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Flat Earth and NASA Deception

Discussion in 'Conspiracy Theories' started by patrick jane, Feb 9, 2019.

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  1. Radagast

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    If he's got a cellular device, he's got Internet.
     
  2. d taylor

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    Only when he is in certain places,
     
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    You appear to be confusing technology with companies providing a service. We have the technology to make jets that fly Mach 2.5, but that doesn't mean everyone in the world gets to fly on one. The technology to transmit data over millions of miles has ZERO to do with why rural Mississippi doesn't have Internet (or more accurately broadband, because anyone with a phone can have dial-up).

    I explained it in my previous post - the state just isn't wired for broadband. I found one map and it looks like there's a few hot spots around Oxford and Starkville because of UofM and MSU, but otherwise the state simply isn't wired and the only way to get high speed Internet is using satellites which are very expensive. Coaxial cable and high density fiber are cheaper, but they cost money to install and maintain and it appears much of rural Mississippi isn't profitable enough for AT&T, Frontier, Comcast, etc. to put broadband infrastructure into place. Again, this isn't a technology issue, but market issue.
     
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    Because Mr. Breland lives in a state where it's not worth it for service providers to put in the infrastructure for broadband Internet. If Mr. Breland moved to another state, or to a larger city, he would have access to broadband.
     
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    But the days in the south do get longer in the summer...

    The midnight sun is visible in Antarctica...

    I live in the southern part of Australia, and the same effects of approaching the pole happen here. (How on Earth could days get longer in the South without you seeing a vast increase in speed.)

    Also, you don't understand why the tilt heats or cools the planet. It isn't the extra distance that makes the difference in heat, it's the length of the days the angle to the Sun.
     
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    We have done our own research.

    Flight path, and in fact, all global navigation is based upon the globe model.
     
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    Jesus said that faith in Him is not dependent upon such things.

    He made the statement that "one rising from the dead" would not be enough to convince the unbelieving to believe.
     
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    So then, ... you SEE the FULLNESS of God's creation. Do you SEE the wind ? God says that you can't. Do you see germs, electricity, magnetic waves, radio waves, etc. ???
     
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    Bet you all get TV ... and radio. How do you think that happens ???
     
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    Other religions claim the Earth is flat, too. Even if it was proven tomorrow that the Earth was flat, why would that lead people to Christianity over the other religions that say the same thing?
     
  11. Radagast

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    Exactly. This is what a January day looks like. Makes no sense on a flat earth at all:

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  12. patrick jane

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    It makes perfect sense in a flat earth with a close and small sun. That images makes no sense on a ball.
     
  13. patrick jane

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    Because our Bible is accurate. Sure, some might be Judaiziers or Muslims but there would also be more Christians. I think you miss the point of just how many people disregard God because of the pseudoscience of cosmology.
     
  14. patrick jane

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    Question what we're being told is objective reality. I reject the globe because there is a huge difference between the science of concepts and ideas and the science and study of objective reality. Real science and real physics tell me I'm not living on the exterior of a globular earth. Just because you see the image of the globe on your TV or computer screen doesn't make it real. Sophistry, language and argumentation has been devised to prop it up.

    The spinning pressurized rock in a vacuum. When we talk science we're talking about the science of understanding objective reality, how substances interact with each other, real physics. With gas pressures it is impossible to maintain any kind of pressure within a medium like a vacuum unless you have containment.

    Pseudoscience, astrophysics, non demonstrable and non falsifiable. All bodies of water including rivers must be bending and curving. This is not objective science. As soon as science moves away from empirical evidence it fails. Theoretical physics is a construct of a man's imagination.

    If we are to deny our physical reality it must be done with practical demonstration. The globe cannot stand up to scrutiny as they can only ridicule, offer fallacious reasoning and alleged logic to try explaining our demonstrable physical reality away.

    They use sophisticated language to point "optical phenomena" like ships disappearing below curvature from the bottom up. Visible space is different than tangible space. When dealing with optical phenomena we are dealing with contradictory and inconclusive results. When we look over a body of water we know it is flat and level. The globe proponents are forced to jump to the optical phenomena and make unproven assertions.

    The globe model must ignore and explain away so much that it can't stand.

    This is why in 2019 for YT they are targeting flat earth content. They have been for well over a year now. Mainstream, respected and trusted science experts go out of their way to speak to flat earth. Why, if it's so unrealistic? Why is YT promoting and upgrading flat earth debunking videos?

    The truth of reality is that there are no scientific measurable proofs that the earth is a sphere. The earth is demonstrably a level plain and the Holy Bible agrees.
     
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    It doesn't matter to me if the earth is a ball flying through endless space or if it's flat. I doesn't change how I live my life and it has nothing to do with salvation.

    Real and genuine FEers renounce and refute The Flat Earth Society = disinformation

    I spent my whole life knowing 100% that I was on a globe flying through empty space. When I first heard of flat earth I laughed and thought it was crazy and not serious.

    Now I'm not doing debates to be a player in the flat earth arena and there are much more knowledgeable flat earthers who are better at debating. I have reached the point where there is no longer any debate. I believe what I do based on evidence and scripture.

