honest, has God’s word to you always proven, comfortable? Yet ‘joy’ and ‘peace’ should always be right there at our side and, not the ‘rod of correction’.

    ‘Delight yourself in the LORD, and he will give you the desires of your heart.’

    If I may, how would I title such an error-proof roadmap, one that may direct the candidate to see increase from Him in what he has sown?

    Trickle-Dream Christ’s Doctrine

    Lord knows we have plenty of impatient dissension that has dreamt doctrine up to go around.

    ‘For the kingdom of God is, , righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost’

    Not the dreamers of Jude 1:8 serving the works of the flesh, but Godly, having their minds set ‘on things above’ (Colossians 3:2).

    Jesus be Praised!
     
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    Deuteronomy 13:3
    "you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul."

    Like Jesus tells us in the bible we best get His Words living in us.
    Revelation 1
    "The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near."

    Like Jesus promises those who follow Him.
    "And I bestow upon you a kingdom, just as My Father bestowed one upon Me,"
     
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    rocknanchor Continue Well 2 John 9 Supporter

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    Hi 'Jeshu'. Good points, is Deut 13:3 there to reduce the desires of the heart?

    Would love to hear your title try!
     
  4. Jeshu

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    Dine On Him, His Word Brought To Life.

    In context i understand this to mean that we have to watch out for those who would feed themselves dreaming about God's kingdom, also within our own heart we often finds such dreamers. God wants us to love Him sincerely and truthfully. Dreamers never do, they are always in it for themselves. Yet i know we have to purge our hearts and our midst from those who teach us God's kingdom like that, and learn to love Him sincerely and truthfully, for that is the only road to the kingdom - Follow Christ - The Word in Spirit of love for God and neighbour.

    Deuteronomy 13:1-5
    If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the Lord your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
     
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    I would use the most amazing and profound words of Jesus found in the Bible: John 17:3
    this is eternal life, that they know you.
     
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    Always? How does setting one's heart on God's will permit such continued error? Could it be, you would prefer to first qualify 'things above' as appropriate to think about?
     
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    In case any missed it, this thread has incorporated two types of (heart-thought) dreamers.
     
  8. Jeshu

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    Yes i do think we have two type of dreamers, sinful ones and godly ones.
    We have prophetic dreams, but that is not day dreaming or lusting after our desires but real dreams.

    Numbers 12:6
    "he said, “Listen to my words: “When there is a prophet among you, I, the Lord, reveal myself to them in visions, I speak to them in dreams."

    i found than rather than dreaming about the kingdom it is best to attain it.

    For what inner dreamers often forget, i found to be true in my own heart, was that i had to die to in sinful spirit, time and again - before i could have His heavenly Kingdom come true.

    The Words of Jesus ring very true that those who want to keep their lives, will loose it, but those who loose their lives for His name sake will find it.

    So we have to give our dreams to Jesus, die to wanting it like that, finding new life in His Spirit instead, so that then we can have the dream come true without the wicked hiding behind our desires.

    Psalms 37:4
    "Take delight in the Lord, and he will give you the desires of your heart."
     
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    I do agree to a large degree with what you propose. But trying to assign sin on the natural affection of meditation and setting our ‘minds on things above’, yet somehow, don’t set our minds on things above, I don’t think He had that type of hairsplitting thought-life in mind for us which is again, placed upon the doctrine of Christ is frankly confusing.

    I remain unconvinced of the ‘dangers’ of such thoughts, not ambitions, but thoughts as God has shown us to consider in every way,

    “, ,having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience” (Hebrews 10:22)

    That is His job to grant full sanctification. But you seem unconvinced and on edge that dream meditations are an evil imagination although they are set on ‘the obedience of Christ’ (2 Corinthians 10:5).

    There it is, your formal allocation of dreaming well spent, sanctioned by the Holy Spirit himself.
     
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    no i did not mean that the dream is sinful, we the dreamers are and need to be much purified to be able to be able to enter the kingdom that is our dream.

    Like Daniel 12:2 points out
    "Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand."

    The Author of the letter to the Hebrews thought it was important to know that God's Word splits us right up.
    Hebrews 4:12-13
    For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

    Indeed The Word of God works with incredible precision where He separates the sheep from the goats right within us. Not just splitting hairs but splitting atoms i found out to be true.


    Psalm 12:6
    "And the words of the Lord are flawless,
    like silver purified in a crucible,
    like gold refined seven times."
     
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    Very good. Thanks!!
     
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