Faith alone is required for salvation & You're not under Mosaic law!

[RickReads]

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[Thuycidides]

One thing often overlooked. Under the Law of Moses, Gentiles were free to join the nation of Israel.

The key difference in the New Covenant is that Israel is excluded from the requirements to receive salvation.

No. Natural Jews are free to rejoin the nation of Israel in Christ Jesus, if they repent and abide not in unbelief.

 

[Thuycidides]

"God's law" straightforwardly refers to all of the laws that God has given, which is primarily inclusive of the Mosaic Law (Deuteronomy 5:31-33), but which is not inclusive of works of the law. The phrase "works of the law" does not have definitive article in the Greek, so it is literally translated as "works of law", which means that it does not refer to a specific set of laws, such as THE Law of Moses, but rather Paul used it as a catch-all phrase to refer to a large body of Jewish oral laws, traditions, rulings, and fences, which were being taught that Gentiles needed to obey in order to become justified.

Our salvation is not something that can be earned, but there can be reasons for obeying God's law other than trying to earn our salvation, so verses that speak against that should not be mistaken as speaking against our salvation requiring our obedience to God's law for some other reason, such as faith. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of God's law, so only those who have faith will obey it and will be justified by the same faith, which is why Paul could say in Romans 2:13 that only doers of the law will be justified while denying in Romans 4:4-5 that our justification is something that can be earned. In Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so God's law is His instructions for how to know Christ, and knowing Christ is a requirement for salvation, but not in order to earn it.

The law of sin is not so much a list of rules as it is a principle or an evil inclination. In Romans 7:7, Paul said that God's law was not sinful, but is how we know what sin is, and when our sin is revealed, then that leads us to repent and causes sin to decrease. However, in Romans 7:7, the law of sin stirs up sinful passion in order to bear fruit unto death, so it is sinful and causes sin to increase, which means that it is the opposite of God's law. So verses that refer to a law that is sinful, that causes sin to increase, or that hinders us from obeying God's law are referring to the law of sin, such as Romans 5:20, Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4-6, Galatians 2:19, Galatians 5:16-18, and 1 Corinthians 15:56.

""God's law" straightforwardly refers to all of the laws that God has given, which is primarily inclusive of the Mosaic Law".

Wrong answer. With the change of the Covenant came the change of the priesthood and change of the law of God. (Heb 7:12)

Nothing of the Old Covenant remains, including blood of bulls and goats, and nothing of the old priesthood remains including that of Levi, and nothing of the law of Moses remains, including that of circumcision and sabbaths (which was before the law).

The law of God is now the law of Christ found within the Scriptures of the New Covenant after His death on the cross.

You want to teach law of God? Then teach it from the Scriptures of the law of Christ in the apostles' doctrine, not in the law of Moses, nor in any other thing written before His death on the cross, which is exactly when the Old was done away, and the New is brought in.

"Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully."

 

[RickReads]

No. Natural Jews are free to rejoin the nation of Israel in Christ Jesus, if they repent and abide not in unbelief.

True, but I was talking about Gentiles, not Jews. Under the Old Covenant, Israel was the path for Gentile salvation.

In the New Covenant, Jesus is the path and Israel has been excluded.

 

[Thuycidides]

True, but I was talking about Gentiles, not Jews. Under the Old Covenant, Israel was the path for Gentile salvation.

In the New Covenant, Jesus is the path and Israel has been excluded.

And I was talking about how natural Jews are not excluded, if they repent and return to the Israel of God which is now and forever in Christ Jesus only.

No one is excluded from salvation by faith in Jesus, whether Jew or Greek, male of female. And no one is special before God pertaining to His promises by birth of flesh and will of man, whether Jew or Gentile, man or woman.

