FBI confirms Russia tried to interfere in 2020 election to help Donald Trump

[The Barbarian]

The massive Russian campaign was organized to help Donald Trump and to denigrate Joe Biden and to undermine confidence in our election.

The report says Russia used proxies to push false narratives. Included some close to Donald Trump.

 

[Jake Arsenal]

According to the report: Russia tried to help Trump, Iran tried to hurt Trump, and China chose not to attempt to interfere.

Russia and Iran tried to interfere with 2020 election, US intel agencies say (cnbc.com)
But the report said that Russian President Vladimir Putin authorized “influence operations aimed at denigrating President Biden’s candidacy and the Democratic Party, supporting former President Trump, undermining public confidence in the electoral process, and exacerbating sociopolitical divisions in the US.”
Iran, meanwhile, “carried out a multi-pronged covert influence campaign intended to undercut former President Trump’s reelection prospects—though without directly promoting his rivals—undermine public confidence in the electoral process and US institutions, and sow division and exacerbate societal tensions in the US,”
Intelligence experts also found that China, which was previously thought to be expanding its U.S. influence efforts, ultimately did not deploy operations to affect the outcome of the Trump-Biden election.

 

[Albion]

Some years ago, if the FBI said something like this, everyone would have believed it without question.

No more.

 

[Aussie Pete]

According to the report: Russia tried to help Trump, Iran tried to hurt Trump, and China chose not to attempt to interfere.

Russia and Iran tried to interfere with 2020 election, US intel agencies say (cnbc.com)
But the report said that Russian President Vladimir Putin authorized “influence operations aimed at denigrating President Biden’s candidacy and the Democratic Party, supporting former President Trump, undermining public confidence in the electoral process, and exacerbating sociopolitical divisions in the US.”
Iran, meanwhile, “carried out a multi-pronged covert influence campaign intended to undercut former President Trump’s reelection prospects—though without directly promoting his rivals—undermine public confidence in the electoral process and US institutions, and sow division and exacerbate societal tensions in the US,”
Intelligence experts also found that China, which was previously thought to be expanding its U.S. influence efforts, ultimately did not deploy operations to affect the outcome of the Trump-Biden election.

Chinese are smart. They can see the USA imploding. A Chinese wrote the book on warfare - Sun Tzu. All interference could achieve is to stop the infighting because an outsider is interfering. People who've tried to break up family fights know what that means. China will get on with expanding and controlling more territory while Americans fight each other.

I think the Russians just delight in being spoilers. They still burn from the break up of the Russian empire, much of which was engineered by President Reagan. If the USA self destructs, Russia may well be able to regain it's former control over at least some of Eastern Europe. The next 50 years will be interesting. I won't be here to see it. I'm not especially sorry about that.

 

[Basil the Great]

I think we all knew that Putin preferred Trump to Biden, but we were not sure what action Russia might take, if any, to assist Trump in getting re-elected. However, Iran supposedly tried to help Biden, so perhaps the efforts cancelled each other out to some extent anyway.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Sounds like a reverse of what the media over here did to Trump.

Guess Russia thought he'd be a good president .

 

[Hank77]

I think we all knew that Putin preferred Trump to Biden, but we were not sure what action Russia might take, if any, to assist Trump in getting re-elected. However, Iran supposedly tried to help Biden, so perhaps the efforts cancelled each other out to some extent anyway.

Report said Iran tried to hurt Trump but didn't do anything to help Biden.

 

[Basil the Great]

Report said Iran tried to hurt Trump but didn't do anything to help Biden.

Well, any attempt to hurt Trump would indirectly have been an effort to help elect Biden.

 

[Hank77]

Well, any attempt to hurt Trump would indirectly have been an effort to help elect Biden.

True, but not at the same level as the Russian's did to help Trump and hurt Biden. Russia promoted good things about Trump and promoted bad things about Biden while Iran promoted bad things about Trump but didn't promote good things about Biden. Iran doesn't like either of them.

 

[JLB777]

The massive Russian campaign was organized to help Donald Trump and to denigrate Joe Biden and to undermine confidence in our election.

The report says Russia used proxies to push false narratives. Included some close to Donald Trump.

All be proven to be a hoax.

 

[Strathos]

Some years ago, if the FBI said something like this, everyone would have believed it without question.

No more.

Goes to show how conspiracy cults have eroded trust in reliable institutions.

Sounds like a reverse of what the media over here did to Trump.

Guess Russia thought he'd be a good president .

More like Putin thought he would be an easily manipulated president.

All be proven to be a hoax.

Anything to avoid facing reality contrary to your preferred narrative.

 

[The Barbarian]

Some years ago, if the FBI said something like this, everyone would have believed it without question.

That was before Putin and his American collaborators tried to get Americans to believe Putin and not their own people.

No more.

Unfortunately for Putin and his collaborators, most Americans still know better.

But Russian propaganda has had it's effects, particularly those in the United States who have lost faith in American democracy.

 

[The Barbarian]

All be proven to be a hoax.

Sorry, that story isn't working anymore. Americans know better.

 

[The Barbarian]

More like Putin thought he would be an easily manipulated president.

Putin was right. Trump was an obedient and loyal president for Putin. He even told America that Putin was more trustworthy than our own people.

 

[disciple Clint]

The massive Russian campaign was organized to help Donald Trump and to denigrate Joe Biden and to undermine confidence in our election.

The report says Russia used proxies to push false narratives. Included some close to Donald Trump.

