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Fires at Notre Dame and Dome of the Rock

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by WilliamJWilson, Apr 20, 2019.

  1. WilliamJWilson

    WilliamJWilson New Member

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    Is there any biblical prophecy about fires or destruction of Holy places in the bible related to end times or the second coming?
     
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  2. Lost4words

    Lost4words In reality, an old dog! Supporter

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    When there are disasters etc etc, you will always get people who attach end times to them.

    Just concentrate on God. Let your life be full of God.

    Pray and dont worry.
     
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  3. Dave G.

    Dave G. Well-Known Member

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    Lost4words nailed it, even if it is related to end times scripture says these things are not to trouble us.
     
  4. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    I would say that when the Lord does this, the Dome of the Rock will be gone:

    Isaiah 28:22b ....For I have heard that destruction is decreed upon the whole Land.
    Isaiah 10:23 For the Lord of Hosts will bring final destruction on the whole Land.

    Ezekiel 20:47 The Lord says: I am about to kindle a fire, one that will consume anything flammable. All of the Land and people from the Negev northward will be scorched by it.

    Ezekiel 21:4 It is because I intend to make away with both righteous and wicked alike, that My sword of punishment is against everyone from the Negev northward.

    Jeremiah 22:6-7 The Lord says about the Royal House of Judah: Though you are dear to Me, I swear that I shall turn your Land into a desert; a Land of towns no longer inhabited. A destructive host will come upon you and burn your dwellings.

    Jeremiah 21:14 I shall punish you as you deserve, I shall set fire to your open Land, it will devour everything round about.

    Hosea 4:3 Therefore the Land will be desolate, all that lives in it will be wasted, even the wild animals, birds and the fish of the sea will vanish.

    Jeremiah 7:34 From the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem, I shall banish all sounds of joy and gladness, for the whole Land will become a desert.

    Zephaniah 1:18 On the Day of the Lord’s wrath, by the fire of His jealousy, the whole Land will be consumed, for He will make a sudden and terrible end to all who live in the Land.

    Micah 1:6 I shall reduce Samaria to a ruin, to a place for planting vineyards. I will level the hills and valleys; lay bare their foundations.

    Micah 5:11 I shall devastate the cities of your Land and destroy your military power.

    Amos 6:11 When the Lord commands, great houses will be reduced to rubble and the small houses shattered.

    Jeremiah 8:16 The sound of the Destroyer approaches and the whole Land trembles, it comes and consumes everything, crops, trees, city and citizens alike.

    Joel 1:15-20 The Day of the Lord comes; a mighty destruction from the Almighty, all food is cut off, the Land is shrivelled and dry, for fire has consumed the pastures and every tree is burned up. Jeremiah 25:38 The Land has become a waste and ruined because of the fierce anger of the Lord.

    Jeremiah 10:19 The Land says: O the pain of my wounds, I have suffered cruel injuries and am laid low, but I must endure it, because the shepherds of the people are fools and never consult the Lord; so their flock is scattered.

    Jeremiah 9:10 I shall chant a dirge over the mountains and pastures, for all is scorched and untrodden, I hear no sound of livestock, even the birds have fled and gone.

    Jeremiah 4:26-28 The fertile Land has become a wilderness, its towns all razed to the ground before the fierce anger of the Lord. The Lord says: the whole Land will be desolate, totally destroyed. All the earth will be in mourning for this and the sky will be black. For now I have made known My purpose, I will not relent or change it.

    Isaiah 32:12 Go into mourning for your pleasant fields and fruitful Land; for every happy home in the bustling city. Houses are forsaken and the streets are deserted.

    Isaiah 33:8a-9 The roads are deserted, the Land is parched and dry. Lebanon is dried out, Sharon is like a desert and Bashan and Gilead are stripped bare.

    Isaiah 24:10 & 13 The city is shattered and in chaos....all joy and merriment has gone from the Land. Nothing but desolation is left and the entrances to the city are smashed.