The promised seed of faith of Abraham no longer has anything to do with the flesh. Jesus came to them first, and they received Him not, and now if any receive Him they are the children of promise even as Isaac. (Gal 4)

No more is a Jew outwardly anything with God, but only a Jew inwardly (Rom 2). And if any claim to be Jews of God, because of outward circumcision only, they are liars. (Rev 2 and 3)

Jesus came to confirm the promises of the last days first to the natural seed and now to the spiritual, and He will not return once again to the natural seed only, after they had Him crucified: the One promising in the first place was killed, and so that special promise made to Abraham's natural seed was made of none effect.

The natural Jews of the national Israel practicing the Jews' religion are just another nation among nations and religion among religions. They have made themselves by their own stated desire and purpose to be just another gentile people and nation away from God. Even as they demanded a king to be like other nations, so have they demanded a nation like other nations, when they determined the King of Israel to be crucified.

God will not 'go the Jews' one more and final last of last times. He's already done that. We are in the last days, and whether Jew or Greek, any and all may be saved by faith, even unto the end of the world. No one excluded by birth of man and no one special by will of man, whether Jew of Greek.

Any not born by faith of Jesus into the commonwealth of Israel of God are gentiles to God, whether Jew or Greek.

(I think some people delving into last days prophecies think the fact that God has indeed already come in the flesh is just some sort of blip on the prophetic scheme of things.)

 

[Dkh587]

True, but I was talking about Gentiles, not Jews. Under the Old Covenant, Israel was the path for Gentile salvation.

In the New Covenant, Jesus is the path and Israel has been excluded.

The new covenant does not exclude Israel, that’s silly thinking. The new covenant is with Israel - Jeremiah 31:31-33

 

[Thuycidides]

The new covenant does not exclude Israel, that’s silly thinking. The new covenant is with Israel - Jeremiah 31:31-33

Amen. And since the new Covenant is with Israel, and the new Covenant is with them that believe Jesus, then them that believe Jesus are with the new Israel of God.

I really think people, especially the 'evangelical' sort, need to get over their worship of the Jews as 'special' before God, and recognize that the seed of promise is now the seed of Christ.

It goes the same for them that persecute Jews as some people special to God. They are not. So, I say not honoring them more than due honor, and not persecuting them more than they due persecution.

I support the current nation of Israel among other nations, because they remain free and prosperous as a nation, not because they are natural Jews, which means nothing to me, because it means nothing to God.

Just treat them like any other nation of people on earth with a false religion on earth who need to get saved by Jesus. I hold them in no special regard, nbeither do I hold them in any special contempt.

 

[Soyeong]

""God's law" straightforwardly refers to all of the laws that God has given, which is primarily inclusive of the Mosaic Law".

Wrong answer. With the change of the Covenant came the change of the priesthood and change of the law of God. (Heb 7:12)

Nothing of the Old Covenant remains, including blood of bulls and goats, and nothing of the old priesthood remains including that of Levi, and nothing of the law of Moses remains, including that of circumcision and sabbaths (which was before the law).

The law of God is now the law of Christ found within the Scriptures of the New Covenant after His death on the cross.

You want to teach law of God? Then teach it from the Scriptures of the law of Christ in the apostles' doctrine, not in the law of Moses, nor in any other thing written before His death on the cross, which is exactly when the Old was done away, and the New is brought in.

"Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully."

If the Mosaic Law isn't God's law, then who else's law is it? You've disagreed that the Mosaic Law is God's law, but the fact that the Mosaic Law was given by God and is therefore God's law completely undermines your disagreement.

All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160). While we are under the New Covenant and not the Mosaic Covenant, we are nevertheless still under the same God with the same nature and therefore the same instructions for how to testify about His nature. For example, the way to testify about God's righteousness is straightforwardly based on His righteousness, not on any particular covenant, and God's righteousness is eternal, so any laws that God has ever given for how to testify about His righteousness are eternally valid. If the way testify about God's righteousness were to change under the New Covenant, such as with it becoming righteous to commit idolatry or sinful to help the poor, then God's righteousness would not be eternal, but it is eternal, therefore Hebrews 7:12 could not be speaking about a change in the law in regard to its content, but the context is speaking about a change of the priesthood, which would also require a change in the law in regard to its administration.

