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Fight 77 Never Crashed Into The Pentagon

Discussion in 'General Political Discussion' started by Terral, Jul 1, 2008.

  1. Terral

    Terral Senior Member

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    Greetings to All:

    Flight 77 never crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11 or any other day. Everyone here is encouraged to produce just one picture of Flight 77 crashed outside the Pentagon, inside the Pentagon or anywhere else, because none exist anywhere but in the minds of deluded men. The first place to begin is the 911research Website (here) where I encourage everyone to hit the &#8220;<< PREVIOUS&#8221; and &#8220;NEXT >>&#8221; buttons to review the evidence and make up your minds for yourselves. We are talking about a Boeing 757-200 Jetliner (pic) about 155 feet long, 125 feet wide with a massive tail section standing over four stories tall down to the tarmac and weighing in at a whopping 100 tons. The massive Rolls-Royce engines (pic) weigh in at 6 tons each and are positioned approximately fifty feet apart under the massive wing sections (schematic). This picture (pic) highlights the &#8220;Plane Dimensions Relative To Impact&#8221; being 177 feet, because the Official Cover Story says AA77 crashed into the West Wedge Wall from the south on a 45-degree angle (like this) traveling at 530 miles per hour.

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    This picture was taken shortly after the Pentagon was attacked at 9:31:39 AM and again at 9:36:27 AM (pic) where the Official DoD/FBI Cover Story says AA77 crashed into the Pentagon just over the hood of that red Fort Meyer SUV fire truck. According to the Official Story, this picture cannot be taken later than 9:57 AM, because that marks the precise time (ACAAR = Page 200) that the E-Ring Roof collapsed; and our picture shows that roof still standing. The Pentagon (link) is comprised of five concentric rings (pic), but always keep in mind that the first floor is contained under a single roof (showing trajectory angle) inside one outer E-Ring masonry wall and one inner C-Ring masonry wall (diagram). A close-up shot of our E-Ring entry hole looks exactly like this:

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    Again, we are looking at a picture of the outer E-Ring wall where the DoD/FBI Cover Story says AA77 did one of these numbers (pic) going 530 miles per hour less than a half hour earlier. Bring your attention to the massive cable spools (pic) standing just behind and over the heads of the four firemen &#8216;and&#8217; directly in the path of the 100-Ton Cover Story Fantasy Jetliner. Then realize that this E-Ring outer wall was built using 21-inch solid masonry columns on exactly 10-feet centers (like this) allowing us to know the precise measurements for drafting Damage Assessment Diagrams. The second story entry hole is between Column Line (CL) 13 and CL-15 that measures exactly 18-feet 3-inches (inside red circle) with all the third-story windows remaining intact (damage schematic). Note that even the two second-story windows remain intact just left of the little 18-feet diameter entry hole, which would be impossible if a real 100-Ton Jetliner passed through here going 530 miles per hour. A close-up shot from the left side looks exactly like this:

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    While the center of CL-14 (center of impact) was protected by the large cable spools (pic), the left side is the location of the green SUV parked directly in front of CL-8 exactly 59 feet from the center of impact. A man can stand on the roof of this green SUV and reach up to touch the elevation of the still-intact second story concrete slab running over to our still-intact second story windows. The Official Cover Story says a real 100-Ton Jetliner passed over the tops of this SUV and the cable spools &#8216;and&#8217; under the still-intact second story slab, which in NO WAY provides sufficient space to accommodate that kind of fantasy explanation. If we divided our 177 feet from the Impact Schematic in half (88.5 feet) and count nine columns north (to the left), that means we should have left-wing damage all the way over to CL-5!!! And yet, our updated damage diagram (pic = story) shows Column #9 and even Column #10 remaining intact. This means our actual first-floor damage on the left side runs from CL-14 to CL-10 spanning just about 40 feet. However (this is very important), we have real pictures of what a real Jetliner can do to even steel-framed buildings also taken on 9/11!

