Flat Earth - It's NOT Ridiculous

[Nithavela]

FE was the main cause and ultimately, God was the first cause.

You're doing a bad job at explaining yourself.

 

[Freodin]

It's called "the great circle" and since it's E/W or W/E, it's not an issue for FE.

Well, it should be.
On a globe "East" and "West" are straight directions, without deviations. While on a flat earth (even on a manifold) it would have to constantly curve.

... or how MANY things like phones, televisions, internet, ect have advanced, yet we still can't leave LEO, still use those ugly pronged electricity sockets, still use copper wire to transfer electricity, and still use combustion engines? Yeah, advanced....

We should have a Trump casino and resort on the moon by now, wireless energy, flying cars, and long since have rid ourselves of combustion engines.

Indeed. With all our modern technology, we should have wireless energy comming from flying cars on the moon.

Just like the much more advanced Sumerians and Egyptians and the Empire of Greater Tartaria, who had all these thing in addition to their internal combustion engines, copper-wired electricity grids, televisions and phones and internets.

 

[Zetetica]

We have left LEO.



If it works...



Why?



This strikes me as an odd argument. How do you gauge how much technology we should and shouldn’t have at any given point?

We've not left LEO in... 60 years? Talk to NASA, would you? Show me a manned mission ANYWHERE beyond LEO since the manned moon missions.

 

[Zetetica]

You're doing a bad job at explaining yourself.

Eh, I'm imperfect. I'm okay with that.

 

[Nithavela]

We've not left LEO in... 60 years? Talk to NASA, would you? Show me a manned mission ANYWHERE beyond LEO since the manned moon missions.

Now you're moving the goalposts.

 

[Zetetica]

Well, it should be.
On a globe "East" and "West" are straight directions, without deviations. While on a flat earth (even on a manifold) it would have to constantly curve.

Indeed. With all our modern technology, we should have wireless energy comming from flying cars on the moon.

Just like the much more advanced Sumerians and Egyptians and the Empire of Greater Tartaria, who had all these thing in addition to their internal combustion engines, copper-wired electricity grids, televisions and phones and internets.

Humor or...

 

[A Realist]

5) Lack of evidence for North to South or South to North circumnavigation.

The Expedition - Transglobe Expedition
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/first-circumnavigation-via-both-poles-surface
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/pole-to-pole-pan-am-flight-50/index.html

 

[Zetetica]

No

Now you're moving the goalposts.

No, I thought I was clearly speaking present tense about LEO?

 

[Kaon]

So how does a flat planer explain why ALL other planets are spheres but the earth isn't?

You actually saw other celestial bodies, or are you saying they are spheres because of pictures you saw?

Have you look at a planet or star through a high focus camera or telescope? Are you sure you aren't seeing lights?

As I said, "flat" is the misnomer; it is not flat.

 

[Kaon]

I'm 34 and the experience was horrific, though only because so much of my identity was clearly tied to my prior views. It's no underestimation to say i was a disagree junkie since childhood. FE hit me hard and since I was someone who believed the deep state was overall good (my view of good was upsidedown), FE just hurt. Also, it hurt because I was a firm Luciferian, entirely enveloped in the occult, convinced of my dogma. It hurt more because while I knew (not believed) certain conspiraces were fact (and denied them as such in public), and accepted the reasons for the conspiraces were "good", FE was simply too big to just ignore or lie about.

God tore down my world, and I thank him for it. Through FE, he woke me up, put my head straight, and brought me right to himself. I'm not being dramatic when I say NOTHING else could have brought me to God but this. However, if it turns out false, I won't go running back to mindlessly accepting what I'm told. I'll stops question it all and I'll remain with God. After all, God didn't tell me Earth is flat. He simply used FE to bring me home. If it's false, God used my own deception to bring me home and I can live with that fine.

Right. I have presented a model that is technically simpler than a ball earth spinning with a certain moment of inertia at high angular velocity - also through space at high angular velocity and linear velocity. The implications of a plane of existence are a lot less alarming, and it actually matches direct observation. However, it is a model I present. I don't know for sure either, as I have never seen for myself this plane of existence from a perspective that would allow me to gauge its geometry. However, the entire spiritual paradigm of FET is teaching me things I wouldn't have learned before.

 

[Zetetica]

You actually saw other celestial bodies, or are you saying they are spheres because of pictures you saw?

Have you look at a planet or star through a high focus camera or telescope? Are you sure you aren't seeing lights?

As I said, "flat" is the misnomer; it is not flat.

The overall topography is flat. I think that's fair to say. Yes, there are hills and valleys, mountains, and so on. However, counting the mass of water, overall, as a unit, it's flat.

However, I agree with your term "plane" as it's far more accurate. We live on and in a plane.

 

[Zetetica]

Right. I have presented a model that is technically simpler than a ball earth spinning with a certain moment of inertia at high angular velocity - also through space at high angular velocity and linear velocity. The implications of a plane of existence are a lot less alarming, and it actually matches direct observation. However, it is a model I present. I don't know for sure either, as I have never seen for myself this plane of existence from a perspective that would allow me to gauge its geometry. However, the entire spiritual paradigm of FET is teaching me things I wouldn't have learned before.