The same God who gave the law to Moses also sent Jesus, who spent his ministry teaching his followers how to obey it by word and by example, so God is not in disagreement with Himself about which laws we should follow, but rather the Law of Christ is the same as the Law of the Spirit and the Law of the Father, which was given to Moses. Nowhere does the Bible say that we should disregard everything that was taught prior to the cross, nor was anything that was taught after the cross contrary to what was taught prior to it. In 1 John 2:6, we are told that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, in 1 Peter 2:21-22, we are told to follow Christ's example, and with John 12:46-50, we do not have grounds to disregard anything that Jesus taught during his ministry by word or by example. Jesus did not establish the New Covenant in order to undermine anything that he spent his ministry teaching, but rather the New Covenant still involves following God's eternal law (Jeremiah 31:33).

 

[RickReads]

The new covenant does not exclude Israel, that’s silly thinking. The new covenant is with Israel - Jeremiah 31:31-33

We aren`t talking about the same issue.

 

[Thuycidides]

If the Mosaic Law isn't God's law, then who else's law is it? You've disagreed that the Mosaic Law is God's law, but the fact that the Mosaic Law was given by God and is therefore God's law completely undermines your disagreement.

All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160). While we are under the New Covenant and not the Mosaic Covenant, we are nevertheless still under the same God with the same nature and therefore the same instructions for how to testify about His nature. For example, the way to testify about God's righteousness is straightforwardly based on His righteousness, not on any particular covenant, and God's righteousness is eternal, so any laws that God has ever given for how to testify about His righteousness are eternally valid. If the way testify about God's righteousness were to change under the New Covenant, such as with it becoming righteous to commit idolatry or sinful to help the poor, then God's righteousness would not be eternal, but it is eternal, therefore Hebrews 7:12 could not be speaking about a change in the law in regard to its content, but the context is speaking about a change of the priesthood, which would also require a change in the law in regard to its administration.

The same God who gave the law to Moses also sent Jesus, who spent his ministry teaching his followers how to obey it by word and by example, so God is not in disagreement with Himself about which laws we should follow, but rather the Law of Christ is the same as the Law of the Spirit and the Law of the Father, which was given to Moses. Nowhere does the Bible say that we should disregard everything that was taught prior to the cross, nor was anything that was taught after the cross contrary to what was taught prior to it. In 1 John 2:6, we are told that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, in 1 Peter 2:21-22, we are told to follow Christ's example, and with John 12:46-50, we do not have grounds to disregard anything that Jesus taught during his ministry by word or by example. Jesus did not establish the New Covenant in order to undermine anything that he spent his ministry teaching, but rather the New Covenant still involves following God's eternal law (Jeremiah 31:33).

"If the Mosaic Law isn't God's law, then who else's law is it?"

The law of Christ.

 

[Thuycidides]

If the Mosaic Law isn't God's law, then who else's law is it? You've disagreed that the Mosaic Law is God's law, but the fact that the Mosaic Law was given by God and is therefore God's law completely undermines your disagreement.

All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160). While we are under the New Covenant and not the Mosaic Covenant, we are nevertheless still under the same God with the same nature and therefore the same instructions for how to testify about His nature. For example, the way to testify about God's righteousness is straightforwardly based on His righteousness, not on any particular covenant, and God's righteousness is eternal, so any laws that God has ever given for how to testify about His righteousness are eternally valid. If the way testify about God's righteousness were to change under the New Covenant, such as with it becoming righteous to commit idolatry or sinful to help the poor, then God's righteousness would not be eternal, but it is eternal, therefore Hebrews 7:12 could not be speaking about a change in the law in regard to its content, but the context is speaking about a change of the priesthood, which would also require a change in the law in regard to its administration.

