Five Women Sue Texas Over Abortion Ban

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NYT - The women, backed by an abortion-rights group, say they were denied abortions under state law despite risks to themselves and their fetuses that made the procedure a medical necessity.

Five women who say they were denied abortions despite grave risks to their lives or their fetuses sued the State of Texas on Monday, apparently the first time that pregnant women themselves have taken legal action against the bans that have shut down access to abortion across the country since the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. The women — two visibly pregnant — plan to tell their stories on the steps of the Texas Capitol on Tuesday. Their often harrowing experiences will put faces to what their 91-page complaint calls “catastrophic harms” to women since the court’s decision in June, which eliminated the constitutional right to abortion after five decades.

The suit asks the court to affirm that physicians can make exceptions, and to clarify under what conditions. But its greater power may be in appealing to public opinion on abortion. Similar lawsuits over exceptions, focusing public attention on stories of women who were denied abortions despite medical dangers, helped build momentum for legalized abortion in heavily Catholic Ireland and in South America.

The women who are bringing the suit contradict stereotypes about who receives abortions and why. Married, and some with children already, the women rejoiced at their pregnancies, only to discover that their fetuses had no chance of survival — two had no skulls, and two others were threatening the lives of their twins.

Though they faced the risk of hemorrhage or life-threatening infection from carrying those fetuses, the women were told they could not have abortions, the suit says. Some doctors refused even to suggest the option, or to forward medical records to another provider.

The women found themselves furtively crossing state borders to seek medical treatment outside Texas, worried that family and neighbors might report them to state authorities. In some cases, the women became so ill that they were hospitalized. One plaintiff, Amanda Zurawski, was told she was not yet sick enough to receive an abortion, then twice became septic, and was left with so much scar tissue that one of her fallopian tubes is permanently closed. Ms. Zurawski became pregnant in early 2022 after 18 months of fertility treatments. In her 17th week of pregnancy, and the day after she made the guest list for her baby shower, a scan found that her cervical membranes had begun to prolapse. Specialists told her that her fetus, which she had begun thinking of as her baby, would not survive.

Doctors told Ms. Zurawski they could perform an abortion only if she became acutely ill
or went into labor naturally, or if the fetus’s heartbeat stopped. That night at home, her water broke, but when she went to the emergency room, doctors said she was not in labor. Without amniotic fluid, the fetus would die, but it still had a heartbeat. And because Ms. Zurawski’s vital signs were stable, they said, she did not qualify for an exception. The hospital sent her home.

Three days later, her doctors again told the Zurawskis they could not legally abort the fetus because it still had a heartbeat. At home that night, Ms. Zurawski developed a fever, and her husband called the obstetrician to ask to go to the hospital. “We were in this mind-set of, ‘Surely now you’ll accept us,’” Mr. Zurawski said. A nurse told them, he said, that doctors would have to receive approval from the hospital’s ethics board. He finally rushed his wife to the emergency room later that night. There her fever spiked to 103.2 degrees. Doctors confirmed that she had a blood infection and said her life was now in danger, so they could induce delivery without violating Texas’ abortion ban. Later that night, she developed a secondary infection. Doctors told Mr. Zurawski that they had to give his wife a blood transfusion to stabilize her enough to move her to the intensive care unit. The couple’s families flew in, fearing that she would die.

Ms. Zurawski left intensive care after three days, and the hospital after a week. Two months later, she had an operation to remove scar tissue from her uterus and fallopian tubes, but the doctors were unable to clear one.
“You don’t think you’re somebody who’s going to need an abortion, let alone an abortion to save my life,” Ms. Zurawski, 35, said. “If anybody reads my story, I don’t care where they are on the political spectrum, very few people would agree there is anything pro-life about this.”

If a pregnant woman actually dies after being denied a live-saving abortion, will Texas lawmakers rejoice, or will they mourn?
 

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If you don't want to risk a pregnancy that leads to death, don't have sex...
Just like the good old days when a woman facing a pregnancy complication could at best hope her death came quickly but more likely died in agony.
 
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What if you want a child? Should she risk it?
Ah yes, the good old days when having sex was indeed a risk and the motto was you play you pay. It's how most of us got here. How many if approved will take this 'risk' idea to extremes and call any pregnancy a risk and take us back to square one.
 
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Acceptable losses in the fight for life, I'm sure.

That's the impression I have from some of the callous views I read on these threads...

In the year 2022....