I am certain that Biden will follow Obama's example and tell them to knock it off or something equally effective. However if I am wrong, and he elects to use sanctions, what are the odds that he will also place additional sanctions against Iran who was working to defeat Trump, after interference is interference. Just a hint Biden will do anything and forgive any sin to get Iran to cooperate with him and reinstate the nuclear deal. I believe they have sponsored at least 3 rocket attacks against Americans since Biden assumed command, only one of which he countered with reciprocal force, they were so impressed with him that they attacked again and again.

 

[The Barbarian]

I am certain that Biden will follow Obama's example and tell them to knock it off or something equally effective.

Putin complained that the sanctions Obama placed on Russia was causing a lot of damage to the Russian economy, so maybe it was.

While conceding the role of global oil prices and general “economic mismanagement” by Putin, the official said that sanctions have fueled a credit crunch as key Russian lenders find themselves cut off from foreign financing at a moment of stress for major Russian businesses.

“It took a little time … but if you look at the economic indicators in Russia now, it’s clear Putin miscalculated,” said a Senate Democratic aide.

Even as Putin’s economy reels, however, there is no sign that he is ready to cry uncle in eastern Ukraine, where Obama officials say Russia has conducted a low-intensity conflict for several months.

And some analysts say that’s why Obama shouldn’t take too much satisfaction yet. “If the purpose of the policy is to hurt Putin, then absolutely — Obama deserves credit,” said Ian Bremmer, president of the Eurasia Group. “But I think the purpose of the policy is to help the Ukrainians.”
Is Obama destroying the Russian economy?

However if I am wrong, and he elects to use sanctions, what are the odds that he will also place additional sanctions against Iran who was working to defeat Trump, after interference is interference.

Since Obama was, by engineering a coalition of NATO counties, able to force Iran to abandon its nuclear weapons program, Biden might be able to do the same thing if any of our allies still trusts us after Trump's betrayal of them. But it may take a while before the United States has any credibility after the clown show that only ended in January.

I believe they have sponsored at least 3 rocket attacks against Americans since Biden assumed command, only one of which he countered with reciprocal force, they were so impressed with him that they attacked again and again.

Far more alarming to Iran was this:
Two days after Biden took over the White House last month, U.S. troops were seen entering Syria from Iraq, signaling a reversal of President Trump’s efforts to end U.S. involvement in ‘forever wars’ in the Middle East.
Biden Bombs Syria to Punish Iran for Attacks on US in Iraq

Iran figured it had things its way after Trump betrayed our Kurdish allies in the region. Now that's changing. It won't be so easy for them, now that there's an effective president in the WH.

 

[disciple Clint]

Putin complained that the sanctions Obama placed on Russia was causing a lot of damage to the Russian economy, so maybe it was.

While conceding the role of global oil prices and general “economic mismanagement” by Putin, the official said that sanctions have fueled a credit crunch as key Russian lenders find themselves cut off from foreign financing at a moment of stress for major Russian businesses.

“It took a little time … but if you look at the economic indicators in Russia now, it’s clear Putin miscalculated,” said a Senate Democratic aide.

Even as Putin’s economy reels, however, there is no sign that he is ready to cry uncle in eastern Ukraine, where Obama officials say Russia has conducted a low-intensity conflict for several months.

And some analysts say that’s why Obama shouldn’t take too much satisfaction yet. “If the purpose of the policy is to hurt Putin, then absolutely — Obama deserves credit,” said Ian Bremmer, president of the Eurasia Group. “But I think the purpose of the policy is to help the Ukrainians.”
Is Obama destroying the Russian economy?



Since Obama was, by engineering a coalition of NATO counties, able to force Iran to abandon its nuclear weapons program, Biden might be able to do the same thing if any of our allies still trusts us after Trump's betrayal of them. But it may take a while before the United States has any credibility after the clown show that only ended in January.



Far more alarming to Iran was this:
Two days after Biden took over the White House last month, U.S. troops were seen entering Syria from Iraq, signaling a reversal of President Trump’s efforts to end U.S. involvement in ‘forever wars’ in the Middle East.
Biden Bombs Syria to Punish Iran for Attacks on US in Iraq

Iran figured it had things its way after Trump betrayed our Kurdish allies in the region. Now that's changing. It won't be so easy for them, now that there's an effective president in the WH.

If Obama's sanctions were effective why did
Trump need to increase the sanctions?
Iran's actions show a total lack of respect for Biden

 

[The Barbarian]

If Obama's sanctions were effective

They caused a lot of grief in Russia. Unfortunately, Putin being a kleptocrat, didn't care how much suffering he caused his people.

why did Trump need to increase the sanctions?

Actually, he obediently reduced the sanctions when Putin told him to:

The House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly on Thursday to block the Trump administration from lifting sanctions on a Russian oligarch with deep ties to Vladimir Putin.

The effort, a joint resolution of disapproval, would overturn the Treasury Department’s December decision to ease sanctions on companies tied to Oleg Deripaska, who was sanctioned last year as part of a broader congressional push to punish Moscow for interfering in the 2016 presidential election.
House rebukes Trump for easing Russia sanctions

Diana Denman, a Republican delegate who supported arming U.S. allies in Ukraine, has told people that Trump aide J.D. Gordon said at the Republican Convention in 2016 that Trump directed him to support weakening that position in the official platform.

Ultimately, the softer position was adopted.
2016 RNC Delegate: Trump Directed Change To Party Platform On Ukraine Support

 

[Kenny'sID]

Goes to show how conspiracy cults have eroded trust in reliable institutions.



More like Putin thought he would be an easily manipulated president.



Anything to avoid facing reality contrary to your preferred narrative.

Yet my comment is absolutely true.

 

[The Barbarian]

More like Putin thought he would be an easily manipulated president.

And, as documented by his own actions, he was.