    To be clear, if the earth is flat and motionless like the evidence shows and the Bible describes, it destroys the theory of evolution, the big bang theory and the delusional fantasy of seeding other planets and travelling the stars. It makes the Bible true again and much more credible to unbelievers. It means God really is right above us, close not far away. Michelson- Morley

    a great point, fact and observation that no footage of a complete rotation of the earth from a fixed point in space exists. They don't do it live or in a recording and the only thing you can find are computer generated memes like Derf posted. It will be one of my last statements . . . or maybe the beginning. . . heck I might say it two or three times so everybody hears, lol.


    With high altitude balloons 25 miles high prove that the horizon ALWAYS rises to eye level. This is impossible on a ball because on a ball the horizon would get lower and lower the higher you went. I have seen this eye level horizon up to 186 miles high.


    60,000 miles well below the equator of 24,000 miles according to globular theory.

    If the earth were a sphere this route would have been expected to be way less than 24,000 miles.

    Even with the detours and Tyson's bulge theory one cannot come up with a difference of 36,000 miles.

    The KJV never says sphere but maybe a newer modern day Bible does. I read the King James only but I can accept other versions when they are accurate.

    The fact is, nobody can prove a globe. Nobody can prove curvature. Nobody can prove that the earth is moving. These are undisputed facts. They can only show you art work in the form of images. And poetic equations and calculations using Masonic math.

    Images of earth from space? All Composite or CGI, admitted by NASA and provable from statements coming directly from NASA and the White House. From NASA also, documented statement "We use CGI and artist renderings, but we have to". - News Flash - We never went to the moon.


    Provable and documented : Private space agencies are used by NASA and the number one reason is to avoid the Freedom Of Information Act - You can't request any information from SpaceX or Virgin or Bigelow Aerospace and some other private agencies. We should be worried that information is not available to the public under the guise of "Trade Secrets"

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    Virgin Mobile and SpaceX? Please, let's talk when they get to the moon, always in the future. Most folks pretend that cosmology is settled science when it is ALL theoretical. Vain imaginings. people puts their faith and trust in man and theoretical science over the plain and clear word of God. I see it all the time, everyday in fact.


    The burden of proof is with globe lovers. Prove we are on a flying spinning ball shaped planet. Even if the other "planets" which are actually defined as wandering stars are spheres, it doesn't make the earth a globe. The earth is the center and focus of God's creation for mankind. We really ARE special and God is directly above us, just like the Bible says.


    The deception goes all the way back to the garden. - EXPLAIN - From before Genesis 6 the deception of satan was in play. This carried on until even after the flood there were Nephilim. Empires and Kingdoms were created with the occult mystic practices taught from fallen angels.


    This was all kept secret but practiced nonetheless. Freemasons and other mystic occult secret societies formed and passed this information down. I don't know that information but 33rd Degreee Masons do. My point is that sacred information, evil and corruption has been passed on since the garden through secret societies and priesthoods. Research this yourself and don't take my word for it.


    Before I quote some scripture here are a few quotes :

    In Paine's "Age Of Reason" it is stated that : "The two beliefs - modern astronomy and the Bible - cannot be held together in the same mind; he who thinks he believes both has thought very little of either."

    Professor W.B. Carpenter in the paper Modern Review Oct 1880 says that science has excluded God from nature : " While the idea of gov't by a God has now excluded God by general consent from the domain of science, the notion of gov't by law has taken it's place in popular thought - the philosophy of finding no God in nature and no need for any."

    "The advanced philosophy of the present times goes still further, asserting that there is no room for a God in nature."

    God SPOKE everything into existence. Sound, resonance and frequency, electro magnetism and sonoluminescence creates stars in the firmament.


    Now, about the Holy Bible, creation and the earth sun, moon and stars - the cosmos as a whole with earth at the center. Here are some of my favorite scriptures proving a stationary plane. There are over 200 scriptures declaring the earth as fixed, motionless, fastened, established and set. Over 200 verses saying that the earth never moves. Many verses say that the sun moon and stars move.

    Where do we get the idea of a dome over the earth?

    Amos 9:6 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
    6 The One who builds His [a]upper chambers in the heavens

    And has founded His vaulted dome over the earth,

    He who calls for the waters of the sea

    And pours them out on the face of the earth,

    The Lord is His name.

    On the second day in the Genesis narrative the Lord calls for there to be a "firmament" in the "midst of the waters" to divide the waters:

    "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."

    (Genesis 1:6-8 KJV)

    The term "firmament" and its identity has been one of the greatest puzzles concerning the Creation account, mostly because of its Hebrew definition:

    רָקִיעַ raqiya` raw-kee'-ah

    from 7554; properly, an expanse, i.e. the firmament or (apparently) visible arch of the sky:—firmament.


    רָקַע raqa` raw-kah'

    a primitive root; to pound the earth (as a sign of passion); by analogy to expand (by hammering); by implication, to overlay (with thin sheets of metal):—beat, make broad, spread abroad (forth, over, out, into plates), stamp, stretch.

