Fentanyl deaths rise

[disciple Clint]

What is clear is that the "open borders" story is inconsistent with such busts on the border. The people who are promoting that story know it's false, and don't care,if they can just get gullible people to believe it.

The gullible people believe that we have control of our border, the people who work there have declared over and over that we do not, they know the truth.

 

[The Barbarian]

The gullible people believe that we have control of our border

As you see, the gullible believe we have "open borders." But if we did, we wouldn't be catching all those guys.

And the people who work there, never see the real flow of illegal aliens. Most fly in, now or cross legally at checkpoints. Learn about it here:

And most drugs come in carried by people entering legally.

The first step to dealing with a problem, is gaining a realistic view of it.

 

[disciple Clint]

As you see, the gullible believe we have "open borders." But if we did, we wouldn't be catching all those guys.

And the people who work there, never see the real flow of illegal aliens. Most fly in, now or cross legally at checkpoints. Learn about it here:

And most drugs come in carried by people entering legally.

The first step to dealing with a problem, is gaining a realistic view of it.

Yes a realistic view is that we catch a very small percentage and the border is and has been out of control since Biden became president. It is important to up the facts to reflect what has happened in the past two years.

 

[The Barbarian]

Yes a realistic view is that we catch a very small percentage and the border is and has been out of control since Biden became president.

That's a odd belief, seeing as we have intercepted about three times more Fentanyl than for an equal period under Trump. Trump's "we are more worried about illegal workers than we are worried about drug smugglers" approach has been reversed. Biden is intercepting more amphetemines than Trump, also.
Drug Seizure Statistics

 

[HannahT]

What is clear is that the "open borders" story is inconsistent with such busts on the border. The people who are promoting that story know it's false, and don't care,if they can just get gullible people to believe it.

So, busts show the border is more secure. I see. The cartels that allow their product to use this passage of entry...are just gullible groups that believe its doable. Yet, that seems inconsistent with their mission.

You would think that they realize some of their product will be seized, but if most product is seized - to make your theory consistent? Where is the profit to be made? They aren't doing this to help theories of whatever side of the political aisle people decide to place themselves in. They are doing it for the cash. They are doing it for the power - among other things that cartels are after. If they aren't getting enough return on ANY port of entry...they wouldn't use it. Your theory on the busts at the border seems a bit inconsistent with the reality of evil cartels.

The worse part of this thread? People pointing out other ports of entry are also being used as some WINNING point on their side of the debate, because I guess the human toll of the country shouldn't be seen as the bigger picture here. Last I knew the government was also responsible for those ports as well. They are struggling with all the ports of entry - borders, etc. These drugs are dangerous, and are ruining people, communities, etc. That's the bigger picture we should be combatting, instead of the rest of the stupid stuff.

They are also saying that human trafficking instead of the drugs brings them more cash now. So, if drugs seized is going down? Could be they found a more profitable source, and when you are dealing with criminals? They really don't care about what the product is - just their returns.

 

[Little Dove]

Satan is doing all he can to kill & destroy, because he knows that his time is short. God help us.

 

[The Barbarian]

So, busts show the border is more secure. I see.

It means we're doing a better job of getting the bad guys. Because the Trump administration gave drug smuggling a lower priority than stopping illegal immigrants, there was a lot of it getting through.

Drug Prosecutions Drop To Historic Lows Under Trump

Despite widespread concern about an epidemic of opioid abuse, and announcements by Attorney General Jeff Sessions and others of stepped of efforts by his department and the Trump administration to address it, federal criminal prosecutions for drug offenses have dropped to historic lows.
https://trac.syr.edu/tracreports/crim/475/

In his haste to do something about workers coming here illegally, he dropped the ball on drug smugglers. Now, we're starting to get it under control again. But seizures of drugs under Biden, while higher than under Trump, are nowhere as high as hysterical exaggerations by some republicans have it:

The overall increase in fentanyl seized at the southwest border under President Joe Biden is nowhere near as high as a Republican ad misleadingly claims. U.S. border officials seized 13,021 pounds of the drug in Biden’s first full 15 months in office, which is 70% more than the 7,677 pounds seized in Donald Trump’s last full 15 months as president.

But an ad from Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson and the National Republican Senatorial Committee suggests that the increase under Biden was nearly 58 times higher.

“Joe Biden opened America’s borders, increasing the flow of deadly drugs into our communities,” the ad’s narrator says of the president, who does not have an “open borders” immigration policy, as the ad falsely suggests. For example, U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials have continued to apprehend and expel tens of thousands of people each month.
Ad Misleads on Percentage Increase in Fentanyl Seizures Under Biden - FactCheck.org

Biden's tougher on drug smugglers than Trump was, but he's not 58 times tougher.

You would think that they realize some of their product will be seized, but if most product is seized - to make your theory consistent? Where is the profit to be made?

They just raise prices. That's why the cost of illegal drugs fell under Trump. Supply and demand.

 

[RileyG]

Lord have mercy

 

[disciple Clint]

That's a odd belief, seeing as we have intercepted about three times more Fentanyl than for an equal period under Trump. Trump's "we are more worried about illegal workers than we are worried about drug smugglers" approach has been reversed. Biden is intercepting more amphetemines than Trump, also.
Drug Seizure Statistics

once again there is a record amout of drug trafficking now so there should be a record number of arrests, how is that not clear?

 

[The Barbarian]

once again there is a record amout of drug trafficking now so there should be a record number of arrests, how is that not clear?

What is clear is that as illegal drug smuggling was rapidly increasing, enforcement declined under the Trump administration.

Drug Prosecutions Drop To Historic Lows Under Trump
https://trac.syr.edu/tracreports/crim/475/

Taking resources from drug enforcement to ramp up action against undocumented workers had consequences. And now we're going to have to work to undo those consequences. It doesn't take genius to figure out that not enforcing the law, will encourage law-breakers.

It wasn't entirely "open borders" under Trump. The DEA and Border Patrol did what they could with what Trump gave them. But Trump and his guys were so afraid that people might come to America and get a job, that they closed their eyes to a much, much bigger problem.

 

[Semper-Fi]

That's a odd belief..

Biden’s Border Crisis Is Much Worse Than You Think – Issues & Insights

"the number that you never hear about is the one that should scare you the most. That’s the number of “got aways.” These are the illegals who purposely evade border patrol agents, most likely because they know that, if they were caught, they’re criminals, gang members, or would-be terrorists who know they won’t get released in the wild.

How many got-aways are there? The CBP can only estimate, but they say that they are aware of more than 600,000 over the last fiscal year, and figure the number tops 1 million since Joe Biden took office.

And with the CPB constantly overwhelmed by the number of people walking across Biden’s open southern border, the number who evade capture is likely far higher than the CBP’s estimate."

 

[The Barbarian]

That's a odd belief, seeing as we have intercepted about three times more Fentanyl than for an equal period under Trump. Trump's "we are more worried about illegal workers than we are worried about drug smugglers" approach has been reversed. Biden is intercepting more amphetemines than Trump, also.
Drug Seizure Statistics

"the number that you never hear about is the one that should scare you the most. That’s the number of “got aways.”

There were a lot more of them under Trump, because he cared less about dangerous drugs being smuggled in than he cared about illegal immigrants coming here to work. And the result was a big increase in Fentanyl deaths.

With the emphasis back on interdicting drug smugglers, we're taking down a lot of the perps who got past Trump. He just didn't care:

Drug Prosecutions Drop To Historic Lows Under Trump
https://trac.syr.edu/tracreports/crim/475/