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Letters of Paul and the apostles were written certainly to various churches.
Paul wrote letters to specific churches because a) he was unable to visit them, b) they had written to him with a problem, c) because he had heard reports about their faith/behaviour which concerned him or d) to address false teaching, which was influencing them.
However they were also circulated among the churches
Only later on; not necessarily immediately, unless he asked them to be passed on - e.g. he instructed that one letter be given to the church at Laodicea.
because what rhe apostle said to one church was accepted as authority to all believers. The believers didn't say, "well that's just Ephesus and so it doesnt apply to us in Corinth."
They probably did.
The situations and circumstances were different in each church. For example, Paul criticised the church at Corinth for following different leaders which caused division among them (1 Cor 3). He also rebuked them for dishonouring the Lord's Supper (1 Cor 11.) I doubt that the church in Philippi read that and thought "Paul is unhappy with us because we are divided." There is little hint of criticism in Philippians. Paul wrote one short letter to them - not two long ones. Again, Paul is very angry with the church in Galatia for listening to "another Gospel" and to Judaisers who taught that new believers had to be circumcised and keep the law. I doubt the church at Colossae would have felt hurt that Paul was angry with them; their situation was completely different. If Colossae read the letter to the church at Galatia, they may have thought "oh dear; that church has problems, we need to pray for them."
It seems they were far better at differentiating between doctrine, which concerned matters of the faith and Gospel, and church practice which varied from church to church, than some of us are.

No, everything written is accepted as apostolic authority. Inspired scripture.
Everything?
Including Paul wishing that Judaisers would go and castrate themselves? Or teaching that widows under the age of 60 deserved no financial support? Or telling Timothy to stop drinking water and drink wine? Or telling another disciple to "bring my scrolls and cloak when you come to see me"? Or telling men that they shouldn't have long hair and women that they shouldn't wear gold and pearls?

Otherwise we have no doctrinal or scriptural basis at all for instruction for us today.
Of course we do.
Many people are able to distinguish between church practice, advice written to address a certain situation and unchanging truths about God, Jesus, the Gospel and the faith. I am quite sure that the churches themselves would have been able to.

Of course what was written is for all believers and not just those of the time or the church.
But Paul expected Jesus to return in his lifetime - as did all the Apostles. He would have had no concept that he was writing to future believers; never mind that the church would still be around 2000 years later, facing a whole host of different, cultural problems and split into hundreds of denominations. He didn't once talk about the problem of infant baptism v adult baptism, which translation of the Bible to use, whether or not to use a prayerbook in worship, whether it was right for bishops to live in large houses while some of their church members were poor. He didn't instruct churches about training lay people, lay preachers, pastoral workers, family workers etc. Even if he knew the word "safeguarding" he didn't teach on it - or on exclusive language etc. These are all modern-day issues faced by our churches today which are simply not addressed in Scripture, because they didn't have them.
Who says that we have to adopt the culture, the problems and so on of the 1st-century churches and accept Paul's solution to problems that we don't have?

We today when teaching scripture do not say that the scripturea.were only for the specific church and have no application for us today do we?
It depends on what it is. If it is Paul's teaching to the church at Galatia that they should not practice circumcision and that it is not needed for salvation, yes, we do.
The question of whether or not to circumcise 8-day-old baby boys has never arisen in my church.
Now Paul is giving instruction to Timothy how churches should opperate.
Is he?
Why doesn't he write directly to the churches, then? Why write important church instructions in a private, pastoral letter? Where does he say "I expect you to teach all the contents of this letter to all the churches"?

But he is speaking with apostolic authority as one who met Christ and was instructed by him and he carries the weight of inspiration.
There are different types of writing in the NT. Paul was inspired and appointed to preach, yes - but there were times that he was not preaching not referring to church doctrine.
If you were a female school teacher and you spent all day teaching, rebuking and encouraging kids, would you then go home and ask your husband if he needed help getting to the toilet? Of course not. Being a trained and professional teacher would not mean speaking to all people in the same way you spoke to kids. If you asked your husband for help that would not throw doubt on your ability to teach.
Different contexts.
If there is therefore any exhortation in Christ, if any consolation of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any tender mercies and compassions, make full my joy, that ye be of the same mind, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind; doing nothing through faction or through vainglory, but in lowliness of mind each counting other better than himself; not looking each of you to his own things, but each of you also to the things of others.

