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Faith Movement

Discussion in 'Non-denominational' started by Annabel Lee, Jun 6, 2002.

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  1. Andrew

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    "In mark it says he only healed some."

    In many other places it says he healed "ALL". even in Acts of the Apostles.

    and when he cldnt heal some, it was becos of their unbelief -- not that he didnt want to heal.
     
  2. LouisBooth

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    "and when he cldnt heal some, it was becos of their unbelief -- not that he didnt want to heal."

    It says that NOWHERE in the passage in mark andrew. You're assuming that to rationalize your position. Not a good thing to do :)
     
  3. SnuP

    SnuP A son of the Most High

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    Mark 6:
    5And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. 6And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.


    Matt. 13:
    58And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.
     
  4. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    not the passage I'm talking abotu snup :) Can you not find it in your word search for "sick" lol

    So I tell you again, Christ didn't heal all that came to him.
     
  5. sola fide

    sola fide neo-Puritan

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    Romans 11:7,8-
    "What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. Just as it is written;
    God has given them a spirit of stupor, Eyes that they should not see and ears that they should not hear, to this very day."

    Remember when dealing with the miracles of Christ, specifically Matt. 13, the Jews did not believe b/c they were blinded. Christ could only do miracles on the elect, those who God willed to be healed. The blinded Jews were not part of His elect.
    Remember when dealing with election....
    it is God who does the electing, not us.

    Soli Deo gloria!
     
  6. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    Amen, but I would put Israel in God's elect, not sure how it happens though as Paul is not clear but seems to say they are elect in verse 28 of chapter 11 of romans.
     
  7. SnuP

    SnuP A son of the Most High

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    God bless the three of you, and Good night.
     
  8. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    Goodnight bro, have a great night's rest!!!
     
  9. Andrew

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    "It says that NOWHERE in the passage in mark andrew. You're assuming that to rationalize your position. Not a good thing to do"

    Hello knock knock -- I was talking abt the whole bible. did you rip out the other books in your bible save mark?


    Mt 8:16* When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed ALL that were sick:

    Mt 10:1* And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal ALL manner of sickness and ALL manner of disease.

    Mt 12:15 But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them ALL;

    Lu 4:40* Now when the sun was setting, ALL they that had any sick with divers diseases brought them unto him; and he laid his hands on every one of them, and healed them.

    Lu 6:17* And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people out of all Judaea and Jerusalem, and from the sea coast of Tyre and Sidon, which came to hear him, and to be healed of their diseases;

    Ac 5:16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed EVERY ONE.

    Hmmm interesting in Acts (model of the church) it says EVERY ONE!
     
  10. Andrew

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    "Remember when dealing with the miracles of Christ, specifically Matt. 13, the Jews did not believe b/c they were blinded. Christ could only do miracles on the elect, those who God willed to be healed. The blinded Jews were not part of His elect."

    Wasnt Paul a Jew? Weren' many of the disciples Jews? So when Bible says Jews were blinded you'll have to say there are 2 classes of Jews? One class blinded another not blinded?

    Doesnt Bible say the god of this world has blinded men to the glorious gospel. wldnt that include gentiles?

    "Christ could only do miracles on the elect,"
    scripture proof?

    God performs miracles on any one who believes. he even does it to non-believers.
     
  11. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    "Hello knock knock -- I was talking abt the whole bible. did you rip out the other books in your bible save mark?"

    and my assertion was that he didn't always heal everyone. the passage in mark shows one such time and proves my statements.

    I'm glad he healed a lot of people, but he didn't aways heal everyone, that's a fact according to the bible.
     
  12. Loser For Jesus

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    Really? I wasn't aware people were deliberately ignoring me, other than just avoiding my questions. It'd be nice if you could explain why they'd so such a thing.

    love in Christ,

    Malcolm
     
  13. MizDoulos

    MizDoulos <font color=6c2dc7><b>Justified by grace through f

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    Please Note: All personal issues with each other should not be aired publicly. Use your e-mail or private message option to discuss any personal matters. Any further posts will be removed and a warning issued.

    Thank you for your cooperation.
     
  14. SavedByGrace3

    SavedByGrace3 Whoever calls on the name of Jesus will be saved Supporter

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    I have never understood why this is such a turbulent issue. It seems everywhere one goes there is debate... and often it turns personal and emotions fray. I would be curious to ask everyone involved in this debate in particular why this is?
    Any comments would be appreciated.
    Hobie
     
  15. SnuP

    SnuP A son of the Most High

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    A person's position on the faith movement reflects their own identity in Christ. Because this area reflects so much of our belief system, any attack on it from someone that is a peer is like saying we are decieved in our beliefs.
     
  16. Loser For Jesus

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    I agree with what Snup wrote, although I'd go a bit further with the distinction.

    I believe it really is a very foundational issue and one which directly relates to the kind of "gospel" we are preaching, the kind of "Jesus" we know, and the kind of God we worship.

    No matter how nice and understanding and constructive we may try to be in debating it, I don't believe this is an area we can compromise on and just "agree to disagree" -&nbsp;on either side. That is why it is such a turbulent issue.

    I'm not trying to be nasty about this, but I don't think we gain anything by pussyfooting around. I'm aware that has made me unpopular and largely ignored in this debate, but so be it.

    love in Christ,

    Malcolm
     
  17. SnuP

    SnuP A son of the Most High

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    Let us hope that those who have chosen to ignore you (Loser For Jesus) find reason to listen again.

    We all have something to offer and as long as it is done in the right spirit I don't believe it should be ignored.

    Hopefully we can all grow up and not feel so insecure about what we believe.&nbsp; I know that I have personally contributed to the problem of bitterness that seems to arise from these issues.&nbsp; But we do all serve a God of love, though our opions about His other natures may verry, for all of us He is a God of love.&nbsp; So let us display that Spirit in our post and not our own flesh.

    Blessing to all

    SnuP
     
  18. ZiSunka

    ZiSunka It means 'yellow dog'

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    Because it creates two "classes" of Christians, those who have enough faith and are blessed, and those who are ordinary believers, and are not blessed. There is no Biblical basis for such a class system, except in the minds of the WOF believers.
     
  19. SnuP

    SnuP A son of the Most High

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    There are two types of christians:&nbsp; Those who are lukewarm and those who are hot.
     
  20. SpiritPsalmist

    SpiritPsalmist Heavy lean toward Messianic Supporter

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    lambslove,

    On my part this is an untrue statement.&nbsp; If you feel that way because of something I've said, it's because that's the way you chose to perceive it.&nbsp; I certaintly do not believe that way.
     
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