The same God who gave the law to Moses also sent Jesus, who spent his ministry teaching his followers how to obey it by word and by example, so God is not in disagreement with Himself about which laws we should follow, but rather the Law of Christ is the same as the Law of the Spirit and the Law of the Father, which was given to Moses. Nowhere does the Bible say that we should disregard everything that was taught prior to the cross, nor was anything that was taught after the cross contrary to what was taught prior to it. In 1 John 2:6, we are told that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, in 1 Peter 2:21-22, we are told to follow Christ's example, and with John 12:46-50, we do not have grounds to disregard anything that Jesus taught during his ministry by word or by example. Jesus did not establish the New Covenant in order to undermine anything that he spent his ministry teaching, but rather the New Covenant still involves following God's eternal law (Jeremiah 31:33).

"You've disagreed that the Mosaic Law is God's law, but the fact that the Mosaic Law was given by God and is therefore God's law completely undermines your disagreement."

As I said, God's law was changed from that of Moses to that of Christ at the cross, where the Covenant changed with the priesthood. (Heb 7:12)

The Mosaic law was indeed given by God on the mount and in the tabernacle in the wilderness and was God's law for His Covenant with national Israel, so long as that Covenant remained between God and national Israel.

It no longer does.

 

[Thuycidides]

If the Mosaic Law isn't God's law, then who else's law is it? You've disagreed that the Mosaic Law is God's law, but the fact that the Mosaic Law was given by God and is therefore God's law completely undermines your disagreement.

All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160). While we are under the New Covenant and not the Mosaic Covenant, we are nevertheless still under the same God with the same nature and therefore the same instructions for how to testify about His nature. For example, the way to testify about God's righteousness is straightforwardly based on His righteousness, not on any particular covenant, and God's righteousness is eternal, so any laws that God has ever given for how to testify about His righteousness are eternally valid. If the way testify about God's righteousness were to change under the New Covenant, such as with it becoming righteous to commit idolatry or sinful to help the poor, then God's righteousness would not be eternal, but it is eternal, therefore Hebrews 7:12 could not be speaking about a change in the law in regard to its content, but the context is speaking about a change of the priesthood, which would also require a change in the law in regard to its administration.

The same God who gave the law to Moses also sent Jesus, who spent his ministry teaching his followers how to obey it by word and by example, so God is not in disagreement with Himself about which laws we should follow, but rather the Law of Christ is the same as the Law of the Spirit and the Law of the Father, which was given to Moses. Nowhere does the Bible say that we should disregard everything that was taught prior to the cross, nor was anything that was taught after the cross contrary to what was taught prior to it. In 1 John 2:6, we are told that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, in 1 Peter 2:21-22, we are told to follow Christ's example, and with John 12:46-50, we do not have grounds to disregard anything that Jesus taught during his ministry by word or by example. Jesus did not establish the New Covenant in order to undermine anything that he spent his ministry teaching, but rather the New Covenant still involves following God's eternal law (Jeremiah 31:33).

"All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160)."

1. The Old Covenant was 'everlasting' and yet it was done away with for the New.
2. God's righteousness is eternal, but not the Covenant and law that defines it.
-Circumcision was in the law of Moses. It no longer is law, because the law of Moses is no longer law of God.
3. God's Old Covenant was conditional:

IF national Israel had received their own Messiah, then the 'everlasting' covenant and Law of Moses would have remained forever. They did not, and so God of necessity changed it from that of national Israel to that of all people that believe. No more national Israel of God: no more law of Moses for it.

 

[Thuycidides]

If the Mosaic Law isn't God's law, then who else's law is it? You've disagreed that the Mosaic Law is God's law, but the fact that the Mosaic Law was given by God and is therefore God's law completely undermines your disagreement.