Does that only apply to the Philippians or all of us? I think you know the answer to that.
Well if you're taking Scripture literally, as some do, it is impossible for US to "make full MY joy" - Paul is not around, did not found my church and has no interest in, or authority over, how I behave.
And that is the nub of the whole thing; how we approach, understand and apply Scripture.
Of course, the need for Christian unity, not squabbling, humility and putting others first is a general one. These are characteristics of the Christian life rather than individual church practice; many other Scriptures say the same things and teach that is how Christians should live.
But we need to discern, and understand, each type of writing, the audience, the circumstances and how the people who received the letter would have understood it, rather than adopting an "it's in the Bible; do it" approach.

Far too often we disagree on what scripture says because one of us doesn't like it or disagrees with it.
Far too often people disagree on what Scripture says because they haven't studied it properly.
That is why we have cults like JWs, Mormons, Christian Scientists, Moonies etc saying, "that is not in Scripture", so they reject the Trinity, Christ's divinity or the cross. That is sometimes the reason behind people saying "the Bible does not forbid smoking/taking drugs/abortion/sleeping with my partner before marriage, so it's ok to do it." That is why churches are sometimes dogmatic about tithing because it's "mentioned" in the Bible - the same with debates on these forums about keeping the law.
 
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I dont think its that hard really. We are all human and want to see things our way. I've talked to a lot of people about various scriptures what I find is most of them who disagree with me end up saying, well I just don't believe that or I don't agree with the scripture. That tells me that it's about them and their personal belief system and not the scripture itself.

A really good example of this is when Jesus proclaims he is the only way to salvation, I know Christians who flat out don't agree with that. Why? Because they don't believe God is so restrictive. Why? Because it's their personal belief system.
I believe you where you say that you have personally encountered people who say that they do not agree with Scripture. No one in this thread has done so.
 
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We today when teaching scripture do not say that the scripturea.were only for the specific church and have no application for us today do we?
The "Scriptures", which are according to Protestant thinking 66 Books, in Roman Catholic 73 Books, and Orthodox 76 Books?

To regard the whole thing as God's inerrant (original languages) word, which I do, does not require me to somehow miss that they are 66 (to me) different books, varied in their purpose, the date in history upon which each was scribed, and the human channel through which each was delivered. Yes, accolades within the Epistles to local churches of the 1st Century, who were unified and faithfully teaching the gospel do not apply to the local church I was attending in 2023, which was doing no such thing, (so I left, and went elsewhere).

So we must seek how they apply, no each and every verse does not perfectly address our situation in the now.

Now Paul is giving instruction to Timothy how churches should opperate. Yes, he says "I". But he is speaking with apostolic authority as one who met Christ and was instructed by him and he carries the weight of inspiration. We should listen to what he is telling us.
Met with Christ in a vision, on the road to Damascus? After celebrating the death of Stephen, the first Christian martyr? Yes, this demonstrates the power of the Holy Ghost in human lives, precisely the basis of what I seek in a church leader. Are they inspired by the Spirit, are they changed by the Spirit? This requires someone guided to Shepherd the local gathering of Christians and seekers in my city, and in 2025. The gospel makes it perfectly clear that producing such a person is within God's capacity, and Paul's life and work, as recorded in the inerrant word of God, prove it.
 
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Women teach women....
Tit 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; {holiness: or, holy women } {false … : or, one who foments strife }
4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, {sober: or, wise }
5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
I love those verses. I honestly wish older women did more of that and the younger women listened.
 
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The "Scriptures", which are according to Protestant thinking 66 Books, in Roman Catholic 73 Books, and Orthodox 76 Books?
To regard the whole thing as God's inerrant (original languages) word, which I do, does not require me to somehow miss that they are 66 (to me) different books, varied in their purpose, the date in history upon which each was scribed, and the human channel through which each was delivered. Yes, accolades within the Epistles to local churches of the 1st Century, who were unified and faithfully teaching the gospel do not apply to the local church I was attending in 2023, which was doing no such thing, (so I left, and went elsewhere).
So we must seek how they apply, no each and every verse does not perfectly address our situation in the now.
Met with Christ in a vision, on the road to Damascus? After celebrating the death of Stephen, the first Christian martyr? Yes, this demonstrates the power of the Holy Ghost in human lives, precisely the basis of what I seek in a church leader. Are they inspired by the Spirit, are they changed by the Spirit? This requires someone guided to Shepherd the local gathering of Christians and seekers in my city, and in 2025. The gospel makes it perfectly clear that producing such a person is within God's capacity, and Paul's life and work, as recorded in the inerrant word of God, prove it.
Are Protestants missing anything valuable/important by not having the additional books that the Catholics have?
 