    Jeremiah 12:4 &10-13 How long must the country lie parched, its grass withered? No birds or beasts are left, because God has judged the wicked inhabitants, they said: God does not see what we are doing. A sword from the Lord has devoured the Land from end to end and now it’s all a desolate wilderness.
    Ref: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged.
     
  5. timewerx

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    The holy places cannot be desecrated -- Even the gates of Hell will not prevail against it. ;)
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  6. Douggg

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    I don't know about places. But there is indication that the Abomination statue image of the Beast will go up in flames.

    In Ezekiel 28:12-19, referring to Satan. Satan will be cast down to earth. To take place in Revelation 12:7-9.

    In Revelation 13, it says men will worship the dragon.

    In Revelation 13, the image of the beast will come alive and speak - in the second half of the 7 years.

    So, putting all of those things together, it appears as though Satan will incarnate the image making it appear to come alive - a lying wonder.

    In Ezekiel 28,
    17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

    18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

    19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

    It appears as what is going to happen is that Satan will be cast down to earth, and incarnate the image of the beast. Then at Jesus's return, that image goes up in flames, reduced to ashes, and there on the temple mount will be Satan exposed to the world, the armies surrounding the temple mount, and the kings of the earth.
     
  7. tranquil

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    I'd just like to preface this with saying that Satan understands prophecy backwards & forwards. As such, there are repeated patterns in the news related to prophecies, mimicking the real upcoming end-time fulfillment.

    Pertaining to the Bible, in Daniel 9:26 there is mention of 'the people of the prince to come will destroy the city & the sanctuary'. The 'people of the prince to come' are the 'locusts' in the 5th & 6th Trumpets. The 5th Trumpet lasts for 5 months (Revelation 9:5). (long story short, 1st the city is taken, then 5 months later, the sanctuary is taken).

    This 5 months mimicks the 'flood'/ Days of Noah referenced in Matthew 24:37. At the real fulfillment of the 'flood'/ Days of Noah (which will start on 17 Iyar & go through 17 Tishri on the Hebrew calendar, which is 5 months), the kingdom of heaven (which starts at the 7th Trumpet) starts and then 5 months later at 17 Tishri, during Sukkot, Jesus will rule in the sanctuary. (Rev 14 depicts this & it is during Sukkot/ Feast of Tabernacles, compare with Leviticus 23:33-43's 'grain offering & grape harvest').

    At the 1st Trumpet (Trumpets 1-5 start on the same day), the man of sin is revealed, imitating Jesus, imitating the starting of the kingdom of heaven. 5 months later is the 6th Trumpet where the man of sin is imitating Jesus in the Sanctuary. At the 6th Trumpet the man of sin is in his sanctuary. (which is why the '200 million man army' is mentioned, the man of sin is imitating the end of the flood/ 17 Tishri/ when Jesus is in the sanctuary with His angels/ 'messengers'/ army, see Psalm 68:17.

    So, getting to the Cathedral fire...
    With the Notre Dame Cathedral fire, this 'sanctuary' was 'destroyed' 5 months after the Yellow Vests/ Yellow Jackets movement started.

    The Yellow Jackets (which is a type of wasp - which have stingers, just like the locusts in Revelation 9:10) are a prototype of the army of the prince to come that will destroy the city, then the sanctuary 5 months later.

    the yellow jackets started on Nov 17, 2018 & the fire ended on April 16, 2019
    Yellow vests movement - Wikipedia
    Notre-Dame de Paris fire - Wikipedia

    and as I recall, there are rumors that a yellow jacket started the fire.

    Conversely, watch for a new 'holy place' to be anointed, as there is no 'officially' anointed holy place for the abomination statue to defile. I am watching for that to occur in August, details in the pdf below.
     
  8. Original Happy Camper

    Original Happy Camper One of GODS Children I am a historicist Supporter

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    Matthew 24:42
    Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

    Matthew 25:13
    Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

    Mark 13:33
    Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

    Mark 13:37
    And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

    Mark 13:35
    Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

    Your council goes against the biblical instruction
     
  9. SeventyOne

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    No. Plus, they aren't particularly 'holy' places. Just cool buildings with a considerable history that some people hold in high regard.
     
