Fixer Upper Stars Under Fire for Attending Evangelical Church

[Disciple37]

No. It's not.

Yes, it is. Arguing for the sake of arguing isn't getting the conversation any where, nor is it improving our knowledge.

I stated my opinion, and you stated yours. It's immature of us as christians to argue over this.

Someone threatening to cancel their support for your business or channel because you're against their lifestyle is persecution in some of its mildest forms.

Persecution - hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of race or political or religious beliefs.

Persecution can also be subjective to the person facing the issue. What i consider ill-treatment and hostility may not bother you.

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Also, the fact they're making headlines because they simply visit a Church is persecution in of itself. Forcing them to keep quiet on issues they should not have to be quiet on to AVOID persecution.

If the church and family refuses to comment. There's a reason and that reason is to avoid persecution. This is easily deduced.

 

[Armoured]

Yes, it is. Arguing for the sake of arguing isn't getting the conversation any where, nor is it improving our knowledge.

I stated my opinion, and you stated yours. It's immature of us as christians to argue over this.

Someone threatening to cancel their support for your business or channel because you're against their lifestyle is persecution in some of its mildest forms.

Persecution - hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of race or political or religious beliefs.

If that's the bar we're setting, what ISN'T persecution?

 

[redleghunter]

"Homosexuality is a sin" hasn't been the "social default" in a long time for most people outside the Evangelical Bubble. At the very least, there is/was more nuance present.

Truly? Well perhaps ignored by some churches. However, fornication and homosexuality which is fornication are still sins in Holy Scriptures.

The most ancient of catechisms also defines homosexuality as sin.




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[Disciple37]

If that's the bar we're setting, what ISN'T persecution?

If the family and church refuse to comment .. they obviously feel they will be persecuted. If they have to be quiet about their spiritual beliefs out of fear, that's persecution in itself and the very means in which persecution is founded. Fear to speak your beliefs.


http://www.toddstarnes.com/column/fixer-upper-stars-under-fire-for-attending-evangelical-church

"Understandably, neither the Gaines family nor the church wanted to comment. And nor should they have to comment."

 

[Dave-W]

They might be, but what do any of those sources say that makes them "under fire"? Specifically?

"Under fire" because the media sources reporting it are the ones firing.

 

[Armoured]

If the family and church refuse to comment .. they obviously feel they will be persecuted. If they have to be quiet about their spiritual beliefs out of fear, that's persecution in itself.


http://www.toddstarnes.com/column/fixer-upper-stars-under-fire-for-attending-evangelical-church

"Understandably, neither the Gaines family nor the church wanted to comment. And nor should they have to comment."

My double standard senses are tingling again.

 

[Disciple37]

My double standard senses are tingling again.

I dont follow on that one. Not sure what that pertains to.

 

[Armoured]

"Under fire" because the media sources reporting it are the ones firing.

I see no firing, I see basic reporting.

Now, if you want to criticise the cult of celebrity, where we make breathless news reports out of the endless parade of Kardasian wannabe nobodies, well, then I'm 100% in agreement. But crying foul when when someone who wants public recognition holds publicly questionable views? That's fair game, IMHO.

 

[Dave-W]

"Homosexuality is a sin" hasn't been the "social default" in a long time for most people outside the Evangelical Bubble.

Last time I checked our Catholic and Orthodox brethren also consider it sinful.

They are WAY outside the "Evangelical Bubble."

 

[Armoured]

Last time I checked our Catholic and Orthodox brethren also consider it sinful.

They are WAY outside the "Evangelical Bubble."

Catholics don't consider homosexuality sinful. You should probably check again.

 

[Disciple37]

Catholics don't consider homosexuality sinful. You should probably check again.

Wait ... what? Catholics do not consider homosexuality a sin? The Bible claims it's an abomination several times. Sexual depravity is one of the final straws before God's judgement.

I've never heard a Catholic say homosexuality isn't a sin.

You can go to Wikipedia and see the catholic belief.

Catholic teaching condemns homosexual acts as gravely immoral, while holding that homosexual persons "must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity",

However, i must disagree that we are to accept homosexuals that are openly practicing homosexuality. If you have homosexual tendencies they must be fought just like that of a heterosexual person tendencies. (Lust)

 

[Dave-W]

Catholics don't consider homosexuality sinful. You should probably check again.

Ok:

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/homosexuality

Every human being is called to receive a gift of divine sonship, to become a child of God by grace. However, to receive this gift, we must reject sin, including homosexual behavior—that is, acts intended to arouse or stimulate a sexual response regarding a person of the same sex. The Catholic Church teaches that such acts are always violations of divine and natural law.

