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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by strangertoo, Sep 6, 2012.

  1. strangertoo

    strangertoo sin is diabolical abuse of fellow humans-1John 3:8

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    The problem I see is not just that religion is divided right down to individual beliefs , so is conclusively not the result of spirit baptism by God [which unites the saints in one Truth of God eventually]...
    no, the main problem is that folks decide what to believe before God teaches them... so they get it wrong learning off sinners who simply cannot know... faith in sinners is faith in Satan , it has to be said , no matter how sincere seem the ministers of Satan ... they are mostly sincerely deluded as much as any sinner ...

    1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

    many admit they are sinners ,but pretend they are not of Satan...but sinners do commit sin, they are under Satan's control, they do abuse others with sin no matter how nice they pretend to be, and they are unacceptable to Jesus until they stop abusing and Love all folks all the time...

    God is Love, so all one has to do to get God within is to Love... sin is not Loving, it is unloving abuse of others and oneself, disobedience to Jesus and God's command to Love...

    sin then is all that stands between a man and his salvation , yet men pretend they can go one sinning and be saved by grace, Satan's lie , read the scripture Rom 6:1-15 :-

    Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

    Jesus will NOT take any who are still sinning, he says so :-

    Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

    2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

    the very foundation of God that makes one His is to stop sinning, everyne who names the Christ as Jesus is to stop sinning ...

    that is all you have to do first to find the way because if you stop sinning [as all commit to doing at water baptism] then God will baptise with His spirit to know all Truth from God, SURE, CERTAIN ,Truth from God Himself...
    put in your mind [John 16:13, Heb 8:10-11]

    it is YOUR choice then between Love if you want to follow Jesus and be saved , or sin following Satan's world religion [Rev 13:3-4] which says grace allows you to sin so long as you pay the sinner priest and pretend to repent every week as you continue to sin all your life abusing others...

    most choose sin and are destroyed [Matt 7:13] because death frees a man from sin [Rom 6:7] ... so if you turn your nose up at God's grace , forgiveness of PAST sins when one stops sinning, then the only other way God can save you si on the other side of death , another chance to not sin and countless many take it after being freed from hell... but note that they are saved by works after death frees them from sin , not by grace, at judgement day-Rev 20:13 ... countless many later saved [Rev 7:9-10] who all were destroyed in this life [Matt 7:13] whenonly few found the way of Love...

    those who abide in God don't sin any longer , those who sin do not knwo God or Jesus at all... but only a fake image of God and Jesus created by Satan [Rev 13:3-4] :-

    1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

    if you are born of God then you stop sinning or will have to die to free you from sin, no early salvation then for the righteous who turn back to sin

    1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

    Ezek 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

    The Truth of the new covenant
    is that God teaches ALL who are under grace, saints, Himself - Heb 8:10-11... so all one has to do is take water baptism seriously, STOP sinning when one says one will for water baptism... die to the old person of sin and be reborn to the happy life of Love ... then , as with Jesus after water baptism, God will baptise one to KNOW with no doubt His Truth -John 16:13..

    then one knows God through Love and all that remains is to MAINTAIN Love against all Satan's temptations, so-called 'baptism of fire', the trial of Love to prove one is not kidding oneself, that one does truly and freely Love by CHOICE of Love over sin...

    three baptisms then which agree as one , that God is Love... for Love si simply being ONE with everyone as God ultimately is because we are made in His image, spirit , and the spirit is one, undivided... thus all one is doing is going home to where one came from... the essence of the human being is spirit, not flesh

    in the end of time [and time is created, it does end] there is nowhere else to go and the spirit cannot be destroyed, it is of God.... so why draw out the emptiness of unloving lives , God will persuade one eventually that happiness is better than the misery sin always ends up in... or let life prove it to you the very hard way ... :)
     
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  2. PureDose

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    I thought God was always teaching people.
     