All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160). While we are under the New Covenant and not the Mosaic Covenant, we are nevertheless still under the same God with the same nature and therefore the same instructions for how to testify about His nature. For example, the way to testify about God's righteousness is straightforwardly based on His righteousness, not on any particular covenant, and God's righteousness is eternal, so any laws that God has ever given for how to testify about His righteousness are eternally valid. If the way testify about God's righteousness were to change under the New Covenant, such as with it becoming righteous to commit idolatry or sinful to help the poor, then God's righteousness would not be eternal, but it is eternal, therefore Hebrews 7:12 could not be speaking about a change in the law in regard to its content, but the context is speaking about a change of the priesthood, which would also require a change in the law in regard to its administration.

The same God who gave the law to Moses also sent Jesus, who spent his ministry teaching his followers how to obey it by word and by example, so God is not in disagreement with Himself about which laws we should follow, but rather the Law of Christ is the same as the Law of the Spirit and the Law of the Father, which was given to Moses. Nowhere does the Bible say that we should disregard everything that was taught prior to the cross, nor was anything that was taught after the cross contrary to what was taught prior to it. In 1 John 2:6, we are told that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, in 1 Peter 2:21-22, we are told to follow Christ's example, and with John 12:46-50, we do not have grounds to disregard anything that Jesus taught during his ministry by word or by example. Jesus did not establish the New Covenant in order to undermine anything that he spent his ministry teaching, but rather the New Covenant still involves following God's eternal law (Jeremiah 31:33).

You are making a classic error. The same as the Judaizers. If you want the law of Moses to still be in effect along with the Old Covenant, then you need to convert to Judaism and the Jews' religion, where the Jews still try to practice it to this day, and reject Jesus Christ and His New Covenant and the law of Christ, as the Jews still do to this day.

 

[Thuycidides]

If the Mosaic Law isn't God's law, then who else's law is it? You've disagreed that the Mosaic Law is God's law, but the fact that the Mosaic Law was given by God and is therefore God's law completely undermines your disagreement.

All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160). While we are under the New Covenant and not the Mosaic Covenant, we are nevertheless still under the same God with the same nature and therefore the same instructions for how to testify about His nature. For example, the way to testify about God's righteousness is straightforwardly based on His righteousness, not on any particular covenant, and God's righteousness is eternal, so any laws that God has ever given for how to testify about His righteousness are eternally valid. If the way testify about God's righteousness were to change under the New Covenant, such as with it becoming righteous to commit idolatry or sinful to help the poor, then God's righteousness would not be eternal, but it is eternal, therefore Hebrews 7:12 could not be speaking about a change in the law in regard to its content, but the context is speaking about a change of the priesthood, which would also require a change in the law in regard to its administration.

The same God who gave the law to Moses also sent Jesus, who spent his ministry teaching his followers how to obey it by word and by example, so God is not in disagreement with Himself about which laws we should follow, but rather the Law of Christ is the same as the Law of the Spirit and the Law of the Father, which was given to Moses. Nowhere does the Bible say that we should disregard everything that was taught prior to the cross, nor was anything that was taught after the cross contrary to what was taught prior to it. In 1 John 2:6, we are told that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, in 1 Peter 2:21-22, we are told to follow Christ's example, and with John 12:46-50, we do not have grounds to disregard anything that Jesus taught during his ministry by word or by example. Jesus did not establish the New Covenant in order to undermine anything that he spent his ministry teaching, but rather the New Covenant still involves following God's eternal law (Jeremiah 31:33).

"The same God who gave the law to Moses also sent Jesus, who spent his ministry teaching his followers how to obey it by word and by example."

As a man and a Jew, Jesus kept the law of Moses and preached it. As risen Lord and Savior He made His New Covenant and law known to the apostles: the apostles' doctrine and law of Christ has replaced the law of Moses.

 

[Thuycidides]

If the Mosaic Law isn't God's law, then who else's law is it? You've disagreed that the Mosaic Law is God's law, but the fact that the Mosaic Law was given by God and is therefore God's law completely undermines your disagreement.