"Amanda was forced to wait until she was septic to receive abortion care, causing one of her fallopian tubes to become permanently closed. When Lauren M. learned one of her twins was not viable, she was forced to travel out of state for the abortion she needed to save her and her other baby’s life, who is due in several weeks. Lauren H. received a devastating fetal diagnosis two weeks after Roe was overturned, and in the chaos that followed, she was forced to travel to Seattle for an abortion. Pregnant again now, Lauren H. fears that Texas is not safe for her or her family. Anna was forced to fly across multiple states after her water broke, risking that she would go into labor or septic shock on the journey. Ashley had to travel out of state to for an abortion to save the life of one of her twins, and afterward, fearful of documenting Ashley’s abortion, her Texas physician instead described her condition as “vanishing twin syndrome.”

Jennifer Ruben writes:
Contradictory and vague language in the Texas abortion ban “leaves physicians uncertain whether the treatment decisions they make in good faith, based on their medical judgment, will be respected or will be later disputed.” The law created chaos, leading to denial of care or forcing women to show “hemorrhaging” or “active signs of infection before they will be offered abortions.”

IMO, the Texas law should be struck down based on the poorly written language alone.
 
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Related news from Texas.

A Good Friday funeral in Texas. Baby Halo's parents had few choices in post-Roe Texas


Her name was Halo, and she was born last week, on March 29, two months early and weighing 3 pounds. She lived for four hours, dying in the arms of her father, Luis Villasana.

Her mother, Samantha Casiano, knew their baby wouldn't survive long because she had anencephaly – part of Halo's brain and skull never developed.

She asked her OB-GYN what her options were [after getting the diagnosis last Christmas]. Casiano says her doctor told her, "Well, because of the new law, you don't have any options. You have to go on with your pregnancy."

...there are no exceptions in Texas law for the diagnosis of a fetal anomaly, no matter how severe. In fact, very few states with abortion bans have such exceptions.

'Texas laws are working as designed'​

Amy O'Donnell, director of communications for the Texas Alliance for Life, calls Casiano's situation "heartbreaking," but says she supports the abortion bans and opposes creating exceptions for fetal anomalies.
 
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NYT - The women, backed by an abortion-rights group, say they were denied abortions under state law despite risks to themselves and their fetuses that made the procedure a medical necessity.

Five women who say they were denied abortions despite grave risks to their lives or their fetuses sued the State of Texas on Monday, apparently the first time that pregnant women themselves have taken legal action against the bans that have shut down access to abortion across the country since the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. The women — two visibly pregnant — plan to tell their stories on the steps of the Texas Capitol on Tuesday. Their often harrowing experiences will put faces to what their 91-page complaint calls “catastrophic harms” to women since the court’s decision in June, which eliminated the constitutional right to abortion after five decades.

The suit asks the court to affirm that physicians can make exceptions, and to clarify under what conditions. But its greater power may be in appealing to public opinion on abortion. Similar lawsuits over exceptions, focusing public attention on stories of women who were denied abortions despite medical dangers, helped build momentum for legalized abortion in heavily Catholic Ireland and in South America.

The women who are bringing the suit contradict stereotypes about who receives abortions and why. Married, and some with children already, the women rejoiced at their pregnancies, only to discover that their fetuses had no chance of survival — two had no skulls, and two others were threatening the lives of their twins.

Though they faced the risk of hemorrhage or life-threatening infection from carrying those fetuses, the women were told they could not have abortions, the suit says. Some doctors refused even to suggest the option, or to forward medical records to another provider.

The women found themselves furtively crossing state borders to seek medical treatment outside Texas, worried that family and neighbors might report them to state authorities. In some cases, the women became so ill that they were hospitalized. One plaintiff, Amanda Zurawski, was told she was not yet sick enough to receive an abortion, then twice became septic, and was left with so much scar tissue that one of her fallopian tubes is permanently closed. Ms. Zurawski became pregnant in early 2022 after 18 months of fertility treatments. In her 17th week of pregnancy, and the day after she made the guest list for her baby shower, a scan found that her cervical membranes had begun to prolapse. Specialists told her that her fetus, which she had begun thinking of as her baby, would not survive.

Doctors told Ms. Zurawski they could perform an abortion only if she became acutely ill or went into labor naturally, or if the fetus’s heartbeat stopped. That night at home, her water broke, but when she went to the emergency room, doctors said she was not in labor. Without amniotic fluid, the fetus would die, but it still had a heartbeat. And because Ms. Zurawski’s vital signs were stable, they said, she did not qualify for an exception. The hospital sent her home.

Three days later, her doctors again told the Zurawskis they could not legally abort the fetus because it still had a heartbeat. At home that night, Ms. Zurawski developed a fever, and her husband called the obstetrician to ask to go to the hospital. “We were in this mind-set of, ‘Surely now you’ll accept us,’” Mr. Zurawski said. A nurse told them, he said, that doctors would have to receive approval from the hospital’s ethics board. He finally rushed his wife to the emergency room later that night. There her fever spiked to 103.2 degrees. Doctors confirmed that she had a blood infection and said her life was now in danger, so they could induce delivery without violating Texas’ abortion ban. Later that night, she developed a secondary infection. Doctors told Mr. Zurawski that they had to give his wife a blood transfusion to stabilize her enough to move her to the intensive care unit. The couple’s families flew in, fearing that she would die.