  3. strangertoo

    strangertoo sin is diabolical abuse of fellow humans-1John 3:8

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    God will teach anyone anytime who WILL LISTEN... but God can only teach folks to Love and that is no use saying if folks prefer sin for the time being [until the consequences of sin kick in]

    the tragedy for man of 'free will' is that most use it to destroy this earth and this ourselves with sin - Matt 7:13 - God cannot force anyone to Love all and live free of conflict with conscience, live without shame within , because Love MUST be given freely else it is no love at all...

    God can only persuade that He is right, cannot and will not even try to force anyone to do a thing [unlike sinners who run religion and governments who use fear to shape what most men do]

    so men are our own worst enemies... we make life unbearable for us all , except a very few who follow Jesus, perfect Love in this life, cease all abuse of others with sin...

    life eventually teaches folks sin was bad for them big-time, but too late to save this earth , too late to perfect Love in what little time is left mankind in this earth... the many are destroyed -Matt 7:13- by our sin abusing against one another --- our rat-race capitalist insanity of empty lives destroys itself by raping nature until it's miraculous stability is lost and it's phenomenal power kills us all , life ceases and God has no more use for this universe, craetes a new one with a new earth big enough for all men that ever lived to be resurrected there [but first the saints fo thsi erath are manifested there to crate the kingdom of Jesus, come at last ... opportunity for themany to Love after all are freed from hell [Rev 20:13] to be judged by works after death frees men from sin[Rom 6:7] and god can finally baptise all men into His Truth because they are free of sin...[Joel 2:28]
     
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  4. PureDose

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    Wait a minute here... how is it that Jesus said man and woman are united by God, is that by the ceremony of men, or the love God puts in their hearts? Maybe it is by a simple sexual act that causes men and women to be married?

    If God can cause a man to love a woman, and a woman to love a man, can not God also cause people to love one another who are not of their own kin and kind?

    Or, wasn't it said that those who crucified the Lord Jesus, that they did not recognize Jesus and did not understand what they were doing? Does this not imply that if they did recognize Jesus and did understand what they were doing they never would have done it?


    But, this still leaves the question of *how*?

    Or is this even something anyone should consider? Maybe just wait until Jesus comes back with the angels. Then everyone will believe?
     
  5. strangertoo

    strangertoo sin is diabolical abuse of fellow humans-1John 3:8

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    Exodus 22:16 And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.

    sure, but Love is not sexual anyway ... Love has nothing to with gender games of lust...

    That indeed is what scripture says, why not read it ?

    how to what ??? how to Love? ... first stop abusing others with sin, then God will teach how to Love

    2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

    John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

    1 Thessalonians 4:9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

    Jesus comes next to take the few saints, and indeed many will learn to Love in the righteous kingdom come in the next life... some do not evenstop sinning until after a second death frees them from sin a second time [Rom 6:7]
     
  6. Soulgazer

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    [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]127.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]A householder acquired everything—whether son or slave or cattle or dog or swine, whether wheat or barley or straw or hay or [bones] or meat (or) acorns. Yet he (was) wise and knew the food of each [one]. Before the sons he indeed set bread with [olive-oil and meat; before] the slaves he set castor-oil with grain; and before the cattle [he set barley] with straw and hay; to the dogs he cast bones; yet before [the swine] he threw acorns and crusts of bread. So it is with the Disciple of God—if he is wise, he is perceptive about the Discipleship. The bodily forms will not deceive him, but rather he will then observe the disposition of the soul of each one in order to speak with him. In the world there are many animals made in human form—these he is accustomed to recognize. To the swine indeed he will throw acorns; yet to the cattle he will cast barley with straw and hay; to the dogs he will cast bones; to the slaves he will give the elementary[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]¹[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]; to the Sons he will present the perfect[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]²[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]([/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]¹[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]the Torah; [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]²[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]the Gospel; Mk 5:9-12[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]![/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]/7:27[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]![/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Mt 7:6[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]![/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Jn 7:24[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]![/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif],[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Th 93, Ph 79[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]![/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]; NB five spiritual levels and/or stages are here stipulated; hyperlinear) ~ Philip
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  7. Soulgazer