All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160). While we are under the New Covenant and not the Mosaic Covenant, we are nevertheless still under the same God with the same nature and therefore the same instructions for how to testify about His nature. For example, the way to testify about God's righteousness is straightforwardly based on His righteousness, not on any particular covenant, and God's righteousness is eternal, so any laws that God has ever given for how to testify about His righteousness are eternally valid. If the way testify about God's righteousness were to change under the New Covenant, such as with it becoming righteous to commit idolatry or sinful to help the poor, then God's righteousness would not be eternal, but it is eternal, therefore Hebrews 7:12 could not be speaking about a change in the law in regard to its content, but the context is speaking about a change of the priesthood, which would also require a change in the law in regard to its administration.

The same God who gave the law to Moses also sent Jesus, who spent his ministry teaching his followers how to obey it by word and by example, so God is not in disagreement with Himself about which laws we should follow, but rather the Law of Christ is the same as the Law of the Spirit and the Law of the Father, which was given to Moses. Nowhere does the Bible say that we should disregard everything that was taught prior to the cross, nor was anything that was taught after the cross contrary to what was taught prior to it. In 1 John 2:6, we are told that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, in 1 Peter 2:21-22, we are told to follow Christ's example, and with John 12:46-50, we do not have grounds to disregard anything that Jesus taught during his ministry by word or by example. Jesus did not establish the New Covenant in order to undermine anything that he spent his ministry teaching, but rather the New Covenant still involves following God's eternal law (Jeremiah 31:33).

"Nowhere does the Bible say that we should disregard everything that was taught prior to the cross, nor was anything that was taught after the cross contrary to what was taught prior to it"

All Scripture is still profitable, but not all Scripture is law. You may regard any of it you wish, but not as law. If you want the law of Moses to still be in effect in your life, then you are bound to keep the whole law of Moses, not just the parts you like. If you want to be circumcised, fine, but if you do it as law, then you are a debtor to do the whole law. But if you preach law of Moses to me, then I disregard it out of hand, because it no longer exists with God. If you preach law of Christ to me, then I am bound to do it by faith of Jesus.

If any of the law of Moses is written again in the Scriptures of the New Covenant as law of Christ, then I am bound to obey it as law of Christ, not as law of Moses.

 

[Thuycidides]

If the Mosaic Law isn't God's law, then who else's law is it? You've disagreed that the Mosaic Law is God's law, but the fact that the Mosaic Law was given by God and is therefore God's law completely undermines your disagreement.

All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160). While we are under the New Covenant and not the Mosaic Covenant, we are nevertheless still under the same God with the same nature and therefore the same instructions for how to testify about His nature. For example, the way to testify about God's righteousness is straightforwardly based on His righteousness, not on any particular covenant, and God's righteousness is eternal, so any laws that God has ever given for how to testify about His righteousness are eternally valid. If the way testify about God's righteousness were to change under the New Covenant, such as with it becoming righteous to commit idolatry or sinful to help the poor, then God's righteousness would not be eternal, but it is eternal, therefore Hebrews 7:12 could not be speaking about a change in the law in regard to its content, but the context is speaking about a change of the priesthood, which would also require a change in the law in regard to its administration.

The same God who gave the law to Moses also sent Jesus, who spent his ministry teaching his followers how to obey it by word and by example, so God is not in disagreement with Himself about which laws we should follow, but rather the Law of Christ is the same as the Law of the Spirit and the Law of the Father, which was given to Moses. Nowhere does the Bible say that we should disregard everything that was taught prior to the cross, nor was anything that was taught after the cross contrary to what was taught prior to it. In 1 John 2:6, we are told that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, in 1 Peter 2:21-22, we are told to follow Christ's example, and with John 12:46-50, we do not have grounds to disregard anything that Jesus taught during his ministry by word or by example. Jesus did not establish the New Covenant in order to undermine anything that he spent his ministry teaching, but rather the New Covenant still involves following God's eternal law (Jeremiah 31:33).