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Paul wrote letters to specific churches because a) he was unable to visit them, b) they had written to him with a problem, c) because he had heard reports about their faith/behaviour which concerned him or d) to address false teaching, which was influencing them.
My friend, you don't know this about me, but I am a Biblical Scholar with a degree in Biblical Liturature. So I know all about the letters, the history behind them, why they were written. I study the scripture using the original languages.

I dont say this to brag, but to simply let you know that there are many things you do not need to explain to me.

I am particularly interested in what it says and how it applies to us.
They probably did.
I dont think they did. Here's why. Sure there were things in each church that God addressed through Paul. However every scripture has an application to us or someone in the church. Maybe not now, but maybe in the future. And when Paul addresses things to one church or one person there are applications that fit us all. For example when he instructed Corinth on church etiquette, yes he was addressing Corinth, but there is application for all. Otherwise we could all just close the Bible and not study it because it doesn't apply to us in 2025. Thats a mistake to many make.
There are different types of writing in the NT.
Yes well aware due to my background.
And that is the nub of the whole thing; how we approach, understand and apply Scripture.
Yup well aware due to my background.
Far too often people disagree on what Scripture says because they haven't studied it properly.
Absolutely. That certainly can happen. I prefer though to trust that the Holy Spirit helps most with the understanding and that the majority of things can be understood simply by reading them. After all if the no one can understand what the Bible says without someone like me explaining it to them it's not doing them much good.

There is still the need for teachers though to help us dive deeper into the word as well. Thats why God gave the church the gifts.
That is sometimes the reason behind people saying "the Bible does not forbid smoking/taking drugs/abortion/sleeping with my partner before marriage, so it's ok to do it." That is why churches are sometimes dogmatic about tithing because it's "mentioned" in the Bible - the same with debates on these forums about keeping the law.
Yup.
 
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The "Scriptures", which are according to Protestant thinking 66 Books, in Roman Catholic 73 Books, and Orthodox 76 Books?

To regard the whole thing as God's inerrant (original languages) word, which I do, does not require me to somehow miss that they are 66 (to me) different books, varied in their purpose, the date in history upon which each was scribed, and the human channel through which each was delivered. Yes, accolades within the Epistles to local churches of the 1st Century, who were unified and faithfully teaching the gospel do not apply to the local church I was attending in 2023, which was doing no such thing, (so I left, and went elsewhere).

So we must seek how they apply, no each and every verse does not perfectly address our situation in the now.


Met with Christ in a vision, on the road to Damascus? After celebrating the death of Stephen, the first Christian martyr? Yes, this demonstrates the power of the Holy Ghost in human lives, precisely the basis of what I seek in a church leader. Are they inspired by the Spirit, are they changed by the Spirit? This requires someone guided to Shepherd the local gathering of Christians and seekers in my city, and in 2025. The gospel makes it perfectly clear that producing such a person is within God's capacity, and Paul's life and work, as recorded in the inerrant word of God, prove it.
I simply refer you to.post 86 and hope that it will assist you in knowing that I am no newby to the Word of God. Been studying it for over 50 years.
 
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My friend, you don't know this about me, but I am a Biblical Scholar with a degree in Biblical Liturature. So I know all about the letters, the history behind them, why they were written. I study the scripture using the original languages.
Delighted to hear it.
I dont say this to brag, but to simply let you know that there are many things you do not need to explain to me.
As you had not previously revealed these credentials, I had no idea what you knew about Biblical interpretation. So it's not very fair to take the , "you don't need to explain that to me" line.
I dont think they did. Here's why. Sure there were things in each church that God addressed through Paul. However every scripture has an application to us or someone in the church. Maybe not now, but maybe in the future.
Every Scripture?
"Bring my cloak and my scrolls" 2 Timothy 4:13.
"Stop drinking only water and use a little wine because of your stomach" 1 Timothy 5:23.
"Do your best to come to me quickly", 2 Timothy 4:9
"I will stay on at Ephesus until Pentecost", 1 Corinthians 16:8
"As for these agitators, I wish they would ....... emasculate themselves", Galatians 5:12.
" .... if a man has long hair it is a disgrace to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory", 1 Corinthians 11:14-15.