    Soulgazer Christian Gnostic

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    [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1God knows which food each requires.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
    God knows who requires what
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  8. PureDose

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  9. strangertoo

    strangertoo sin is diabolical abuse of fellow humans-1John 3:8

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    You again missed the point in scripture ...

    more literally [Young's literal translation] :-

    Rom 6:7 for he who hath died hath been set free from the sin.

    this the point then ... that death unconditionally frees a man from sin

    unlike grace there are no restrictions

    we know the new covenant places restrictions on who receives grace

    ONLY those whose fathers broke the old covenant are under grace [Jer 31:31-34, Heb 8:8-12]

    thus only Irsael's two yet-divided nations' whom alone Jesus as Christ/Messiah came first to re-unite

    Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
     
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  10. timewerx

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    Also, if you keep holding on to the things of the flesh - money, possessions, and the pride of life...

    God will not teach you about things of the Spirit!

    Until I realized that my education, my job, my accomplishments, my possessions, my hobbies, my longing for great life and comfort are absolute abominations and absolutely disgusting even against the lowest of all creatures, God didn't start to reveal the truth to me in a dramatic way!!

    The more you disgust at the things of this world, the more God will love you!:thumbsup:

    I mean absolutely disgust at these things, even much more than a fly or mosquito!!!:waaah:

    For these things deceive!!!! But a fly or mosquito cannot!!!!
     
  11. Forge3

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    Yes. 'Listening'. God will teach us in secret places and out in the open as the disciple is open.
     
  12. PureDose

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    Hobbies, jobs, food, drink... these things are components of our lives with which we interact and use to interact with others.

    God has actually *forced* me to have a career and continue to work in it.
     
  13. strangertoo

    strangertoo sin is diabolical abuse of fellow humans-1John 3:8

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    Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

    few folks manage to understand this... and this:-

    Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

    reflecting that all the world will be AGAINST the couple of thousand scattered saints of God alive at Jesus' early return , early to save them being simply overwhelmed ...
     
  14. timewerx

    timewerx the village i--o--t--

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    Is it really so hard or is it because.

    Only FEW were truly reborn of the Spirit, a new creation in Christ??
     
  15. DrBubbaLove

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    Was it a sin to deny Jesus the night He was betrayed?
     
  16. strangertoo

    strangertoo sin is diabolical abuse of fellow humans-1John 3:8

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    I don't think 'hard' is the right word ...

    God knows how few will CHOOSE freely to Love [Matt 7:14, Rev 7:3-8, Jude 1:14] in this world dominated by evil religion and politics [Rev 13:3-4]

    and God knows how many like Jesus He requires to run the kingdom of Jesus as its kings and priests in the new earth, the next life...

    we can work it out roughly and see , Jesus saves 144,000 saints , consider that each of these perfected in Love, images of the son of God as scripture says, no longer sinning at all, how many can they save if they are as good as Jesus at saving folks in the kingdom after the many destroyed in this earth [Matt 7:13] are all released from hell [Rev 20:13] to be judged by their works [Rev 20:13] after death frees them from sin [Rom 6:7] , not grace...

    the answer is 20 billion , about the same as the number of men that ever lived... so we know 144,000 is indeed all that God requires for the power process of using the firstfruit saints of this earth to save the many later [Rev 7:9-10] ...

    as for being born of the spirit, God cannot do spirit baptism until one is prepared to LISTEN ... sinners listen to Satan, not to God :-


    1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him
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    1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil


    1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

    - so the 144,000 are those who STOP sinning , Jesus says he will take none who are still sinning :-


    Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


    Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.