"Jesus did not establish the New Covenant in order to undermine anything that he spent his ministry teaching, but rather the New Covenant still involves following God's eternal law."

Jesus established His teaching in writing in the New Covenant with His apostles after His resurrection.

"The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen."

Jesus began to teach His Covenant and law after His resurrection, and continued to do so after His ascension to His apostles He personally chose to write it down, including Paul. I hearken to the apostles' doctrine and law of Christ as a Christian saved in the New Covenant of God. Not the law of Moses.

God will always have His law. But He can change it as He wishes. And He did. The law of Moses ended with the Old Covenant, for which that law was made by God. The law of Christ is made for the New Covenant. The law of Christ will never end, as the law of Moses did, because His New Covenant will never end, because the Gospel of the cross is everlasting with an everlastingness that will never end, because it is established by one condition: That the Lamb of God lives forever and will never change.

"I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen."

"But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second."

"For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore."

The oath of Jesus was made since the law: after the law of Moses. The law of Moses has passed along with the Old Covenant. Now we have the law of Christ confirmed by His own eternal oath that shall never pass.

I am not telling you what to do or not to do, I'm just saying that if you want to keep the law of Moses, go ahead, just don't preach it as existing law of God. That would be false teaching and false ministry, not of God, but of men:

"Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm."

 

[BrotherJJ]

Salvation and justification are both by grace through faith, and even as justification is confirmed by works of faith (James 2), so is salvation.

Believing Jesus is the beginning of our justification, redemption, and salvation. Obeying Jesus is the completion of our salvation, redemption and justification.

Faith without works is dead. Without faith there is no grace to save.

So we believe the truth, we do well. We obey not the truth, we do not well...

James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

(MY NOTE: Faith without works is dead/non-existent. So, faith needs action)

Action: CONFESSION! Mixed with faith/belief in Jesus: Once for all time sin atoning death & resurrection. See Heb 10:10 below.

And you'll receive forgiveness for ALL Past-Present-Future sin & Jesus promised gift of eternal life. A gift is given, NOT earned.

Romans 10:
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(MY NOTE: CONFESSION mixed with BELIEF/FAITH in Jesus sin atoning work & resurrection)

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
(MY NOTE: BELIEF/FAITH & CONFESSION. Jesus did ALL salvations required work)

Mixing in our works, in order to achieve salvation. Robs Jesus of the glory due, in His ultimate payment.

Easy to Read Version
Heb 10:10 Jesus Christ did the things God wanted him to do. And because of that, we are made holy through the sacrifice of Christ’s body. Christ made that sacrifice one time—enough for all time.
(MY NOTE> WE = believers only are made holy thru faith in HIS work, not our own works). Peace, JJ

 

[Thuycidides]

James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

(MY NOTE: Faith without works is dead/non-existent. So, faith needs action)

Action: CONFESSION! Mixed with faith/belief in Jesus: Once for all time sin atoning death & resurrection. See Heb 10:10 below.

And you'll receive forgiveness for ALL Past-Present-Future sin & Jesus promised gift of eternal life. A gift is given, NOT earned.

Romans 10:
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(MY NOTE: CONFESSION mixed with BELIEF/FAITH in Jesus sin atoning work & resurrection)

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
(MY NOTE: BELIEF/FAITH & CONFESSION. Jesus did ALL salvations required work)

Mixing in our works, in order to achieve salvation. Robs Jesus of the glory due, in His ultimate payment.

Easy to Read Version
Heb 10:10 Jesus Christ did the things God wanted him to do. And because of that, we are made holy through the sacrifice of Christ’s body. Christ made that sacrifice one time—enough for all time.
(MY NOTE> WE = believers only are made holy thru faith in HIS work, not our own works). Peace, JJ

So, let's try this piecemeal:
1. "Mixing in our works, in order to achieve salvation."

We don't mix anything, by faith we produce.

The faith of God does not produce our works, which are as filthy rags, but rather produces His works of His faith.

