Fans back idea of points deductions to curb racism in soccer

[SummerMadness]

Fans back idea of points deductions to curb racism in soccer

The idea of deducting points from countries or clubs whose fans are found guilty of racist abuse has the backing of nearly two thirds of soccer/football supporters, according to a new survey on Wednesday.

In the study of 27,000 fans from 38 countries -- conducted by anti-racism group Kick It Out and live-score app Forza Football -- 60% of respondents said they would support points deductions, while 54% of supporters said they had witnessed racist abuse while watching a game.

 

[Ana the Ist]

What do they mean by "points "? Like...is there some point system that determines where games are held? Or....?

 

[trunks2k]

What do they mean by "points "? Like...is there some point system that determines where games are held? Or....?

Possibly for things like ranking. Iirc, you get a certain number of points for each win (combined with score differential), etc. And that determines your standing in the league. In certain countries, having a low enough standing means you get bumped down to a less prestigious league (and having a high enough standing bumps you up).

 

[Kaon]

This won't do anything but keep racists silent and clandestine for a time; that is the safe space of a racist anyway.

Eventually they will return to what they know socially; it can't be helped. The only thing that may change long term is how they try to insult the intelligence of the fan base by hiding and deflecting the racism into another vector.

Racism is big business and political gold; it isn't going anywhere, and many humans are dependent on racism to function in their ridiculous lives.

 

[FireDragon76]

Teams aren't responsible for the bad behavior of some of their fans.

 

[Nithavela]

Teams aren't responsible for the bad behavior of some of their fans.

Maybe, but by threatening to punish the team, one can also dissuade the fans.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Soccer teams getting docked for what the fans do?

I guess that's what some wish for the world to come to.

If the goats next door blow it our goats get blamed and suffer the consequences?

Am I missing something here?
I hope so.

M-Bob

 

[keith99]

Possibly for things like ranking. Iirc, you get a certain number of points for each win (combined with score differential), etc. And that determines your standing in the league. In certain countries, having a low enough standing means you get bumped down to a less prestigious league (and having a high enough standing bumps you up).

No soccer does not look at score differential for ranking except as one of the tie breakers at seasons end. The reason this is about points is because for decades soccer in general has used a point system for standings where a team gets 3 points for a win and 1 for a draw.

Saying that in certain countries teams get relegated for being low enough in the standings is misleading. That makes it sound like that is the exception, it is the rule. However in some of the systems near the top there are stadium size requirements and other financial rules that can prevent the advancement of a team and in the process keep another team from relegation.

 

[keith99]

This bit

Docking points from a team could include instances such as Chelsea's Champions League clash against Paris Saint-Germain in 2015, where traveling fans of the English Premier League club physically stopped a man from getting on the Paris metro, suggested the survey's organizers.

Is rather frightening. It would hold an English club responsible for the behavior of their fans while in France where the club has absolutely no power to enforce proper behavior.

It also raises the possibility of false flag incidents at the club level where fans (or betting interests) dress as fans of some other club in the hope of costing that club points and advancing their club or winning a bet.

Holding a club responsible for the behavior of their fans within the stadium where the club has their own security people and especially holding the club responsible for actions of fans in the reserved season tickets area is reasonable. Holding a club responsible for actions of anyone wearing their colors anywhere is not.

 

[StrivingFollower]

Good, i think a contest of who can be least racist is more compelling than soccer. I mean come on it's 2018, let's be more intellectual guys.

 

[Willie T]

This is one very dumb idea.

 

[Kaon]

Soccer teams getting docked for what the fans do?

I guess that's what some wish for the world to come to.

If the goats next door blow it our goats get blamed and suffer the consequences?

Am I missing something here?
I hope so.

M-Bob

Yes, for what fans do.

If they want to be racist AND watch their favorite team play sports, they need to get hoods and organize a family reunion. Other people pay their money to see a bloodsport game, and it's ridiculous to have to pay to hear and see racism.

Soccer players are owned; the fans aren't. You can't punish free speech, but you can show there are consequences.

 

[Kaon]

Teams aren't responsible for the bad behavior of some of their fans.

The fans provide the energy into the TEAM sport.

Fans are not owned, so the TEAM must be punished to dissuade the fanbase. Oh, this is assuming organized sports aren't rigged, and that the racism people spew at the games is not part of a psychological experiment to exploit division instead of promoting awareness to real problems.

All the energy people have to fight or help each other is meant to be discharged at team sports. This way, the population stays complacent. Racism and the CONSEQUENCES of racism are really the sideshow in this entire thing. It is the prop to keep the exploitation perpetual, since people love their prejudices.

Does no one see how you are being exploited from the foundation, or do we care? Why be racist instead of defending the action?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Possibly for things like ranking. Iirc, you get a certain number of points for each win (combined with score differential), etc. And that determines your standing in the league. In certain countries, having a low enough standing means you get bumped down to a less prestigious league (and having a high enough standing bumps you up).

I see...thanks, I read the article but it wasn't clear.

 

[Ana the Ist]

It also raises the possibility of false flag incidents at the club level where fans (or betting interests) dress as fans of some other club in the hope of costing that club points and advancing their club or winning a bet.

I thought this as well...fans dressing for the other team and hurling the most offensive and racist things they can directly at players and officials....all to help their team.

Holding a club responsible for the behavior of their fans within the stadium where the club has their own security people and especially holding the club responsible for actions of fans in the reserved season tickets area is reasonable. Holding a club responsible for actions of anyone wearing their colors anywhere is not.

Let's imagine that the system works as intended but has little effect on "racism".

Wouldn't that put a potentially good team in a league with a bunch of teams that can't really compete with it? Doesn't that end up punishing those teams that are now outmatched by the team being "punished"?

What's worse...those badly overmatched teams now have to deal with the worst fans around.

Just seems like a really bad idea.

 

[trunks2k]

Let's imagine that the system works as intended but has little effect on "racism".

Wouldn't that put a potentially good team in a league with a bunch of teams that can't really compete with it? Doesn't that end up punishing those teams that are now outmatched by the team being "punished"?

What's worse...those badly overmatched teams now have to deal with the worst fans around.

Just seems like a really bad idea.

Well the point is that if the fans are hurling racist insults to "help" their team, then when it becomes possible that doing so will actually hurt their team, then they won't do that.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Well the point is that if the fans are hurling racist insults to "help" their team, then when it becomes possible that doing so will actually hurt their team, then they won't do that.

I think you missed what I'm saying.

Think about it...a change like this would allow fans to manipulate team standings with racism. You could affect the standings of rival teams...not just your own.

 

[Sketcher]

Maybe they're sick of the same teams at the top every year.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I can see a bunch of hooligans from Arsenal sitting on the Manchester United side and yelling racist taunts to even the score.

 

[durangodawood]

I can see a bunch of hooligans from Arsenal sitting on the Manchester United side and yelling racist taunts to even the score.

When the typical score is 0-0, where is there to go?