How do these, and others, "have an application to us"?
Yes well aware due to my background.

Yup well aware due to my background.

Yet you seem to be saying: "this is what the Bible says; women are choosing to disobey because of their desire", that women should have stayed doing what they were doing - nursing, etc and that God WON'T call women. I.E "Scripture is perfectly clear, God won't do this and all these women are mistaken and following their desires".
That is not at all the case.
 
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I simply refer you to.post 86
I refer you to post #71 in which you said "We today when teaching scripture do not say that the scripturea.were only for the specific church and have no application for us today do we?"

My response to that is - Yes, we do need to consider context and intended application of Scripture as we study it, since accolades within the Epistles to local churches of the 1st Century, who were unified and faithfully teaching the gospel, do not apply to the local church I was attending in 2023, which was doing no such thing, (so I left, and went elsewhere).

We must recognise that this...
3 Brothers and sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly—mere infants in Christ. 2 I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. 3 You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere humans? 1 Corinthians 3 2-3 NIV​

and this...

4 For we know, brothers and sisters loved by God, that he has chosen you, 5 because our gospel came to you not simply with words but also with power, with the Holy Spirit and deep conviction. You know how we lived among you for your sake. 6 You became imitators of us and of the Lord, for you welcomed the message in the midst of severe suffering with the joy given by the Holy Spirit. 1 Thessalonians 1 4-6​

are entirely contradictory, not because the word of God contradicts itself, but because each of these verses are from letters addressed to distinctly different recipients.
 
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Are Protestants missing anything valuable/important by not having the additional books that the Catholics have?
If I thought we were I would maybe become Catholic, but I believe the 66 is quite adequate. In my own church we can read the extra books, but we are not permitted to treat them as Scripture.
 
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If I thought we were I would maybe become Catholic, but I believe the 66 is quite adequate. In my own church we can read the extra books, but we are not permitted to treat them as Scripture.
I agree.
 
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As you had not previously revealed these credentials, I had no idea what you knew about Biblical interpretation. So it's not very fair to take the , "you don't need to explain that to me" line.
I didn't day that to be mean or condescending
, but to merely inform. That's one of the problems with forums. The written words don't do a good job of showing intent. So take heart, not poor intent was intended.
How do these, and others, "have an application to us"?
I'm sorry I have to respond to this. I was hoping you understood what I was referring to. I guess not.
Yet you seem to be saying: "this is what the Bible says; women are choosing to disobey because of their desire", that women should have stayed doing what they were doing - nursing, etc and that God WON'T call women. I.E "Scripture is perfectly clear, God won't do this and all these women are mistaken and following their desires".
That is not at all the case.
Disobey is different that not following scriptural instruction. There are commandments and rhere is instruction. Commands are thou shalt or thou shalt nots. Then there is instruction on how how things should be. Instructions set by apostles chosen by the Lord Himself to provide guidance and I steuction to the church. And since the apostle chosen by God told us that Bishops shoild be men, we should listen to that. God wouldn't contradict what his apostles were teaching because they are teaching from HIS authority. I have a hard time beli3ving that rhe Lord would allow His chosen apostle to write something as an instruction to the church and then in the 20th century decide to make it null and void by doing something different without letting us know.

Do realize what that does to the rest of the apostles teachings? We dont really have to listen to any of them correct? Because any of us could just stand up and say I believe differently and thus have no need to follow the instructions.
 
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and then in the 20th century decide to make it null and void by doing something different without letting us know.
How could the Lord let us know? Perhaps by guiding the groups of Christians (churches that is), who have come to the conclusion that "female preachers" are not forbidden, and showing them great female preachers? Perhaps by enabling those scholars who were open to understanding it that in 1 Timothy 2 12, Paul is concerned about the behavior of some elite, rich women who have joined the church. From the context, we can infer that they may be involved in some way in passing on false teaching.


Do realize what that does to the rest of the apostles teachings? We dont really have to listen to any of them correct? Because any of us could just stand up and say I believe differently and thus have no need to follow the instructions
Since we are following the teaching to ban socio-economically privileged, newly converted, under educated women from promoting the worship of false gods in church, we are in fact still taking every instruction. It is not about this being 2025 and therefore we don't follow that. It is about whether all women who preach are socio-economically privileged, newly converted, under educated and promoting the worship of false gods, or not.
 