If works are not necessary for justification with God, then please explain:

"Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2)

Where did Paul ever say we are justified by faith only?
Show where imputed righteousness and justification with God are the same thing.
(Imputed righteousness is just-if-I'd never sinned. Justification is just-if-I'd done good)

We do not rob Jesus of anything by works of faith, but rather we confirm His righteousness with the righteous works of His faith.

 

[Thuycidides]

James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

(MY NOTE: Faith without works is dead/non-existent. So, faith needs action)

Action: CONFESSION! Mixed with faith/belief in Jesus: Once for all time sin atoning death & resurrection. See Heb 10:10 below.

And you'll receive forgiveness for ALL Past-Present-Future sin & Jesus promised gift of eternal life. A gift is given, NOT earned.

Romans 10:
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(MY NOTE: CONFESSION mixed with BELIEF/FAITH in Jesus sin atoning work & resurrection)

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
(MY NOTE: BELIEF/FAITH & CONFESSION. Jesus did ALL salvations required work)

Mixing in our works, in order to achieve salvation. Robs Jesus of the glory due, in His ultimate payment.

Easy to Read Version
Heb 10:10 Jesus Christ did the things God wanted him to do. And because of that, we are made holy through the sacrifice of Christ’s body. Christ made that sacrifice one time—enough for all time.
(MY NOTE> WE = believers only are made holy thru faith in HIS work, not our own works). Peace, JJ

2. "Action: CONFESSION! Mixed with faith/belief in Jesus."
Confession is made from the heart unto salvation and justification by grace.

Is action then not a work? Not a deed? What 'action' is confession?

Confession is no confession if in word and tongue only, and not in deed and in truth: No works of faith, dead faith, vain confession.

By confession of sin, we are forgiven of sin and imputed righteousness of God. By repentance of dead works, we are delivered from sin and justified with God.

There is no 'act' of confession, no more than there is the 'act' of declaration: "They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him."

The only action of confession are works of confession of faith: "Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance."

Faith without works and confession without repentance is dead and vain, and is only telling ourselves we are what we are not: "and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father."

They are not justified that say they believe only, and have not God the Father who do not works worthy of repentance.

If the confession and profession of our faith is indeed from the heart, then we will be justified in our faith by the deeds of faith in our bodies and lives.

 

[Thuycidides]

James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

(MY NOTE: Faith without works is dead/non-existent. So, faith needs action)

Action: CONFESSION! Mixed with faith/belief in Jesus: Once for all time sin atoning death & resurrection. See Heb 10:10 below.

And you'll receive forgiveness for ALL Past-Present-Future sin & Jesus promised gift of eternal life. A gift is given, NOT earned.

Romans 10:
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(MY NOTE: CONFESSION mixed with BELIEF/FAITH in Jesus sin atoning work & resurrection)

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
(MY NOTE: BELIEF/FAITH & CONFESSION. Jesus did ALL salvations required work)

Mixing in our works, in order to achieve salvation. Robs Jesus of the glory due, in His ultimate payment.

Easy to Read Version
Heb 10:10 Jesus Christ did the things God wanted him to do. And because of that, we are made holy through the sacrifice of Christ’s body. Christ made that sacrifice one time—enough for all time.
(MY NOTE> WE = believers only are made holy thru faith in HIS work, not our own works). Peace, JJ

3. "And you'll receive forgiveness for ALL Past-Present-Future sin & Jesus promised gift of eternal life. A gift is given, NOT earned."

We are forgiven if we confess. We cannot confess sin not yet committed. To be forgiven of 'present and worse yet future' sins unconfessed is violation of the Scripture requiring confession and is sure license to sin: let us sin that forgiveness may abound. God forbid.

We 'earn' nothing from God but death by sins. We don't even 'earn' the rewards of good works of faith. We receive His faith and eternal life as the gift of God, and so in believing from the heart we are imputed righteousness of God, and doing the works of faith we are freely counted righteous and justified with God.