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    Note very carefully that we can even see the wingtips on either side of the massive entry hole, but we see nothing like that in these Pentagon photographs at all. The trained military experts in this short video all agree with my thesis that &#8220;Flight 77 DID NOT crash into the Pentagon.&#8221;

    Expert Witness Testimony

    Listen to the experts to realize that their conclusions match the precise statements of Jamie McIntyre standing directly in front of the Pentagon making his report on 9/11:

    Jamie McIntyre On 9/11

    Let the record show that Donald Rumsfeld told Parade Magazine on 9/12 that the Pentagon was struck by a missile!

    Rummy To Parade Magazine

    Now go back through all the evidence and realize that we have been looking at damage from a missile strike all along . . . (my thread).

    In Christ Jesus,

    Terral
     
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  2. Avatar

    Avatar Well-Known Member Supporter

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    So where's the plane? Still up there waiting for clearance to land? Inquiring minds want to know.
     
  3. Billnew

    Billnew Legend

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    The plane was blasted by space aliens using a photon pulse cannon,
    the same weapon used to blast the pentegon.

    Tractor beams caused the airliners to crash into the WTC, B ush is allowing the aliens to infiltrate the world in the guise of International world terrorism.

    Everyone grab your tinfoil hats, then you can see the aliens for what they really are.

    I found a cookbook, called How best to serve man!!!!:yum::yum:
     
  4. Terral

    Terral Senior Member

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    Hi Avatar and Bill:

    If you have pictures of AA77 crashed ANYWHERE, then this is your opportunity to haul those out and show everyone here ‘your’ version of ‘the’ 911Truth. The Opening Post thesis is very clear and very simple that Flight 77 DID NOT crash into the Pentagon on 9/11 or any other day. Nobody is stepping up to the plate to take any swings at my OP hypothesis, because nobody has that kind of evidence. Where the plane is right now (link and link) is the topic of another discussion.

    You know what? We could use some input from a guy that can actually spell ‘Pentagon:0)

    This Flight 77/Pentagon Topic has nothing to do with tractor beams, the WTC-7 case (my thread) or Senor Bushie’s involvement in planning and carrying out these 9/11 atrocities (Inside Job link) against We The People.

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    This is a picture of the outer E-Ring wall where Senor Bush says a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashed less than 30 minutes earlier. Note the clean lawn and the E-Ring roof still standing ‘and’ no entry hole large enough for any Jetliner ‘and’ no Jetliner anywhere.

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    This is another side view taken from the south that also shows NO PLACE to hide any 100-Ton Jetliner, when the massive tail section should have broken windows on the fourth floor. The person to ask “Where is AA77???” is Senor Bush and his FBI/CIA/DoD Cronies running around telling Loyal Bushie LIES and deceiving everyone into believing their fantasies.

    Tinfoil what? If this is the Billnew, then one can just imagine the contributions from the old Bill. :0) If the Opening Post explanation seems dead wrong, then someone please post that picture of Flight 77 crashed into the above standing E-Ring wall! BTW, these 110 military people (starting with General Wesley Clark) all agree with me that we need a new 9/11 Investigation, because Senor Bushie’s story (pic) simply does not hold water.

    Hey! I found a picture (pic) of how my debating adversary is serving the members and readers of this fine CF.com Board! If all you can do is come out here to write one and two-sentence drivel and whine, then perhaps the best thing to do in the future is remain silent and appear wise (Proverbs) to someone . . . Keep up the nice work . . .

    In Christ Jesus,

    Terral
     
  5. _Zap_

    _Zap_ Regular Member

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    Whoah, a whole 110 military people? Amazing.

    Except there are over a million military personnel on active duty alone. Whoops, guess that number isn't so impressive anymore, huh?

    And then we could look at the number of ex military suffering from mental illness. It seems to me like General Clark fits the bill: http://www.antiwar.com/orig/jatras.php?articleid=1502

    So, congrats on having a tiny minority of the mentally ill military population support you. Give yourself a pat on the back.
     
  6. invisible trousers

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    Terral could you calculate the TNT equivalent of the explosive power of the amount of fuel on board at impact for us?
     
