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Federal Judges Association to meet to discuss Barr's meddling in Stone case

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by essentialsaltes, Feb 18, 2020.

  1. essentialsaltes

    essentialsaltes Stranger in a Strange Land

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    Philadelphia US District Judge Cynthia Rufe, who serves as president of the 1,100-member Federal Judges Association, told USA Today that the group "could not wait" until a regularly scheduled April conference to discuss a "deepening crisis" involving the department and Barr. She said members called for Tuesday's meeting following Trump's criticism of the original sentencing recommendation for Stone, according to USA Today.

    Rufe, who was nominated by President George W. Bush, told the newspaper that the judges "are set to convene via a conference call involving 15 to 20 officers and members of the association's executive committee." She said the judges have not yet decided how or if they will report the "result" of the meeting.

    Rufe told USA Today that the association is "not inclined to get involved with an ongoing case," but "voiced strong support" for Judge Amy Berman Jackson, who is overseeing Stone's case.
     
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    cow451 The Most Interesting Poster in the Forum Supporter

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    DOJ=Department of Juice
     
  3. bhsmte

    bhsmte Newbie

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    Cutting through the initial partisan reactions and looking at the facts, the recommended sentence was excessive and many legal experts who are on tye left agree. Trump tweeting about it, is what started the knee jerk reactions. If he was semi normal, nothing wrong with the president picking up the phone to the DOJ and asking what the precedent was for such a sentence. When analyzed, there isnt much of one.
     
  4. Hank77

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    Even as I see Roger Stone as a slimy swamp creature dressed up as a peacock I have to grudgingly admit that the sentence seems to be excessive.

    My opinion of Stone came after watching the documentary, narrated by him, Get Me, Roger Stone.
    When I watched it I had never heard of Roger Stone.
     
  5. Kentonio

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    Seven felonies, aggravated attempts to obstruct justice and threatening a witness by messaging them “Prepare to die”, but apparently seven years is a horrible overreaction and Stone is a poor victim. Seriously?
     
  6. Belk

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    Hey, it's not like they crossed an imaginary line in order to attempt a better life for themselves! Those are the guys who should have the book thrown at them.
     
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    Seriously, and even john dean from watergate fame (who hates trump) agrees. The most any of the water gate gang got for obstruction and other crimes, was less than two years. Based on precedent, what the prosecutors asked for, was excessive.
     
  8. wing2000

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    ...and I doubt the sentence is the main reason for the Federal Judges Association to meet. Rather, it's the President's ongong, public attacks on a U.S. Federal Judge.
     
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  9. Kentonio

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    Did the Watergate burglars make a mockery of the courts and threaten witnesses? That stuff is supposed to actually matter.
     
  10. essentialsaltes

    essentialsaltes Stranger in a Strange Land

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    I understand that the 7 to 9 years pops out of the DOJ sentencing guidelines. He got a lot of extra points for, well, behaving like Roger Stone, threatening people and obstructing justice. No link, because of Roger Stone's poopoo mouth.

    Stone’s base level offense was for obstruction of justice (related to a number of counts), which called for 14 points. He then got an enhancement that involved causing or threatening to cause physical injury to a person ... Stone told a person who was considering cooperating in the case “prepare to die [opprobrious term].” Stone also allegedly threatened the witnesses dog. That got Stone another 8 points ... so we’re up to 22 points. He then got another 3 points for, “substantial interference with the administration of justice.” There was another 2 points for the extensive planning of his crime and, finally there were 2 more points because Stone “willfully obstructed or impeded, or attempted to obstruct or impede, the administration of justice with respect to the prosecution of the instant offense of conviction.” Whew ... 29 points. Stone has never been in trouble before so he was a Criminal Category I ... no prior offenses. If one looks at the Federal Sentencing Guideline table, the 29 points equates to 87-108 months (7-9 years).
     
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