  10. Original Happy Camper

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    Please explain how the cathedral and the dome are HOLY

    Definition of holy. 1 : exalted or worthy of complete devotion as one perfect in goodness and righteousness. 2 : divine for the Lord our God is holyPsalms 99:9 (King James Version) 3 : devoted entirely to the deity or the work of the deity a holy temple holy prophets.

    Holy Spirit
    holy angels
    holy prophets
    I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God.
    remember his holy covenant
    holy is his name.
    Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
    These things saith he that is holy
    O Lord, holy and true,
    If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
    And thou shalt put the mercy seat upon the ark of the testimony in the most holy place.
     
  11. TribulationSigns

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    My goodness. That is one of the most stupid speculations I ever heard. The five moths of revelation 9 will NOT be understood by counting on a calendar like you do. The smoke locusts won’t be literal. The temple won’t be literal. Stop watching the news and start get the interpretation from the Word of God itself. It’s spiritual discerned!
     
  12. ImAllLikeOkWaitWat

    ImAllLikeOkWaitWat For who can resist his will?

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    I don't want to turn the burning of notre dame into some signs of the end times message, but I do want to say that it certainly could be looked at as a sign of the way the world is going and perhaps a warning. There is no question the world has become more secular and we are moving further and further away from God as a society in general. Even if the number of christians isn't necessarily decreasing, at the very least our acceptance of immorality has certainly increased and to our own detriment and we should heed these as warnings to look at our own life and see what it is that we could possibly do better.
     
  13. LittleLambofJesus

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    :amen: :oldthumbsup: :ebil:
    That was fulfilled in 70ad with the destruction of the anti-Christian Temple and priesthood in the 1st century.......

    Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
    Matthew 24:1 And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
    Mark 13:1 And He going forth out of the Temple,
    Luke 21:5 and of some saying concerning the Temple,

    Matthew 24:
    40 Then two shall be being in the field: one is being taken along<3880> and one is being left<863>.
    41 Two grinding in the mill: one is being taken and one is being left.
    42 Be watching then! that not ye are aware day the Lord of ye is coming.
    43 That yet be ye knowing! that if were aware the homeowner which watch the thief is coming, he watches ever, and not ever lets his house to broken into<1358>

    Luk 12:39

    “But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.
    Luke 17:36
    34 I am saying to ye to this night
    shall be being two on one couch, the one shall be being taking and the other shall be being left.
    35 shall be two grinding on the same place. the one shall be being taken, and the yet other shall be being left
    36 two shall be being in the field, the one shall be being taken and the other being left.’
    37 And answering they are saying to Him, ‘Where Lord?’
    The yet He said to them,
    ‘Where the body<4983> also the eagles<105> shall be being assembled<1996>
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    Revelation 18:
    21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
    22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
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    Both Egypt and destroyer are mentioned in Revelation. Just as God raised up Pharaoh to show His power thru him, so did God raise up the Israelites to show His power thru them, including the destruction of 1st century Jerusalem and the Temple.......

    Exo 11:5
    Every firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sits on the throne, to the firstborn son of the female slave, who is at her hand mill, and all the firstborn of the cattle as well.

    Jer 31:9
    They shall come with weeping, And with supplications I will lead them.
    I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters, In a straight way in which they shall not stumble;
    For I am a Father to Israel, And Ephraim is My firstborn.
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    Rev 11:8
    And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

    Revelation 9:11
    and they are having of them a king the Messenger of the Abyss, name to him to Hebrew abaddwn <3>, and in the Greecian name is having apolluwn/destroyer <623>
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    Revelation 9:6
    And in those days the men shall be seeking the death, and not no shall be finding it;
    and they shall be desiring/yearning<1937> to be dying, and the death is fleeing from them.

     
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  14. Original Happy Camper

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    Let us agree to disagree brother
     
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