  7. Terral

    Terral Senior Member

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    Hi Zap:

    What we have here is a definite failure to communicate or substantiate the Official Cover Story in any way, shape or form. If Zap has positive proof that AA77 crashed into the Pentagon, then where is ‘his’ evidence? :0)

    I do not require the testimony of one military witness to prove AA 77 DID NOT crash into the Pentagon, which is clearly evident by the lack of Jetliner debris in all the OP photographs. Also, these 110 military witnesses, including Major General Albert Subblebine (link) represent a mere sampling of military people advocating my OP hypothesis. Zap has NO CASE for Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon or anywhere else and he really thinks “Zap” (heh) has greater credibility than all these military witnesses combined. :0) What a joke!

    And there is only one “Zap!” :0) How many years of military service do you have to stack up against the combined service of these 110 military witnesses? Here is another list (link) of people (professors, pilots, aviation professionals, architects, engineers, etc.) with concerns about the bogus 911Commission Report demanding a new independent investigation. I can fill this thread with thousands and thousands of people, but Zap (heh) thinks you should follow him around, as if he even has a case to support the Official Cover Story. :0)

    The question remains about what ‘evidence’ Zap has to disprove the OP hypothesis saying that AA77 DID NOT Crash Into The Pentagon?

    GL,

    Terral
     
  8. Ryal Kane

    Ryal Kane Senior Veteran

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    Two hundred words Terral: What were the events of 9/11.

    Not what you think didn't happen. Tell us in your own words, what you think did.

    Until you have an alternative theory that's more probably, all you're doing here is trolling.
     
  9. joebudda

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    So this is the logic you are using.

    Lets say I told you my keys were on the end table. You look at see that the end table is empty, yet the keys must be on the end table until you have an alternative theory where my keys are. So the "keys on the end table" theory must be true until you can support a more probable theory where the keys are.

    As I hope you can see, what you asserting is completely void of logic, I might even call it trolling.
     
  10. Lisa0315

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    So, what kind of crap is this??? My co-worker lost a family member in that plane. I want to know why someone dares to start a thread like this! :mad:
     
  11. joebudda

    joebudda Newbie

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    In other words, to question is bad.
     
  12. Lisa0315

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    No, questioning is not bad, but I suppose body parts of victims identified by DNA is not enough evidence?
     
  13. Terral

    Terral Senior Member

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    Hi trousers with Marchlewis mentioned:

    Note: I believe Marchlewis is happy for me to include comments from our recent PM conversation. If I am wrong then please send me the PM right away and I will edit those comments out of this post. TY.

    Yes, but why? I went over the calculations with marchlewis in a PM in answer to a similar query using round numbers and basic math:

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    Hi Marshlewis:

    The missing wreckage is the evidence you are looking for. :0)

    The right weight for the 757-200 Jetliner is 100 tons. You do not want an empty weight, because AA77 was supposed to be flying with a regular passenger/fuel load. AA77 is &#8216;supposed&#8217; to have had 5,300 gal (36,200 lbs) of fuel (http://killtown.911review.org/chart.html) with the Engine Model: RB211-535E4B. Operating empty with P&W engines 57,840kg (127,520lb), with RB211s 57,975kg (127,810lb). You are looking at an empty weight of 128,000 pounds and a maximum takeoff weight of 255,000 pounds, so the right answer for your equation is still right at 200,000 pounds. Use this round number in your calculation, so that the answer tells us the energy released in a real operating 757-200 Jetliner and not one just off the assembly line with no fuel, cargo, passengers and crew aboard.

    Remember that Jet fuel is only kerosene. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel The flash point of kerosene is only 100.4 degrees F with an autoignition temperature at 410 degrees F. The Open Air burning Temperature is only 549.5 degrees F. However, the melting point of Titanium is a whopping 3135 degrees F. Obviously this means a mountain of kerosene will not melt one ounce of Titanium in any open air fire. :0) Any kerosene would reach the flash point temperature and vaporize LONG before contributing to the melting of any Titanium in a 100-Ton Jetliner. We saw good examples of that in the WTC cases (pic) where these explosions burned off the available kerosene in mere seconds and could NOT have contributed to the melting of any Titanium in the Jetliners or steel in the WTC Towers. There is no energy source coefficient to enter into your equation, except for what is contained in the &#8220;Mass&#8221; itself. :0) Your calculation will prove insufficient evidence for AA77 to simply vaporize into thin air leaving no partially melted titanium that should be present.

