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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Non-Christians are praised when they condone abortion but Christians are not politically correct if they share Christian beliefs?
 
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Non-Christians are praised when they condone abortion but Christians are not politically correct if they share Christian beliefs?

Which is people exercising their first amendment rights. It applies to everyone, not just people you agree with.
 
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Which is people exercising their first amendment rights. It applies to everyone, not just people you agree with.

Oh, sure. The media has first amendment rights. I agree.
 
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Non-Christians are praised when they condone abortion but Christians are not politically correct if they share Christian beliefs?

You may have to expand a bit about what you seem to be upset about. When I see this in the context of the 1st Amendment, all I see is...

Non-Christians are praised [people exercising free speech] when they condone [people exercising free speech] abortion but Christians are [declared to be [people exercising free speech]] not politically correct if they share [people exercising free speech] Christian beliefs?
 
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I find it odd how American conservatives defend the first amendment so ferociously. Complete free speech doesn't seem conducive to any society if it wants to maintain a certain sense of itself.

Of course the idea behind Abortion is that it is a woman's freedom to with her body as much as she wants. Therefore in attempting to limit the autonomy of the woman to procure an abortion at any point of the pregnancy is viewed as a violation of the woman's right.
 
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Complete free speech doesn't seem conducive to any society if it wants to maintain a certain sense of itself.
Free speech simply prevents one person or group from eliminating others that disagree, thus freeing themselves of competition or having to defend their own ideas. See Cancel Culture.
 
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Free speech simply prevents one person or group from eliminating others that disagree, thus freeing themselves of competition or having to defend their own ideas. See Cancel Culture.
Huh, I don't think this insistence on free speech has prevented the conservative movement in America from dying off. Seems like a failing strategy.
 
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Non-Christians are praised when they condone abortion but Christians are not politically correct if they share Christian beliefs?
Therefore, what?
 
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Huh, I don't think this insistence on free speech has prevented the conservative movement in America from dying off. Seems like a failing strategy.

'Pass that tissue, dear. I've got coffee all over my tablet.'

Or maybe that sentence doesn't mean what you thought it meant...
 
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I find it odd how American conservatives defend the first amendment so ferociously. Complete free speech doesn't seem conducive to any society if it wants to maintain a certain sense of itself.

Of course the idea behind Abortion is that it is a woman's freedom to with her body as much as she wants.

Bodily autonomy is not gender specific. Nor is it even specific to legal persons since it persists after death.

Therefore in attempting to limit the autonomy of the woman to procure an abortion at any point of the pregnancy is viewed as a violation of the woman's right.

Incorrect. Abortion, with the exception of risk of harm to the mother, is only allowed until fetal viability.
 
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Huh, I don't think this insistence on free speech has prevented the conservative movement in America from dying off. Seems like a failing strategy.
There is only democracy if it is not one-sided. It takes two sides working together to come to a conclusion begrudgingly agreeable to both. Those days seem gone. A third side could upend the deadlock but of course the nation wasn't built along those lines. They knew full well two sides squabbling would keep the real power that holds the purse strings free to do as it wills.
 
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Non-Christians are praised when they condone abortion but Christians are not politically correct if they share Christian beliefs?

So where's your issue?

Everyone has the right to free speech...nobody's telling anyone they don't have a right to espouse pro-life views.

There's no such thing as "a right to have everyone else agree with my speech, and praise me for it". And there's certainly no guarantee that everyone's speech/views are going to be equally popular among the public.

That only happens when one's viewpoints are shared by enough people that it reflects the culture as a whole.


For instance,
I have a right to say "Pepperoni is the best pizza topping"
John Doe has a right to say "I think carrots are the best pizza topping"

John Doe shouldn't be under the impression that his statement is going to receive the same amount of support as my statement.
 
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I have a right to say "Pepperoni is the best pizza topping"
John Doe has a right to say "I think carrots are the best pizza topping"

John Doe shouldn't be under the impression that his statement is going to receive the same amount of support as my statement.
Unless of course social media decides to dictate the side of the carrot superior and censor any other viewpoint..
 
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You may have to expand a bit about what you seem to be upset about. When I see this in the context of the 1st Amendment, all I see is...

Non-Christians are praised [people exercising free speech] when they condone [people exercising free speech] abortion but Christians are [declared to be [people exercising free speech]] not politically correct if they share [people exercising free speech] Christian beliefs?

Most of the time, when people are on the far right are complaining about being censored, or being denied their free speech, it actually has nothing to do with free speech, and is actually more about wanting to espouse outdated opinions (that are no longer publicly popular), and being upset when they no longer have majority agreement on their side with regards to other individuals or corporate entities.

I think this sums it up...
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Unless of course social media decides to dictate the side of the carrot superior and censor any other viewpoint..

Social media certainly has some biases, and ones that I've been very critical of them for with regards to certain topics. (I've started several threads on it), and certainly have some biases that I would find concerning from the standpoint that they're being enlisted by (and therefore acting as) state actors for certain purposes and absolutely have the influence and power to influence elections.

However, on the abortion topic, it's really a non-issue.

https://twitter.com/search?q=#prolife&lang=en

Twitter and Facebook both allow pro-life content on their platforms.
 
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Non-Christians are praised when they condone abortion but Christians are not politically correct if they share Christian beliefs?

Is this supposed to refer to real (and recent) examples of such speech or is this just a general complaint?

BTW everybody: Abortion rights don't come from the 1st Amendment (and are off topic to OP), but advocating for or against them is protected by the 1st Amendment (CF rules apply on CF).
 
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Non-Christians are praised when they condone abortion but Christians are not politically correct if they share Christian beliefs?
What has this got to do with the First Amendment? General praise or blame is irrelevant as to whether the government is interfering or not with speech.
 
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