FET?

Also, well put!

 

[Freodin]

Humor or...

Humorously pointing out the flaws in your reasoning.

First, there is the problem of "we should have X and Y by now." That is not a valid conclusion. There simply is no "rule" for what should be invented when... and it completely ignores that differences between the real world, with all its complexities, and science fiction.

Second, there is the problem that, quite obviously, we do have a lot more and better technology than those old cultures had. You can lament about the cars with combustion motors and the copper wired electricity transmission. But these "outdated" technologies allow you to light your house, operate your computer and transport you in short time over large distances. The Sumerians or Egyptians didn't have any of that.

So your criticism is a) invalid and b) from a high horse position.

 

[JackRT]

If we examine our local universe there are a number of observations that must be consistently explained:

1. tidal effects on earth


2. moon's near side "locked' to earth

3. phases of the moon

4. retardation of the moon's 'rising'

5. seasons of the earth

6. seasonal 24 hour days and nights in the arctic and antarctic

7. coreolis effects on earth

8. Foucault's pendulum

9. precession of the earth's axis

10. apparent daily rotation of the "fixed stars" about the pole star

11. this rotation being in opposite directions at the two poles

12. motion of the "wandering stars" (planets) including retrograde motion

13. earth-moon centre of gravity orbits

14. eclipses of the sun, moon and planets

15. northern and southern lights

16. meteors, asteroids and comets

17. moons and/or rings around other planets

18. people in the southern hemisphere observe the moon "upside down" relative to those in the northern hemisphere

19. there are certainly other effects that I have missed

There is only one self consistent model/theory that explains all of these observations and that is the present cosmology of our solar system. This does not explain why these objects behave as they do, it only provides a very refined model that accounts for all the observed effects.

Now add into this the experimentally verified non-relativistic laws of motion and of gravity, known as Newtonian or classical mechanics, and we now have the why that explains the model in a near perfect manner. It is so successful that it has enabled us to send people into earth and moon orbits, to the moon itself and return to earth. We have been able to navigate probes to all the planets and beyond. People have stood on our moon and observed our planet rotating in front of them in real time. Any other cosmology finds it necessary to suspend known laws of science, hypothesize supernatural intervention and invoke a conspiracy theory extending over centuries involving tens of millions of people a great many of whom are Christian.

 

[Freodin]

The overall topography is flat. I think that's fair to say. Yes, there are hills and valleys, mountains, and so on. However, counting the mass of water, overall, as a unit, it's flat.

However, I agree with your term "plane" as it's far more accurate. We live on and in a plane.

Mathematically, the surface of a sphere is also a plane.
You might be surprised to learn that Kaon does accept the curved nature of earth... even over "flat" water.
But I guess such fundamental differences are irrelevant if you can stand united again the heretical globe believers.

 

[Zetetica]

Mathematically, the surface of a sphere is also a plane.
You might be surprised to learn that Kaon does accept the curved nature of earth... even over "flat" water.
But I guess such fundamental differences are irrelevant if you can stand united again the heretical globe believers.

Heretical globe believers? Funny but not at all how I view those who hold the beliefs I once was so certain of.

 

[Freodin]

The main problem with a difference between a "plane" earth (in whatever form) and a "spherical" earth is one of distance.
The surface of a sphere is a finite, but unlimited surface. The surface of a "plane" earth would be finite and limited.

That means that for every point on a sphere, at any distance and direction on that surface, you would land on another point on that surface.
On a planar earth, you would have an "edge"... a set of points where in some direction and distances, you would (mathematically) leave that plane.

There is no evidence of such an "edge" on our planet. It is not an observation that needs to be explained by mathematical systems.
Flat Earther's like to claim that we are prevented from finding this edge. Beyond the practical problems of such a proposal... this IS the definition of a conspiracy theory.

 

[Freodin]

Heretical globe believers? Funny but not at all how I view those who hold the beliefs I once was so certain of.

It is also very irrelevant... but of course you would respond to the irrelevant part only and ignore all the rest.

 

[Kaon]

... or how MANY things like phones, televisions, internet, ect have advanced, yet we still can't leave LEO, still use those ugly pronged electricity sockets, still use copper wire to transfer electricity, and still use combustion engines? Yeah, advanced....

We should have a Trump casino and resort on the moon by now, wireless energy, flying cars, and long since have rid ourselves of combustion engines.

Perhaps we do, but it won't sell well (yet) on a consumer basis. Besides, too many people wouldn't be able to handle that paradigm shift now: look at the culture and class war we have with each other.

If you remember about sci-fi films, they don't allow people into the Galactic Federation (brotherhood of space, etc) unless 1) you are a warp society/capable of FTL travel, and 2) you are "at one" on the planet - meaning the world is globalized.

What we are witnessing in the world today (wars, greed, hate, ignorance) are the things that have to happen in order to get us to that point at which we already reside - which is deceptively utopian, and in reality is dystopian.

 

[Kaon]

FET?

Also, well put!

Flat Earth Theory.