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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Straightshot, Feb 27, 2015.

  1. TPeterY

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    I really didn't want to write this but.....

    But this will be the last comment I make about MB. It's not worth a debate because not knowing where it is located doesn't affect a person's chances of getting rapture.

    Mystery Babylon Part 1

    One thing people don't realize is why the Antichrist will be invading MS. The OT in numerous numerous scriptures calling the invaders from the north as plunderers. The word plunderer is used around 20 times in prophecies about the tribulation and around 70 times the word plunder is used. It makes perfect sense because in order to finance an army of 200 million, you need a lot of money. Below are a few scriptures about the invasion on Mystery Babylon.

    Isaiah 13:16-17 (NKJV)
    16 Their children also will be dashed to pieces before their eyes;
    Their houses will be plundered And their wives ravished.
    17 “Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, Who will not regard silver;
    And as for gold, they will not delight in it.​

    Isaiah 21:1-9 (NKJV)
    1 The burden against the Wilderness of the Sea. As whirlwinds in the South pass through, So it comes from the desert, from a terrible land. 2 A distressing vision is declared to me; The treacherous dealer deals treacherously, And the plunderer plunders. Go up, O Elam! Besiege, O Media!
    All its sighing I have made to cease. 3 Therefore my loins are filled with pain;
    Pangs have taken hold of me, like the pangs of a woman in labor. I was distressed when I heard it; I was dismayed when I saw it. 4 My heart wavered, fearfulness frightened me; The night for which I longed He turned into fear for me. 5 Prepare the table, Set a watchman in the tower, Eat and drink. Arise, you princes, Anoint the shield! 6 For thus has the Lord said to me: “Go, set a watchman, Let him declare what he sees.” 7 And he saw a chariot with a pair of horsemen, A chariot of donkeys, and a chariot of camels, And he listened earnestly with great care. 8 Then he cried, “A lion, my Lord! I stand continually on the watchtower in the daytime; I have sat at my post every night. 9 And look, here comes a chariot of men with a pair of horsemen!” Then he answered and said, “Babylon is fallen, is fallen!
    And all the carved images of her gods He has broken to the ground.”

    Jeremiah 50:8-10 (NKJV)
    8 “Move from the midst of Babylon, Go out of the land of the Chaldeans;
    And be like the rams before the flocks. 9 For behold, I will raise and cause to come up against Babylon An assembly of great nations from the north country, And they shall array themselves against her; From there she shall be captured. Their arrows shall be like those of an expert warrior; None shall return in vain. 10 And Chaldea shall become plunder; All who plunder her shall be satisfied,” says the Lord.​

    Jeremiah 51:48-56 (NKJV)
    48 Then the heavens and the earth and all that is in them Shall sing joyously over Babylon; For the plunderers shall come to her from the north,” says the Lord. 49 As Babylon has caused the slain of Israel to fall, So at Babylon the slain of all the earth shall fall. 50 You who have escaped the sword, Get away! Do not stand still! Remember the Lord afar off, And let Jerusalem come to your mind. 51 We are ashamed because we have heard reproach. Shame has covered our faces, For strangers have come into the sanctuaries of the Lord’s house. 52 “Therefore behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord, “That I will bring judgment on her carved images, And throughout all her land the wounded shall groan. 53 Though Babylon were to mount up to heaven, And though she were to fortify the height of her strength, Yet from Me plunderers would come to her,” says the Lord. 54 The sound of a cry comes from Babylon, And great destruction from the land of the Chaldeans, 55 Because the Lord is plundering Babylon And silencing her loud voice, Though her waves roar like great waters, And the noise of their voice is uttered, 56 Because the plunderer comes against her, against Babylon, And her mighty men are taken. Every one of their bows is broken; For the Lord is the God of recompense, He will surely repay.​


    Now we understand why MB will be invaded. Also notice in the above scriptures, the invasion come from the north? This is important to help identify where MB is located. When people think MB is a city like Moscow, if you look on a map, only Finland, Sweden and Norway is north of Moscow. None of those countries have the ability to defeat Russia. This is something people need to consider.

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    Revelation 17:1-2 (NKJV)
    1 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”​

    Revelation 17:15 (NKJV) Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.


    Mecca is a city and does not attract a large diversity of people, just Muslims during pilgrimage once a year, mostly Sunnis from the Middle East, non-Muslim are prohibited from entering the city.

    From a small oil and trading coastal town, Dubai has turned city with that's a major tourist attraction drawing in visitors from around the world.

    Revelation 18:3 (NKJV) For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich through the abundance of her luxury.”​

    Revelation 18:7 (NKJV) In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’​

    Revelation 18:9 (NKJV) “The kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her burning,​


    Mecca is not known as a city of luxury. Dubai has turned into probably the most luxurious city in the world of immense wealth and lavish lifestyle.