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I didn't day that to be mean or condescending
, but to merely inform. That's one of the problems with forums. The written words don't do a good job of showing intent. So take heart, not poor intent was intended.
Ok, sorry; I may have misread it.
I'm sorry I have to respond to this. I was hoping you understood what I was referring to. I guess not.
You said, "every Scripture"; are you now (correctly) saying that some were personal comments; addressed to certain people rather than all of us?

Disobey is different that not following scriptural instruction.
It's not a Scriptural instruction.
Paul was not writing to Christians in 2000 years time. He did not say, "this is a command and applied to everyone in every culture".
God wouldn't contradict what his apostles were teaching because they are teaching from HIS authority.
Well then, God's got it wrong because there ARE female bishops.
And please don't automatically blame the women and write them off as disobedient. No one gets ordained, becomes a preacher or even a bishop on their own - many others are involved.

I have a hard time beli3ving that rhe Lord would allow His chosen apostle to write something as an instruction to the church and then in the 20th century decide to make it null and void by doing something different without letting us know.
I have a hard time believing that some Christians take this as a command from God, ignore what God is doing today, blame and abuse women for their disobedience and delusion and say that God will punish us - their fellow believers - one day.
I'm not saying that you have said all that.
But what it amounts to is; this is our interpretation of a couple of verses. It is correct; neither we, nor God, have made a mistake, it's women who are at fault. This is what I have been hearing ever since I joined these forums. I am not ordained but I am a preacher.

The thing is that God is constantly working in new ways.
In the OT it was believed that anyone who looked at God would die; in the NT God came to earth in Jesus and many looked at, and touched, him, 1 John 1:1.
In the OT they had a tabernacle which they carried around and then they had a temple. In the NT God walked around among them and since then he lives IN his people who are temples of his Spirit.
God has always stood up for the underdogs and downtrodden and hasn't let status prevent him from calling people to serve him - often going against the conventions of society. He ate with tax collectors and sinners, welcomed children, spoke with, and healed Gentiles, healed women and reminded men that they were also made in God's image.
In Bible times, women were treated badly; like property, and had few rights. That didn't stop God from calling Deborah to be a leader, Miriam, Deborah and Huldah to be prophetesses or the woman at the well from going to her town and telling the men she may have found the Messiah. Women were unreliable as witnesses; but that didn't stop the Son of God from choosing a woman to be his witness and proclaim the greatest news ever.
God calls people today to take the Gospel overseas, found charities, take the Gospel onto the streets and start, what has become known as a "Fresh Expression" of church. There are church services on tv, the radio and YouTube; we can get the Bible as an app or an electronic version our own phones.
God is always leading his people on; calling us to new things that weren't even thought of in Paul's time. Are these things wrong because he didn't announce them in advance, through the Apostles?
Do realize what that does to the rest of the apostles teachings?
Nothing.
If people know how to differentiate between Gospel, doctrines of the faith and church practices, and learn to interpret Scripture correctly.

We dont really have to listen to any of them correct?
Only if you are of the view that we should accept all the Bible as written in English, or none of it.
Because any of us could just stand up and say I believe differently and thus have no need to follow the instructions.
Which is why anyone who says that they may have a call to something submits themselves, and that call, to the church - for discernment, prayer, testing and so on.
If we are talking about ordination, it could take someone 10 years to be ordained in the UK Methodist church - plenty of time for them to change their belief, for the "feeling" to wear off or for others, and God, to say, "no, you've got this wrong."
 
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Where would we be if it wasn't for women on the mission field? They out number men 3 to 1. Look at the fruit of their ministry, obviously blessed by God.
Irrelevant. We're not talking about the mission field. We're talking about the local church.
 
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Miriam, Deborah and Huldah to be prophetesses or the woman at the well from going to her town and telling the men she may have found the Messiah.

First, let me say that regardless of who is right, or who is wrong in this discussion, we know that the convictions of a believer will stand as a measure of rule in our judgment. So, seeing you believe women should have the rule over men, and teach them, for you, your belief sets the standard.

Having said that, I will make a few comments, then bow out.

First, I'd like to know your answer for how a woman can be the husband of one wife?

Next, regarding the above quote, I would point out that, while we see females in the role of Judge and Prophetess, what we do not find are female Priestesses. Why is that significant? Israel stands as an Old Testament picture of the Church. While we should not make equal comparisons, we should not overlook elements of the Law that, like this one, stand out.