 

[SolomonVII]

In 8 years we went from "homosexuality is a sin" being the social default position, to that being enough reason for you to be socially crucified. It's crazy how fast things flipped.

Once the foundation stone is removed, or once the anchor is lifted, the default position is totally dependent on which way the wind happens to be blowing.
The left mostly did not think that this would be a problem, because they believe in progress and the idea that history is on their side. Whether it be moral censures against licentiousness, or filibuster in the Senate, for those with a "history is on our side" attitude, checks and balances can seem to be an impediment to progress.
As often as not though, history turns out to be a pendulum. Remove the checks and balances of that pendulum swinging too far left, and the pendulum only gains momentum to swing twice as hard on its return to the right.
We may not see that now, but then again who saw the rise of white nationalism in Eruope, or Brexit or even the rise of Trump two days before the election?

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction is the physical law on how momentum works. People on the left might feel it to be quite convenient to grab Evangelicals by the neck today. If history is progressive, then this makes sense. Humiliate and vanquish your enemies. If history is a pendulum though, removing all the checks and balances in civil society against grabbing people by the neck, eventually leaves all necks exposed.

Biblically speaking, Sarah oppressed the Egyptian slave Hagar, because she could. The next thing you know, the Israelis were slaves in Hagar's Egypt for five hundred years.
Pendulums swing, and for that reason, God reminds us to remember our times in Egypt in our dealings with vulnerable people.

 

[JCFantasy23]

Well? Does he?Well? Is it?
And? if it's OK for some people to boycott businesses and individuals for being pro LGBT, why shouldn't the reverse apply?

Please let's not fall for the trick of getting swept up in an engineered publicity stunt. Celebrities' religious affiliations are rarely (if ever) made media fodder without them being complicit.

The point is that most people who go to church would fall under some of these accusations. The show runners are not vocal about their church or pastor, it's their private life, but now apparently hosts or celebrities who to go to church (since most churches back this belief) are now at risk for ridicule and petitions. Thankfully HCTV is only responding so far that they do not wish to comment on their host's personal lives and are politely saying back off, but this is still an alarming trend.

 

[2Timothy2:15]

Catholics don't consider homosexuality sinful. You should probably check again.

Whoa

 

[Root of Jesse]

"Homosexuality is a sin" hasn't been the "social default" in a long time for most people outside the Evangelical Bubble. At the very least, there is/was more nuance present.

Do you realize how big that bubble is??? Most Catholics are included in that.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Catholics don't consider homosexuality sinful. You should probably check again.

Wrong. Homosexuality (which is the actions of being homosexual) is a mortal sin. That you have an attraction to those of the same sex is not a sin. Actions are sinful, thoughts aren't.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Wait ... what? Catholics do not consider homosexuality a sin? The Bible claims it's an abomination several times. Sexual depravity is one of the final straws before God's judgement.

I've never heard a Catholic say homosexuality isn't a sin.

You can go to Wikipedia and see the catholic belief.

Catholic teaching condemns homosexual acts as gravely immoral, while holding that homosexual persons "must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity",

However, i must disagree that we are to accept homosexuals that are openly practicing homosexuality. If you have homosexual tendencies they must be fought just like that of a heterosexual person tendencies. (Lust)

You're right as long as you're speaking of what makes homosexuals homosexual-having sex with someone of the same sex. Actually, what it is is that any sex outside of the sacrament of Marriage is sinful. Having an attraction to someone of the same sex is not.

 

[JCFantasy23]

They're public figures, I think it's a fair enough question if people genuinely want to know. Get back to me when anyone demands they change their beliefs or unlawfully discriminates against them.

These articles aren't just about people calmly asking questions and wondering. Some people are continuing witch hunts.

Speaking on that, why it is it the public's business? This couple hosts a home renovation show that has nothing to do with religion. They don't bring their religion up. I have no idea why they should be required to state the details of their religious beliefs in the first place.

As the article states,

It’s absolutely true that the Gaines family attends a church that believes marriage is between one man and one woman.

Should that disqualify them from having a television program on HGTV?

Do the militant LGBT activists want to create a Black List – banning individuals who attend evangelical Christian churches from working in the industry? Is that what they really want?​

 

[Colter]

http://www.toddstarnes.com/column/fixer-upper-stars-under-fire-for-attending-evangelical-church

Apparently, the militant homosexuals and liberal media (buzzfeed, huffpo, etc) can't stand the fact that the couple attends an evangelical church that teaches *gasp* that homosexuality is a sin and that marriage is between one man and one woman.

How long until they demand HGTV cancel the show? All over the private religious beliefs if the hosts.

I must confess that I have a crush on Joanne! Oh my heavens, she gives me goose bumps..... but she's married and so am I. Nice people, it's sad that the gay controversy seeks out people for trouble!