Family Values Activist Josh Duggar Had a Paid Ashley Madison Account

[USincognito]

 

[Blank Stair]

The disconnect here is that the family is upset about all this because of how it affects them in the public eye. It's not that they applied, auditioned in some way, to become a family in the public eye. It's that now this about them is so public as to make the image they cultivated so as to be in the public eye in the first place is actually very dark under the facade.

What else is there I wonder? I've no doubt if it does exist there are people who will seek and find and broadcast.

 

[Hetta]

The disconnect here is that the family is upset about all this because of how it affects them in the public eye. It's not that they applied, auditioned in some way, to become a family in the public eye.

I don't know how you think that they became a family in the public eye, other than they signed a contract for their own reality show. Do you think that the cameras followed them around without their knowledge and consent? They were paid to be in the public eye and they have courted the media for every single event in their lives. Their kids have followed in their footsteps - having a photoshoot for every wedding and an interview for every birth. They have made millions (literally) out of their family lives. And when their show ended, they begged their fans for more money, because they are greedy and cannot face real life without the media check in their pockets.

What else is there I wonder? I've no doubt if it does exist there are people who will seek and find and broadcast.

The focus you place is on the wrong place. It is not the people who find out the information that are in the wrong, it is the people who do the wrong who are .. in the wrong. If they ever shook loose of the restrictions placed upon them since childhood, I have no doubt that the girls will have many stories to tell, but it's whether they ever get over their programming and are able to do that.

 

[Fantine]

Most of my sympathy goes to Anna Duggar and her four children. She grew up out of the limelight in a very sheltered environment, with no idea of the maelstrom of publicity that would devastate her a few years later.

I hope that both she and Josh get counseling from counselors with professional academic credentials and relevant experience. One mistake his parents made when he was a teenager was sending him to a religious counselor with dubious or non-existent credentials who was later found to have been a sexual abuser himself.

 

[Hetta]

Most of my sympathy goes to Anna Duggar and her four children. She grew up out of the limelight in a very sheltered environment, with no idea of the maelstrom of publicity that would devastate her a few years later.

I hope that both she and Josh get counseling from counselors with professional academic credentials and relevant experience. One mistake his parents made when he was a teenager was sending him to a religious counselor with dubious or non-existent credentials who was later found to have been a sexual abuser himself.

It was the cop they sent him to who is in jail for accessing child inappropriate contentography. The "counselor" was a carpenter who put him to work building houses, because that will cure a pedophile every time.

 

[Fantine]

It was the cop they sent him to who is in jail for accessing child inappropriate contentography. The "counselor" was a carpenter who put him to work building houses, because that will cure a pedophile every time.

I'm sorry...the "counselor," Bill Gothard, was chastised for sexually harassing teenage girls and young women "for decades."
http://www.christianpost.com/news/b...retion-after-sexual-harassment-claims-121792/

 

[Hetta]

I'm sorry...the "counselor," Bill Gothard, was chastised for sexually harassing teenage girls and young women "for decades."
http://www.christianpost.com/news/b...retion-after-sexual-harassment-claims-121792/

Yeah. I'm amazed that anyone still holds Gothard in any kind of esteem. He's utterly sick.

 

[Hetta]

With some people, I can look at them and have a "there but for the grace of God" thought, but Josh Duggar? Uh, no. Because he made choices that he knew were wrong, and he lied and cheated, and he pointed the finger of accusation at others while he was lying and cheating. He has Proverbs 6:16-19 entirely covered.

 

[tulc]

Is it only Christians who get this free pass, or would this still apply even if Duggar didn't identify as a Christian?

Well, since Jesus had nothing but compassion for people outside the faith and His harshest criticisms were aimed at the religious people of His day it would seem you shouldn't be the one getting judged. I have to say: it does seem the Church of today has pulled a 180 degree switch from what Jesus did.
tulc(hopes that helps)

 

[Supreme]

I'm not shocked. I think it'll be hard for anyone to ever take Josh Duggar and his faith seriously again, whatever his personal relationship with Jesus.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Noting that I never got an answer to my repeated question: does the "judge not" rule apply for judging non-Christians as well?

I don't believe Christians are suppose to judge at all. They are suppose to help a Christian, when they see them sinning. But for non believers, they aren't suppose to judge them at all. I do believe Christians are suppose to teach non believers, but if non believers don't want to here about God. A Christian is suppose to leave them alone.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I'm not shocked. I think it'll be hard for anyone to ever take Josh Duggar and his faith seriously again, whatever his personal relationship with Jesus.