    2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

    So it is simply a matter that FEW freely choose to Love, to sin no more , to STOP abusing and Love folks instead BECAUSE they Love God and Jesus, obey Jesus as Lord in his command not to sin but to Love...

    that is all who are persuaded by Jesus' words , the many listen to sinners who listen to sinners ... who listen to sinners who listen to Satan...

    so it is a simple choice, one either desires to sin or to Love... most NOW prefer sin , not knowing how terrible are the longer-term consequences [and Satan sure won't tell anyone]

    most are tempted by Satan's lies , even teh religions of teh world are led by Satan as the false God, false Christ -Rev 13:3-4 - only a couple of thousand saints left alive at the time of Satan's three and a half years of world power worshipped as God , so few, resist accepting the wrong god, a man in place of Christ ['antichristos', 'Vicarius Filii Dei' (=666 summed in Latin numerals)]
     
  17. timewerx

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    NO, it was the devil who forced you into his evil worldly system not God.

    Live like a poor so you can give most of your earnings to the poor. Don't take pride in your education, career, accomplishments, if anything, you should be ashamed of those things!

    If you live like poor, you can also works less, take simpler jobs so you can spend more effort to God.

    Stop working for things that don't last. It won't profit you a bit! You might just invite God's wrath later!

    This is not really an advice but rather a test.

    For anyone truly reborn of the Spirit will begin to absolutely despise the things of this world, all the works of man, all evil things.
     
  18. strangertoo

    strangertoo sin is diabolical abuse of fellow humans-1John 3:8

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    the devil doesn't force anyone, just tempts with lies about how good it is to abuse folks with sin...

    indeed education by sinners leads to sin many ways ... and desire for money is the root of much sin

    God's wrath amounts only to not saving one from the end of this earth and heavens as man destroys our own planet for nothing of any use to us ... man is so shirt-sighted... God has the answer though ... death frees a man from sin, resurrection to the Loving kingdom inspires men to Loveas God can baptise all flesh at last - once free of sin by death men have ears to hear, will listen to God instead of Satan -Joel 2:28

    there are [a very few] good works of the [very few]saints too... and God even uses evil for good, only by suffering from evil do some men accept that Satan is no god... that temptations to abuse with sin is lies, doesn't lead to happiness, but misery ...

    Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

    the opposite of Love is sin, not hate... only some hatred leads to sin...
     
  19. Senecharnix

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    Your conclusion is wobbly. But there is some truth in it....
     
  20. strangertoo

    strangertoo sin is diabolical abuse of fellow humans-1John 3:8

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    God proves to Satan that he is no god [Ezek 28] after Satan declares himself to be God [2Thess 2:4] having united world religion and all nation states into worshipping him as God and Messiah-Rev 13:3-4 , God-with-us [Emanuel]
    ...Satan thus dies as a man for blasphemy [being a Jew of the tribe of Judah to be accepted by Jews and 'christian sinners' as the Messiah] , God's way of beginning his conversion to accepting Jesus by showing he cannot prevent his own death as a man... [notably unlike Jesus who chooses death for Love when he has the right to be translated free of death]

    thus the devil is no god, just a fake, but a fake who rules this whole earth [Rev 13:3-4]bar a couple of thousand saints , and they about to give in with the whole of world religion and Satan against them when Jesus comes back early to save them for the sake of saving all later [as they are to be the kings and priests of the kingdom serving the many after all are freed from hell -Rev 20:13- free from sin by death, not grace[Rom 6:7] , baptised of the spirit after death because they have ears to hear without the burden of sin...Joel 2:28...and so countless many saved later [Rev 7:9-10] who clearly are destroyed with this earth [Matt 7:13-14]

    the power of Love, power of God, asserts itself absolutely surely , BUT SLOWLY because mankind is so easily persuaded by lies and because Love cannot be forced, must be given freely else it is not Love at all... men have to decide to Love , most now decide to lie and sin because they can, man is very 'short-sighted' when deciding what to do... sin has immediate appeal to minds that do not look far , the misery from all sins comes later mostly...that is why they are called sins , they bring evil on men , suffering from man abusing man instead of being Loving as God says is the only way that works long-term...

    men can and will learn, but it takes more than one life for many... some learn without dying as Enoch did and a few since , but many take two lives to become Loving and be translated ['saved' , free of death], some take three lives before they stop abusing and find out Love is better for them too...
     
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