    Revelation 18:17-18 (NKJV)
    17 For in one hour such great riches came to nothing.’ Every shipmaster, all who travel by ship, sailors, and as many as trade on the sea, stood at a distance 18 and cried out when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘What is like this great city?’​


    Mecca has no water surrounding her. There's no shipmaster, sailors or trades on the sea. There's no one photo of water anywhere.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=mecca&biw=1164&bih=544&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=07QGVZv6C4nCggSp3oPACg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

    Half the city of Dubai is surrounding by water.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=mecca&biw=1164&bih=544&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=07QGVZv6C4nCggSp3oPACg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#tbm=isch&q=dubai

    Revelation 18:13 (NKJV) and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and souls of men.​


    Mecca is a holy city. Dubai is built on slave labor and still houses slave workers.

    Ghaith Abdul-Ahad visits the impoverished camps for the men building the skyscrapers of Dubai and Abu Dhabi | World news | The Guardian

    ~Hamidullah earns around 450 dirhams (£70) a month as a construction worker.

    ~How is life, I ask.

    ~"What life? We have no life here. We are prisoners. We wake up at five, arrive to work at seven and are back at the camp at nine in the evening, day in and day out."


    Revelation 18:13 (NKJV) and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and souls of men.​


    Revelation 17:2 (NKJV) with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”​


    Mecca is not a city that produces oil. Saudi Arabia produces oil but that a country. Is there really sex and prostitution in the Mecca? It's a holy site. Old men kissing a stone is not fornication, that's closer to idolatry.

    Dubai produces oil. Before it became a tourist attraction, it was known for it's oil and trade. The lure of money is a huge prostitution business in Dubai because the clients are wealthy individuals. There's a video I posted in an early post.

    Revelation 16:18-20 (NKJV)
    18 And there were noises and thunderings and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth. 19 Now the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And great Babylon was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath. 20 Then every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.


    The largest earthquake ever in the history destroying mountains and islands.

    Mecca has no islands. It has the 7 mountains. The mountains is a figurative term John used to describe what he saw but did not know what to call it. Skyscraper was not a word used 2000 years ago.

    Dubai is near a major fault-line, and it has islands and mountains that are in close proximity within line of sight of each other.

    This is important because John twice describes island and mountains in the same verse. That can only mean they are near each other. Rev 6:14 & Rev 16:20.

    Revelation 17:4 (NKJV) The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication.​


    Revelation 18:16 (NKJV) and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city that was clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls!


    Mecca is not known as a city of trades involving gold or other precious gems.

    Dubai is called the City of Gold. It 's also the leading financial center in the Middle East with a commodity institution.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLaYPmhse30

    Dubai City of Gold ? News and Travel Guide

    Dubai, City of Gold

    Dubai City Of Gold? (PHOTOS)

    Dubai also has a commodity center that deals in gold, diamonds, pearls and other amenities.

    Dubai Multi Commodities Centre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Rising demand for Dubai's gold vaults | The National

    The Dubai Multi Commodities Centre (DMCC) has been inundated with inquiries from banks and wealthy investors seeking to move their bullion to the high security vaults beneath the free zone following a move by Swiss banks to raise fees for gold storage.

    Executives from the DMCC and Brink's, the international security company that operates the vaults, both confirmed that there had been a marked increase in gold stored and inquiries from new customers in recent months.

    It is understood that UBS and Credit Suisse, the Swiss banks that lead the gold storage market in their home country, are in the process of raising gold vaulting fees because of increased costs imposed by the Basel III banking regulations. The regulations came into effect on January 1 and will be phased in until 2019.​


    Dubai gold storage facility opens « ArabianMoney

    The new gold vaults under the headquarters of the Dubai Multi Commodities Centre will open on Sunday as the City of Gold ups its bid as a regional centre for the burgeoning investment interest in the yellow metal.

    The DMCC is a free zone for commodities trading in which companies pay no taxation, and the new vault is intended for both short and long term storage of precious metals and other high-value products.

    This capitalizes on the UAE’s reputation as a safe haven with stable politics, economics and geology as Dubai is away from the earthquake zone.

    Investors are also increasingly looking to move their real assets away from established financial centres for fear of seizure in times of economic emergency. The owning of gold was made illegal and deposits confiscated in the USA in the 1930s, and investors were left empty handed as the price of gold took off.

    Offshore investors are also worried about growing moves by advanced countries to rob them of their traditional right of secrecy in tax havens. Again geographic diversification to new locations is a logical response.

    Dubai is already one of the world’s biggest centres for trading gold and handles a throughput of around a fifth of global annual gold production. Most recently the DMCC has launched a gold exchange traded fund to capitalize on this status, but trading has been in very limited volume thus far.