    You are looking at Energy = Mass (200,000) times the speed of light (180,000 mps) squared (32,400,000,000). Your Mass number (200,000) is given in pounds and the speed of light (180,000) appears in seconds, so the government is saying 200,000 pounds of Mass spontaneously combusted into thin air to &#8216;release&#8217; ALL of the energy without leaving any Mass at all. :0) Therefore, to reduce your Mass number to &#8216;zero,&#8217; we need to see the &#8216;release&#8217; of all that ENERGY in less than .39 seconds, because supposedly the 100-ton Jetliner passed through the outer E-Ring Wall, but was &#8216;destroyed&#8217; before passing out the other side just 220 feet away (rear C-Ring Wall). When we find our hypotenuse across the 45-degree angle (pic), then we extend that number to 330 feet and use the 530 MPH number (for velocity). Multiply everything out and you will find that AA77 disappeared off of this planet in just .39 seconds. :0) That means you must multiply your Energy number by about 2.5 to gain the accurate value, because remember your speed of light number appears in &#8216;seconds&#8217; and the Official Story says the Jetliner vaporized in almost one third of a second. Therefore, the basic equation looks like this:

    Energy = Mass X Speed of Light Squared the number in (x) brackets is the power number = 200,000 = 2 (5) = two to the fifth power:

    Energy = 2(5) X 3.24 (8) = 6.48 (13) = 6,480,000,000,000,000 X 2.5 = 16.2 (26) = 16,200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

    The obvious problem is the release of that kind of energy would vaporize everything in the immediate environment &#8216;and&#8217; we have books without any burn marks at the very location where the Cover Story says all of this took place (pic). Look right in the middle of the page and note the open book on the chair. :0) This is a picture of Column Line 11 with the book positioned on the second floor just on the north side of that column line. In other words, your job is not only to show how all of that Mass was converted to Energy, but also to show us how that transformation took place directly adjacent to an open book where the pages were not even burned. :0)

    Good Luck,

    Terral
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    The amount of kerosene injected into the Pentagon environment is minuscule in comparison to the amount of Energy released according to the FBI/DoD Cover Story. Hydrocarbon fuels simply do not burn hot enough to even be considered within our E=MC2 equation. The fact that we have paper books and other paper objects directly adjacent to where the Cover Story says AA77 vaporized is evidence that no 100-Ton Jetliner was &#8216;destroyed&#8217; at this location. The very first problem is that you have no active fuel source to initiate the transition of solid titanium into a liquid form, which would leave over 60 tons of melted metal. Then you definitely have no catalyst for initiating the transformation of that 60 tons (not to mention the two 6-ton engines) into a &#8216;gaseous&#8217; state that requires exponentially more input energy. In other words, you can extrapolate a very large amount of Energy (E=MC2) from a bowling ball, but only IF you have sufficient energy to initiate the vaporization process. Unfortunately for the Official Cover Story, there is no fuel source in any of these equations to &#8216;initiate&#8217; the vaporization of even one pound of Titanium. :0) The introduction of that kind of energy would vaporize the entire Pentagon in about one second and leave an impact crater the size of Rhode Island. :0) The reason our government says AA77 was &#8216;Destroyed&#8217; (NTSB Report) is because there is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever that AA77 ever crashed at the Pentagon, which is just what the OP hypothesis says in the first place. :0)

    If you really want to see the reality of the ridiculous nature of the Official Cover Story (people have been DUPED), then ready yourself from some gruesome evidence. If you have a weak stomach, then do not click on this link! Everyone has been warned . . .