I would also like to mention something else based on statements you have made in regards to whether, because Eve was created after Adam, women are inferior to men (the implication being, women are not, thus submission is a moot issue). In Christ—there is neither male nor female. The point being, this standing is in an entirely different culture and economy from that of your proof text. If judges were the norm today, this argument might possibly have some validity.

But let's work with what we have:

1 Timothy 2:11-14
King James Version

11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.



Did God make a mistake here, as well? He did not have the foresight that women would become more enlightened, and Paul's statement here would one day become ... meaningless?

Perhaps He was wrong not to have females penning Scripture?

But I would also be curious to know what the following statement means to you:


Genesis 3:16
King James Version

16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.



God bless.
 
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It's not a Scriptural instruction.

I think most would disagree with you on this.

Paul was not writing to Christians in 2000 years time.

I would not be too hasty in coming to this conclusion. This is a pattern of Prophecy:


1 Peter 1:10-12
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10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.



While Paul's teaching (here) isn't prophecy in the sense of foretelling, it has been pointed out (already) that it is his teaching as a divinely called, empowered, and inspired spokesman of God.

Just as we adhere to the principles found in the Law (i.e., not killing, stealing, lying, etc.), even so all principles set forth in Scripture reflect the heart of God in relation to our temporal conduct.

In regard to your mention of whether we should be in obedience to slaves, for example, the answer is overwhelmingly—yes. Understand that slavery in our day mirrors both slavery as practiced by the Hebrew people and is not far from slavery as practiced by the lawless. Most have jobs, and this is similar to slavery we see in Hebrew culture in the Old Testament. It was done for the purpose of obtaining that which is necessary for survival, food, clothes, shelter, etc.

We are ... slaves. How slaves are treated should follow Paul's teaching. Whether it is a slave owned by someone, or the employee working for someone. I'm sure there are a lot of slaves (in the worst sense of the word) that wished their masters followed Paul's teaching.

He did not say, "this is a command and applied to everyone in every culture".

No?

So, you are saying that wives should be disobedient to husbands? They should not dress modestly? They should not be well reported for good works?

Our culture allows gay marriage. Was God wrong about that too? Do we let our culture nullify the principles of God's Word?

Can a woman preach? I would say yes. But when it comes to Pastoring, Paul went straight back to the Fall to give an example for the principle of the leadership of men. The Fall impacts every culture of every nation in every day.


God bless.
 
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I'm curious, did God also get it wrong because there are serial killers?
No, of course not.
God gave Adam a command to not eat from the tree; Adam disobeyed. God did not create sin.
People might even say that they're killing people because God told them to. But you won't find a born again Christian who loves God and is serving him, say that they feel called to be a serial killer.
 
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Since we are following the teaching to ban socio-economically privileged, newly converted, under educated women from promoting the worship of false gods in church, we are in fact still taking every instruction
Except that is not what Paul said. Paul said

Here is a statement you can trust: anyone aspiring to be a congregation leader is seeking worthwhile work. A congregation leader must be above reproach, he must be faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, orderly, hospitable and able to teach. He must not drink excessively or get into fights; rather, he must be kind and gentle. He must not be a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, having children who obey him with all proper respect; for if a man can’t manage his own household, how will he be able to care for God’s Messianic Community? He must not be a new believer, because he might become puffed up with pride and thus fall under the same judgment as did the Adversary. Furthermore, he must be well regarded by outsiders, so that he won’t fall into disgrace and into the Adversary’s trap.
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Timothy 3:1, 1 Timothy 3:2, 1 Timothy 3:3, 1 Timothy 3:4, 1 Timothy 3:5, 1 Timothy 3:6, 1 Timothy 3:7 - Complete Jewish Bible

Count how many times Paul says "he". No where does he use women or she. You are ewading something into the scriptures that isn't there. Anywhere. So no churches who allow women pastors is not raking insteuction.
How could the Lord let us know?
He doeant need to let us know, becauae he has already let us know how we ahould do things. His word is not maleable to our deaires. His word is unchangeable. His instructions are clear. We have no new scriptures and teachings from the Holy Spirit through apostles. There are no more letters to the churches.
God has already made his declarations. We should listen to them and not make up something new just becauae it's a 20th century idea.
 
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