    The new vault is open to local and international banks as well as investment companies, and features the very latest in security equipment and inventory monitoring.​




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  2. TPeterY

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    Mystery Babylon Part 2

    The name Mystery Babylon perfectly describes Dubai too. It can't be the old ancient Babylon in Iraq otherwise it won't be called a mystery.

    It's Mystery Babylon because it's in the Middle East. The OT said it's in arabia, the desert by the sea ~ Isaiah 21. If MB is in a place like South America, it would have a name associated to it's location and not be called Babylon.

    It's a mystery because the "town" of Dubai grew overnight of 30 years into a mega-metroplis.

    Dubai 1970
    https://www.google.com/search?q=dubai+30+years+ago&biw=1164&bih=544&site=webhp&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=aTgEVfgvltigBKaxgtgF&ved=0CB0QsAQ#tbm=isch&q=dubai+1970

    Dubai 2015
    https://www.google.com/search?q=dubai+30+years+ago&biw=1164&bih=544&site=webhp&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=aTgEVfgvltigBKaxgtgF&ved=0CB0QsAQ#tbm=isch&q=dubai+2015


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    Ancient Babylon is famous for it's tower of Babel. Dubai has the modern day tower of Babel, the Burg Khalifa.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=burj+khalifa&biw=1164&bih=544&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=e8UGVeaQFMmigwSqi4KoCg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&dpr=1.65


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    Revelation 17:9-13 (NKJV)
    9 “Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.
    10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time.
    11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.
    12 “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.
    13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast.​


    Here's the fun part. You guys know they will attack MB to plunder the city.

    ~The 10 kings receive no Kingdom.

    ~The 10 kings receive authority for only one hour!

    ~The 10 kings will be of one mind with the beast for one hour!

    ~They give the beast their power and authority.

    In only one hour, what can anyone offer another individual anything of value? Even if you had the power and authority of Obama or Putin, in one hour, what can you offer someone trying to plunder a city filled with gold?

    Great, wonderful! I just had a brain fart and can't remember where the scripture is located that explains what the beast does with the booties they plunders and why he has such a large following. Consider this post incomplete. I'll have to find it and come back to finalize this post another day......if I can find it.

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  3. yeshuasavedme

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    I agree about debating not being worth it, but as to Mystery Babylon, it begins long before Islam, and is the wickedness of the kingdom of darkness and idolatry personified as a woman/a harlot, opposing the kingdom of God personified as a Woman from Genesis 3:15 to the last chapter of Revelation; who is, herself, Zion above, the mother of all the redeemed, and in whose "barn" the "Seed" for the Firstborn Son of God =second human being temple of flesh [named Israel, as opposed to Adam, the first temple of flesh to build up Zion above with living stones made for the glory of the Unseen YHWH to dwell] was to come from and is come -see Haggai chapter 2 on the human being Foundation Stone laid in Zion of the 24th day of the 9th month, which is the date of the Seed's planting in the womb of the virgin, making his birth the first of Tabernacles and the circumcision the 8th Day, that "Great Day" signifying the New Beginning for the heavens and the earth, after the Millennial reign, when Adam spirit no longer multiplies in the flesh and the New Man name, Israel, is the name of the adopted sons of God, born on earth forever; fulfilling their thousand year day in that flesh and then being translated without dying to the "Glory" and "Planting the heavens", forever and forever.

    All the above is in Scripture, and is a study on the Mystery of the Kingdom of God in Christ, and the mystery Babylon, of the kingdom of darkness, which seeks to establish herself below and above and stop the Kingdom of God reigning in heaven above and on earth below.

    Zechariah chapter 5:14 shows that spirit of the woman/harlot of wickedness, being taken by two sirens [demon spirits of the disembodied women of the nephillim -see Enoch,The Book of Enoch, Translated by Robert H. Charles, 1912
    chapter
    19 And Uriel said to me: "Here shall stand the angels who have connected themselves with women, and their spirits assuming many different forms are defiling mankind and shall lead them astray into sacrificing to demons as gods, here shall they stand, till the day of the great judgement in which they shall be judged till they are made an end of. 2And the women [females born of the fallen ones] also of the angels who went astray shall become sirens."
    So in Zechariah 5:14, two sirens carry the wicked spirit of the Harlot to set her on her base prepared in "Shinar".
    Shinar was a greater area than the modern Bibles say, and included the Arabian Peninsula.
    The base -the Cube/Kaaba was set for this wicknedness in Mecca even before Islam, and housed all manner of idolatries.

    From Shoebat's Mystery Babylon is Mecca..."
    All from Shoebat dot com, above.