    Most people interpret this to mean just the expanse of the sky (the atmosphere) or outer space, or both (which it is), but the full meaning goes well beyond that simplistic interpretation. The creation of the firmament is associated with the placement of a defined heavenly structure. Many modern scholars consign the term "firmament" as a relic of a pre-scientific culture and translate the Hebrew word raqia as a "dome" or "vault" in some modern Bibles, but it is rendered as "firmament" in the KJV for good reason. The problem that puzzles people is the implication in the Hebrew language of the firmament being a firm, fixed structure (FIRMament). That structure, and the KJV word choice, can be explained in the context of the Ruin-Reconstruction interpretation of Genesis.

    The Creation Scientists of today's Fundamentalism (Young Earth Creationists) have interpreted the "waters above the firmament" as a theoretical "water canopy" which once surrounded the Earth, but no longer exists. They cite this as their source for the waters of Noah's flood. This is absolutely incorrect and a concept that does not exactly hold water (pun intended) when closely examined within the literal framework of the Bible's Genesis narrative. The reason is because of what is said in this passage:

    "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also."

    (Genesis 1:14-16 KJV)

    This verse says that the Sun, Moon, and Stars are "in" the firmament. Therefore, applying the rules of grammar and logic, those waters that are "above the firmament" must therefore be above the Sun, Moon and Stars. In other words, those particular waters are ABOVE the visible cosmos. For some this is a hard pill to swallow, but that is exactly what the Bible is saying.


    "Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that [be] above the heavens."

    (Psalms 148:4 KJV)


    "The heaven for height, and the earth for depth, and the heart of kings [is] unsearchable."


    Joshua 10:13 - 13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.


    Psalm 19 -
    The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

    2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

    3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

    4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

    5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

    6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.


    Isaiah 38 =
    In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz came unto him, and said unto him, Thus saith the Lord, Set thine house in order: for thou shalt die, and not live.

    2 Then Hezekiah turned his face toward the wall, and prayed unto the Lord,

    3 And said, Remember now, O Lord, I beseech thee, how I have walked before thee in truth and with a perfect heart, and have done that which is good in thy sight. And Hezekiah wept sore.

    4 Then came the word of the Lord to Isaiah, saying,

    5 Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith the Lord, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.

    6 And I will deliver thee and this city out of the hand of the king of Assyria: and I will defend this city.

    7 And this shall be a sign unto thee from the Lord, that the Lord will do this thing that he hath spoken;

    8 Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down.


    The earth is absolutely flat and motionless. Dozens of ancient cultures thought the earth was flat and enclosed, as the Bible says. The sun, moon and stars rotate above the stationary earth. Water doesn't curve and water doesn't bend. Water is always level and a tool. As we all know water needs a container.


    Proud waves will be stayed - God set bars and doors : Ice Wall - explain The land beyond Antarctica - Circle of the earth

    The North Pole is the center of the flat earth. When people fly "around the world" they are simply making a circle around the North Pole.

    Sunsets :
    The atmosphere acts as a lens. Perspective, refraction and magnification causes the ILLUSION of sunsets,

    Stars are created by sonoluminescence

    Gravity is a push from above not a pull from below - atmosphere is diamagnetic material is repelled by the magnetic field. Everything in the earth is diamagnetic

    Water is diamagnetic and tides are caused by the close sun and moon

    I probably won't be doing more debates but hopefully by getting this topic started on Modern Day Debate will encourage others from both sides to debate. For me, I have been through numerous debates on forums by typing back and forth and they usually end the same way, neither side is swayed or convinced.


    This debate would not be so relevant today if somebody could PROVE THE GLOBE !!! Until science or NASA or SpaceX prove it beyond a reasonable doubt the debate will continue. As I said there are better folks that know the Masonic Math and can represent flat earth much better than me.


    I did this for experience and for fun but the main reason is to get people thinking about God and the earth which is God's tabernacle for the sun and created for mankind, the center and the focus of the cosmos.. . .


    Now before we go, consider this fact again. No footage exists from a fixed stationary satellite, space station or the hundreds of probes we send to "deep space" - no recordings and definitely nothing LIVE showing a complete 24 hour rotation of the earth from a fixed point in space. We have never seen the "globe" make a complete rotation and the only thing you will find are computer generated memes lasting 30 seconds. I'd like to see an entire 24 hour video replay of one full rotation.



    I wish I would have told everybody this right here :

    Everyone should also research the real history and the beginnings of science and philosophy. They are rooted in the occult and mystic teaching of Babylon.


    The globe only exists in our imaginations. It's called indoctrination and we are all suffering this affliction. God bless you all and remember, Research Jesus Christ and then Research Flat Earth
     
  16. Radagast

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    That's what gravity does.

    Yes. That's a verifiable fact.

    There have been for 2500 years.
     
  17. Radagast

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    Let me hear you explain it then. Why is the lit area that shape? Why are days longer as you move south? Why is there midnight sun in Antarctica?

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  18. Radagast

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    This is complete drivel. Some of it isn't even grammatical English.
     
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    It is interesting you take pagan's testimonies about God's creation over the Bible
     
  20. Radagast

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    I'm not a pagan. My scientist friends aren't pagan.
     
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