Ms. Zurawski left intensive care after three days, and the hospital after a week. Two months later, she had an operation to remove scar tissue from her uterus and fallopian tubes, but the doctors were unable to clear one.
“You don’t think you’re somebody who’s going to need an abortion, let alone an abortion to save my life,” Ms. Zurawski, 35, said. “If anybody reads my story, I don’t care where they are on the political spectrum, very few people would agree there is anything pro-life about this.”

If a pregnant woman actually dies after being denied a live-saving abortion, will Texas lawmakers rejoice, or will they mourn?

Women in Texas have the same right to choose abortion as men. For all the talk about level playing fields over the years....it doesn't seem like that's really what the left wants.

I was for bodily autonomy....until I was given a government mandate.

Anyway, these women need to trust the medical experts. They were told they didn't need abortions and clearly, they didn't. They're all still alive aren't they?
 
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Related news from Texas.

A Good Friday funeral in Texas. Baby Halo's parents had few choices in post-Roe Texas


Her name was Halo, and she was born last week, on March 29, two months early and weighing 3 pounds. She lived for four hours, dying in the arms of her father, Luis Villasana.

Her mother, Samantha Casiano, knew their baby wouldn't survive long because she had anencephaly – part of Halo's brain and skull never developed.

Awww...

She asked her OB-GYN what her options were [after getting the diagnosis last Christmas]. Casiano says her doctor told her, "Well, because of the new law, you don't have any options. You have to go on with your pregnancy."

...there are no exceptions in Texas law for the diagnosis of a fetal anomaly, no matter how severe. In fact, very few states with abortion bans have such exceptions.

'Texas laws are working as designed'​

Amy O'Donnell, director of communications for the Texas Alliance for Life, calls Casiano's situation "heartbreaking," but says she supports the abortion bans and opposes creating exceptions for fetal anomalies.

It's always sad...unless, you know...it's a baby you don't want.
 
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You know why I never say this to anyone unless I'm about to follow it up with an explanation or counter argument
Anencephalic fetuses can see through your baloney.
 
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You know why I never say this to anyone unless I'm about to follow it up with an explanation or counter argument that effectively ends any points being made?

Because just insulting someone's argument is childish.



Translation- since I can't engage the points made, I will feign outrage and hope others are foolish enough to imagine me moral.
The cruelty and misogyny in your posts are palpable.
 
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The cruelty and misogyny in your posts are palpable.

Uh huh...typically I wouldn't bother responding to this type of post except to point out that I never care about anyone's opinion of me. I've been an atheist on this forum since wayyy back when we were allowed to argue religious beliefs and I promise you...I've been called worse.

However, I do recall you posting about vaccines and a quick search revealed 20+ pages of your views on the topic. I only skimmed the first 3...I'm going to be kind enough to not go through each, point out every time you were wrong, etc. It is a bit funny how certain politicians are "anti-vax quacks" one moment and possibly electable the next, isn't it? That's not the point here though...

I am solidly in favor of bodily autonomy. I don't believe the government should force anyone to undergo any procedures or treatments they don't want to undergo.

However, it doesn't appear as if anyone else feels the same way. I know that some might claim to...but they really don't. I found this out when I was mandated to get a vaccine that was sold to the masses as not only the "solution" to covid, but was entirely new, and certainly untested for phase 3 trials. I didn't tell anyone not to get it....I didn't tell anyone to get it. I wanted to wait, and see the data, because I'm aware how few vaccines pass phase 3 trials....and for good reason.

People on here floated ideas about deny people like myself medical treatment at a hospital and took glee in watching politicians and known pundits get sick and die. I don't know if you joined in...perhaps you even told them how cruel they were. Perhaps you never supported a mandate or took any joy from people dying or getting sick.

Am I cruel for not caring that these women were denied bodily autonomy? Why? If you weren't against mandates....you don't care either.

As for misogyny....I honestly don't care about that.


14yo boy gets raped...6 years later served with child support papers.

There's an injustice for you. California decided it doesn't even matter if the mother who raped a teenage boy was convicted....you're still on the hook for 18 years buddy!

You must be incredibly outraged lol. It's as if men never have any choice at all...yet women insist they be responsible for the consequences their choices, even when the choice is raping a 14yo boy.

As far as I can tell, a few states banning abortion and removing one of the many choices women have is the closest thing we'll have to equality between the sexes. Until then that day...accusations of misogyny just reveal ignorance.
 
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