Excluding Farmer's Market Vendor for Refusing to Host Same-Sex Weddings

[KCfromNC]

It's offensive to compare race (something you can't choose) to sexual behavior (something you can choose).

Do you feel laws which protect from religious-based discrimination are "offensive"? Because that's something which people choose and is also compared against race-based discrimination.
Let's see if there's any consistency here, or if this is another rationalization to paper over the real reason.

 

[RileyG]

Do you feel laws which protect from religious-based discrimination are "offensive"? Because that's something which people choose and is also compared against race-based discrimination.
Let's see if there's any consistency here, or if this is another rationalization to paper over the real reason.

Irrelevant. Again, there is no discrimination against same-sex couples. They can choose to go somewhere else.

 

[Pommer]

Irrelevant. Again, there is no discrimination against same-sex couples. They can choose to go somewhere else.

Like the back of the bus?

 

[RileyG]

Like the back of the bus?

No. Race and gay marriage are not the same. Again.

 

[Pommer]

No. Race and gay marriage are not the same. Again.

Right, I understand your point-of-view:
Gay people have every right to exist and live their lives as best as they see fit until they do “gay things” then it’s “shop somewhere else, please.”

 

[KCfromNC]

Irrelevant. Again, there is no discrimination against same-sex couples. They can choose to go somewhere else.

Why would they need to go somewhere else if they weren't being refused service due to their orientation in the first place?

It's really weird these talking points can't seem to even string two sentences together without contradicting themselves.

 

[KCfromNC]

Like the back of the bus?

They've got their own separate but equal water fountains, why are they acting so uppity?

 

[RileyG]

Why would they need to go somewhere else if they weren't being refused service due to their orientation in the first place?

It's really weird these talking points can't seem to even string two sentences together without contradicting themselves.

They aren't being refused service because of their orientation.

 

[rjs330]

How about sexual orientation, does one “choose that” too?

I don't know if the answer to that question has really been settled. I know people really believe that and other who don't think they choose it. We've found no gay gene, so I didn't think it's completely settled even though some my claim that.

I don't really think it matters much though.

 

[rjs330]

And here I thought the talking point was that this was about making cakes for gay weddings.

Funny how the spin keeps changing each time an argument in favor of discriminating against gay people get shot down.

Do an inordinate amount of gays get married and not have sex with each other? I thought that was a huge part of a marital relationship? Isn't it part of the whole package of being a married couple? Marriage legitimizes the sexual relationship no longer making it sinful. Except in the case of gays.

 

[rjs330]

Statistically most people don't kill anyone. Doesn't mean we shouldn't prosecute the people who do break the law in that way.

Hmmm... didn't answer the question. Is murder a thing now? The claim that that not baking cakes will become a thing. Perhaps you should let him answer the question. Has it become a thing?

 

[rjs330]

Yeah but what if “somewhere else” also doesn’t do these “events”?, what if every bakery in town “doesn’t do these events”?

We aren't seeing that now. Why would it suddenly start? Are there that many bakers against gay weddings? What is every baker a Christian now and a Christian that is also against gay weddings?

 

[rjs330]

do continue to appreciate the need to try to make this about me. It just shows how weak these far right talking points are that every post is an attempt to distract the thread with fabrications.

Oh please this is directly about your accusations that people won't bake cakes for gay people or some such thing. Your are deliberately misrepresenting what's been said d spite the fact that it has been clarified a million times.

I'm not sure where this idea is that one must discriminate in every single case for discrimination to occur.

Way to miss the point again. Your the one who said they won't bake cakes for gay people. No qualifiers no explanations etc. Just flat out claims that they won't bake cakes period. Which you know to be a falsehood.

I always thought it was when a business decided which customers to sell to based on the traits of the customer.

Traits? What traits do gay people have? How would you know based upon the traits?

 

[rjs330]

see nothing about not selling cakes to gay customers in there. I mean, sure, if one were motivated one might be able to extract some sort of justification for doing so, even while ignoring a whole bunch of other customers who also sin.
Kinda like how in previous generations, verses were used to justify other preexisting opinions about who businesses didn't want to sell to.

The more things change...

Do you expect that every single way a person could sin be listed in every scripture about sin? Thou shalt not commit adultery,

With your sister in law, your neighbors your employer, your coworker etc and nauseum.

How do you know they are ignoring other customers who sin? How many of those customers are asking for cakes to celebrate their sinful acts? Are the bakers giving them the cakes? Because if they were I agree with you. But I have a feeling no one is asking Christian bakers to make "I'm celebrating my adultery" cake.

The scripture says not to have anything to do with the works of darkness. Any of them. Baking cakes to celebrate works of darkness would not be the right thing to do.

Lets face it, you don't believe homosexual sex is a work of darkness. That's fine, you don't have to. You can make cakes and celebrate whatever you want to. You don't believe in sin period. So it doesn't matter.

 

[rjs330]

They aren't being refused service because of their orientation.

I know right. I'm really thinking they are trying not to understand.

 

[rjs330]

As of this point I'm bowing out of this thread. Positions have been explained and now everyone is just going in circles.

 

[Pommer]

I don't know if the answer to that question has really been settled. I know people really believe that and other who don't think they choose it. We've found no gay gene, so I didn't think it's completely settled even though some my claim that.

I don't really think it matters much though.

Well it matters because people who are unsure if gay people are born “that way” or just “more likely to choose” that way, don’t get to “decide” that gay people are “just choosing”; this is largely because of the God they choose to “follow”, seems to have told them that being gay is “okay” so long as they are celibate.

Imagine being born different then told, it’s all in your head. Constantly. Day-after-day. By people,who could have chosen a different (version] of God.

Gay people do have a higher risk for substance abuse, STD’s and death/suicide.

Who “chooses” that?

 

[KCfromNC]

They aren't being refused service because of their orientation.

Interesting assertion. Too bad it runs counter to the facts.

But now I'm curious - has this defense actually been tried in court? I get we hear it parroted here a bunch, but was any lawyer actually brave enough to try to convince a judge that this is the case.

Because if not, I think that says a lot about the veracity of the claim.

 

[KCfromNC]

Do an inordinate amount of gays get married and not have sex with each other?

I don't know. But it is weird that the bakers in question jumped to this conclusion. But at the same time, don't jump to the conclusion that a lot of their straight customers have had premarital sex or have been married previously, despite the statistics showing how likely it is they're also catering to those sins. I mean, if probabilities are enough to justify discrimination it is weird that approach isn't applied consistently.

Almost as if it isn't the various sins that's the issue, but instead the orientation of the customer.

 

[KCfromNC]

Hmmm... didn't answer the question. Is murder a thing now? The claim that that not baking cakes will become a thing. Perhaps you should let him answer the question. Has it become a thing?

I really have no idea what the point of this post is. Anyone else?