This seems typical to me. The Christians, that tell everyone how to live. They don't live by Gods word.

 

[AceHero]

I hope that both she and Josh get counseling from counselors with professional academic credentials and relevant experience. One mistake his parents made when he was a teenager was sending him to a religious counselor with dubious or non-existent credentials who was later found to have been a sexual abuser himself.

I also believe this couple needs counseling, Godly counseling, from a man or woman of God, and not a secular counselor, IMHO, who doesn't share Christian beliefs.

They need to find someone who specializes in spiritual abuse, something both of them seem to have suffered under.

 

[Audacious]

I also believe this couple needs counseling, Godly counseling, from a man or woman of God, and not a secular counselor, IMHO, who doesn't share Christian beliefs.

My therapist is licensed and understands psychology, while being a Christian.

You may as well say that they should get Christian medical care. There isn't secular and Christian psychology: it's just... psychology. It's based on evidence, not your individual beliefs, and that's how it should be. I hope you don't tell actual people not to see "secular psychologists", because that's extremely dangerous advice.

If I got counseling based off of someone's biblical interpretation and not based upon modern clinical psychology, I'd definitely still be cutting myself and probably be dead. I put very little stock in the idea of replacing modern medical care -- which clinical psych is a part of -- with plausibly fallible biblical interpretations that don't belong in a clinical setting.

 

[Glass*Soul]

Given his track record, it wouldn't surprise me if his personal relationship with Jesus mirrored that of Princess Clara.

Who is Princess Clara?

 

[Glass*Soul]

I appreciate an atheists insight into what it means for a Christian to be sealed by the holy spirit.

The same could be said of those who feel crystal clear on their personal opinion that there is no such thing as God that can exist. Nor is there evidence that God exists.
Given all that is in existence with not even science identifying an absolute first cause in its theoretical collage, often enough atheists will dismiss the probability of a religions first cause being God and cleave to science. That has no better answer save they posit theory instead of faith.

Name them.

The mistake some critics of Christianity, and even some Christians make, is to think the first place to find the first cause is in the Bible.
And if it isn't on the page then it can't possibly be in any way known save for mentally deluding ones self into believing in relationship with such a thing as God.
That God is innate escapes the implied classification some attempt to pigeon hole him in when they argue from the perspective that he, his holy spirit, are a thing somewhere out there.

It would be a mistake to assume that when I say "scripture" I am using the word as a synonym for the Bible.

 

[Glass*Soul]

Ask your teenage children.

Alas, I have none.

 

[Blank Stair]

It would be a mistake to assume that when I say "scripture" I am using the word as a synonym for the Bible.

Since my remarks concerned the Bible that would make your rebuttal to them off topic and immaterial.

 

[Hetta]

My therapist is licensed and understands psychology, while being a Christian.

You may as well say that they should get Christian medical care. There isn't secular and Christian psychology: it's just... psychology. It's based on evidence, not your individual beliefs, and that's how it should be. I hope you don't tell actual people not to see "secular psychologists", because that's extremely dangerous advice.

If I got counseling based off of someone's biblical interpretation and not based upon modern clinical psychology, I'd definitely still be cutting myself and probably be dead. I put very little stock in the idea of replacing modern medical care -- which clinical psych is a part of -- with plausibly fallible biblical interpretations that don't belong in a clinical setting.

Sadly, secular and Christian counseling are very different. I am myself a counselor, and my training has been secular in nature, but I have been counseled in the past by a Christian counselor. It was not a good experience, it was more about prayer and what prayer could do, rather than actual, practical counseling. It was also about roles, and very much followed the path of conservative Christian thought. After a few weeks, I no longer considered it to be "real" counseling, and from going through the training myself, I know it was not. Unfortunately, Anna would be counseled in the same manner as I was and it will only keep her in her "place", and in her marriage, and subject to her creepy husband.

 

[TerranceL]

At what point is telling others they're being judgmental of a judgmental person not being judgmental? I'm dizzy now.

What you don't understand is that the person judging us for being judgemental is holier than we are. That's why they can just about immediately do things that go directly against their point.

We just have to get holier then maybe, MAYBE we can discuss people who cheat on their spouses and sexually abuse children.

Or we can realize the whole "DON'T JUDGE GUIZE!!!" thing is just a way for that person to defend someone they like and take the argument for what it is and ignore it.