    Human Remains:

    The first picture shows a male victim from the supposed AA77 crash surrounded by &#8216;not destroyed&#8217; Jetliner debris. Note how the upper torso is burned severely, but the pants of this same victim remained unburned. The evidence says this victim suffered from direct exposure to hydrocarbon-based torching to his upper torso, while the remainder of his body is virtually untouched. If this Jetliner really crashed going 530 miles per hour, AND even the engines were incinerated out of existence, then how does this victim come out without even one broken bone? This victim is pictured sitting back with both arms on the rests on either side of his seat, which is exactly the way most everyone here has sat during a typical Jetliner flight. So, why is this guy still leaning backwards and not pushed through the front of the vaporizing Jetliner going 530 MPH? Move down to the second picture where the victim has his blue checkered flannel shirt pulled out of his trousers. Then look over and note his oversized black wallet stuffed into his front right-hand pocket, which is also typical of every man taking a trip across the country on any typical Jetliner. Note again that this body has NOT EVEN ONE BROKEN BONE, but somehow we are expected to believe the bodies survived the AA77 Jetliner crash that included the entire Jetliner being &#8220;destroyed.&#8221; This body has obviously been moved to stage this photo op, which is how the unburned blue section of his shirt was pulled out of his pants. At least the real Inside-Job Bad Guys did not pick the man&#8217;s pocket . . .

    The lesson is that nobody need run any &#8220;AA77 Vaporization&#8221; Calculations, because we have completely intact bodies from victims in the photographs without signs of even one broken bone. How did the engines and 60 tons of titanium simply vaporize into thin air around these intact bodies? :0) That is very much IMPOSSIBLE, because the Official Cover Story is a Loyal Bushie LIE.

    In Christ Jesus,

    Terral
     
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  14. Lisa0315

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    How did my co-worker's sister-in-law get inside of the Pentagon then?
     
  15. Terral

    Terral Senior Member

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    Hi Lisa:

    Many people died on 9/11, but that does not make the Official Cover Story ‘true’ by any stretch of the imagination. You should be more concerned about seeing the ‘real’ Inside-Job Terrorists (the real bad guys) brought to justice, than attempting to point fingers at me for telling ‘the’ 911Truth. Does Lisa have evidence to refute ONE THING in the Opening Post of this thread? No! If she had that kind of evidence, then we would not be suffering through her ‘co-worker’ statements that add nothing whatsoever to this deliberation process. The very next victim in the very next Inside-Job attack (out west in California = Oakland) might very well be you!

    If you really want to endorse Senor Bushie’s explanation for these 9/11 attacks (pic), then by all means start hauling out your evidence for AA77 crashing anywhere. "Crap" is exactly what you have presented against my OP hypothesis. GL.

    In Christ Jesus,

    Terral
     
  16. Lisa0315

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    How did my co-worker's sister-in-law get inside the Pentagon?

    Lisa
     
  17. Terral

    Terral Senior Member

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    Hi Donkey:

    How about if Donkey dumps his bullony somewhere else other than in this AA77 discussion? You people have some nerve to come out here and write one-sentence nonsense on these threads, in direct defiance of COC guidelines everywhere, AND without addressing the thesis statement, claims, evidence or conclusions from the Opening Post. A real troll starts these debates by asking a few silly questions (like here and here) to then go around bashing anyone in the head stupid enough to fall into their trap. However, anyone can return to my OP and see the use of NO question marks whatsoever. The man holding &#8216;the&#8217; 911Truth need not ask a bunch of silly questions to lead others &#8216;away&#8217; from what the &#8216;evidence&#8217; is clearly saying. You people coming onto this thread using one and two-sentence stupidity represent the trolls in these debates. You come out here to point at others and call people names with no intention addressing the OP hypothesis one way or the other, when in reality those three witnesses are pointing straight back at you. :0)

    Keep up the nice work,

    Terral
     
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  18. joebudda

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    These are excellent examples of projection.
     
  19. Terral

    Terral Senior Member

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    Hi Donkey:

    Owned? :0) If you disagree with anything presented in the OP of this thread, then please show us your pictures of AA77 crashed at the Pentagon. The fact is that MANY people are in denial of the 911Truth and would rather believe 100-Ton Jetliners crashed where nothing (FL93) like that ever (Thread) happened. Please head back up to the OP and try to prove one statement wrong.

    GL, because you need it, :0)

    Terral
     
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2008
  20. Ryal Kane

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    Hmm. I'll concede that my post was a little too short tempered and snappy.

    But so far, in this and all other threads, everyone who's suggesting that 9/11 is a conspiracy has failed to answer the very direct question:
    What do you think happened?

    I think that the reason for this is often that, when actually put down on paper the alternative theory is far more absurd and convoluted than the 'official story'
     
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