I asked you first.
This wasn't addressed directly either.
It was indeed. "How do you distinguish authentic development of faith?" was answered by
"the weight of Scriptural warrant, of substantiation in word and in power, which is how the NT church began," but which your protested was too vague for you. Perhaps reading the NT would help and seeing the use of Scripture, and its means of convincing souls.
I didn't bring up the definition of worship. For obvious reasons you did. I brought up a method of communication between Christians and Pagans that Paul tried on the Greeks. That got carried off into oblivion.
No,m it did not. Rather than oblivion, i argued that rather than Paul did not teach that things were be fine if they had set up graven images of the True God to worship, he taught that the living God was not worshiped that way, since He is beyond this. People did not put faith in Christ because of his appearance, but by what He said and did.
God has not changed, that's right, but people have. Why would laws meant to guide 5 year olds be the same for 15 year olds?
Because the law and laws I refer to are NOT that of typological dietary and ritual laws which is what the NT states were "shadows" "imposed on them." "in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days, (Colossians 2:16) Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. (Hebrews 9:10)
Christ brought eternity into time and human history. When He died, eternity entered Hades and divided the sheep souls from the goat souls. The land of the dead did in fact change profoundly. To become heaven and hell until the end of time.
Christ crushed Satan's head and he and the rest of the fallen angels have been judged. They know their time is short and they rage against the Woman and her children. I'm afraid you are wrong thinking nothing changed when God came down to earth
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Which simply does not change how the devil basically works, nor the flesh. A look at even history shows the devil seeking to reign via proxy servants by seducing souls with the victim-entitlement mentality employed in Gn. 3, and setting up graven images for souls to bow down and pray to or before. But because your church does it then you must impose a change upon how demons operate.
The demons got graven images stuck in your head. I'll tell you what a graven image is, it's that strawman that only exists in your imagination. It's an image graven (firmly fixed, carved, sculpted) deeply in the recesses of your mind.
No, actually my brain does not contain stone or porcelain or plastic images, but instead these graven (firmly fixed, carved, sculpted) images are set up right in and on your churches, inviting souls to worship before them. Thus your compelled recourse to "but demons have changes tactics."
You gotta watch them graven images. They'll gitchya. Again, God didn't change, but... wouldn't you agree since Jesus came something changed? Like a New....something??
And as said and showed, the NT manifests what changed, which was not the moral law, and thus we see the reiterations of OT moral laws. But nothing sanctioning your graven images, ir even setting up, exalting the [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]
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To be consistent then, Jesus respected Moses' authority and submitted to it. The chair of Moses presided until the coming of messiah, until the fullness of Truth entered time and history. Like God did before, Jesus picked another man named Simon, who Jesus named Peter, to sit in the teachers chair and guard the gifts of Christ so the People of God could continue making the Word visible to all the nations until like before, the coming of messiah .That's a truth of sameness found in the two ages.
No, that is not consistent with your principal of passed down tradition, that "the canon, as decided by the tradition that it documents, should by all rights be the accepted canon." And since tradition has authority via magisterial sanction or decree, by extension this basis for orthodoxy applies to whatever the magisterial seat holds to.
Thus RCs ignorantly invoke Matthew 23:2 as a basis for submitting to their magisterial office. Which means 1st century souls should have, rather than following some itinerant preachers and Preacher whom the magisterial seat rejected. Thus your "decided by the tradition that it documents" invalidates the NT church.
But the latter validates dissent from the historical magisterial seat based upon validation from a superior authority on Truth, since the church actually began in dissent from those who sat in the seat of Moses over Israel, (Mt. 23:2) who were the historical instruments and stewards of Scripture, "because that unto them were committed the oracles of God," (Rm. 3:2) to whom pertaineth" the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises" (Rm. 9:4) of Divine guidance, presence and perpetuation as they believed, (Gn. 12:2,3; 17:4,7,8; Ex. 19:5; Lv. 10:11; Dt. 4:31; 17:8-13; Ps, 11:4,9; Is. 41:10, Ps. 89:33,34; Jer. 7:23) </p>
And instead they followed an itinerant Preacher whom the magisterium rejected, and whom the Messiah reproved by Scripture as being supreme, (Mk. 7:2-16) and established His Truth claims upon scriptural substantiation in word and in power, as did the early church as it began upon this basis. (Mt. 22:23-45; Lk. 24:27,44; Jn. 5:36,39; Acts 2:14-35; 4:33; 5:12; 15:6-21;17:2,11; 18:28; 28:23; Rm. 15:19; 2Cor. 12:12, etc.)
Pagans worship the powers of nature. . It's not a whole lot different from the Hebrew worship as it regards the form. It must conform to the human body and soul. The distinction is for the Hebrews it is the true God that is worshiped. not a creature, as you know, but God creator of every creature ever worshiped..
Your sophistry ignores the fact that the distinction is for the Hebrews was not simply that the true God was worshiped, but how, and thus, among other distinctions, there were not to make and set up representative graven images for people and even people to worship before, and which is nowhere abrogated under the New Covenant, in teaching or examples.
The people of God aren't taking their homeland of milk and honey away from peoples and nations who thought it was theirs. Now that those times are over we have our sights on the true and real promised land.
Actually the people of God are taking their homeland of milk and honey away from peoples and nations who thought it was theirs, since the meek shall inherit the earth, and "the god of this world" presumes it is his, and thus do the rebellious, and at the end the devil will "gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea... on the breadth of the earth" against the people of God. (Revelation 20:8,9) But since you reject that prophecy as literal you will be in for a real surprise.
Bringing up OT laws against Pagan nations and religions have no value as a guide for moral behavior in regards to how pagan peoples should be treated by Christians today.
Which is just what prohomosexual polemicists try to argue, but the fact is the moral laws are transcendent and universal.
Before Jesus it was a time to conquer and wipe out the idolatrous people and the memory of the creatures they worship. Now we want to bring Christ's Gospel of love to them.
That only applies to how the church is to treat such as not being a theocracy (contrary to your history), not to the lawfulness of what they do. idolatry, homosexual relations, etc. are still sinful, even though the church is not to execute them. Thus your argument is invalid.
If you really wish to refute my claim you need to have a convincing argument against my claim.
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