    Iran has declared that Saudi Arabia is to be destroyed by them.
    As to the Harlot committing fornication and buying all manner of precious jewels and slaves and bodies and souls of men, and her destruction of the saints, there are many videos showing her to be such.
    The Red sea is connected to the Mediterranean by the Suez Canal, and much goods from all the world are bought by the Saudis and the slaves they have are documented, in many places.
     
  4. yeshuasavedme

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    I agree about debating not being worth it, but as to Mystery Babylon, it begins long before Islam, and is the wickedness of the kingdom of darkness and idolatry personified as a woman/a harlot, opposing the kingdom of God personified as a Woman from Genesis 3:15 to the last chapter of Revelation; who is, herself, Zion above, the mother of all the redeemed, and in whose "barn" the "Seed" for the Firstborn Son of God =second human being temple of flesh [named Israel, as opposed to Adam, the first temple of flesh to build up Zion above with living stones made for the glory of the Unseen YHWH to dwell] was to come from and is come -see Haggai chapter 2 on the human being Foundation Stone laid in Zion of the 24th day of the 7th month, which is the date of the Seed's planting in the womb of the virgin, making his birth the first of Tabernacles and the circumcision the 8th Day, that "Great Day" signifying the New Beginning for the heavens and the earth, after the Millennial reign, when Adam spirit no longer multiplies in the flesh and the New Man name, Israel, is the name of the adopted sons of God, born on earth forever; fulfilling their thousand year day in that flesh and then being translated without dying to the "Glory" and "Planting the heavens", forever and forever.

    All the above is in Scripture, and is a study on the Mystery of the Kingdom of God in Christ, and the mystery Babylon, of the kingdom of darkness, which seeks to establish herself below and above and stop the Kingdom of God reigning in heaven above and on earth below.

    Zechariah chapter 5:14 shows that spirit of the woman/harlot of wickedness, being taken by two sirens [demon spirits of the disembodied women of the nephillim -see Enoch,The Book of Enoch, Translated by Robert H. Charles, 1912
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    19 And Uriel said to me: "Here shall stand the angels who have connected themselves with women, and their spirits assuming many different forms are defiling mankind and shall lead them astray into sacrificing to demons as gods, here shall they stand, till the day of the great judgement in which they shall be judged till they are made an end of. 2And the women [females born of the fallen ones] also of the angels who went astray shall become sirens."
    So in Zechariah 5:14, two sirens carry the wicked spirit of the Harlot to set her on her base prepared in "Shinar".
    Shinar was a greater area than the modern Bibles say, and included the Arabian Peninsula.
    The base -the Cube/Kaaba was set for this wicknedness in Mecca even before Islam, and housed all manner of idolatries.

    From Shoebat's Mystery Babylon is Mecca..."
    All from Shoebat dot com, above.


    Iran has declared that Saudi Arabia is to be destroyed by them.
    As to the Harlot committing fornication and buying all manner of precious jewels and slaves and bodies and souls of men, and her destruction of the saints, there are many videos showing her to be such.
    The Red sea is connected to the Mediterranean by the Suez Canal, and much goods from all the world are bought by the Saudis and the slaves they have are documented, in many places.[
     
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  5. yeshuasavedme

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    The first reply had an error which I corrected in the second, same post, but I cannot get it to open for edit, so I had to copy and do-over.
    Haggai says the Seed which was then in the barn [Zion above, personified as the Woman to build up Zion by her seed], was to be laid on the 24th day of the seventh month, which was the date of the incarnation of God in flesh, making his birth at the first of Tabernacles, and his circumcision on the "8th Day", and his death on Passover, three and a half years later....
    Still, the "mystery of wickedness" -the spirit of the harlot opposing the Spirit of Zion is the spirit now with her base in Mecca.
     
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    How is it having a method of interp that is the mirror image of how Islam does things?

    Nothing--absolutely nothing--"needs" to happen in the middle east (like it must in Islam) in order for God to complete the day of judgement of the earth as described in Romans 2 or 2 Pet 3.

    I don't know what the Rev is for other than the fortification of Christians who face martyrdom or are grieving that they have lost friends as such. I will NOT be found reading it as though it contained a complete description of everything supposed to happen at the end of time. To do so would be to have completely taken up the Islamic mindset, a system which doesn't even have a Gospel! (Last I checked, the marking doctrine of being a Christian was that of a Gospel).

    Meanwhile Shoebat may have very good practical advice about public safety. Just don't go off into pre-written, pre-programmed prophecy absolutes.
     
  7. yeshuasavedme

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    In the desert of Arabia, in the city of Mecca, the base is set for the "mother of Harlots", "wickedness".
    Zec 5:9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women/females, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork [sirens/seducing spirits/demons]: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.
    Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?
    And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.

    Her own base is the Kaaba, in Mecca, that part of ancient Shinar now called the Arabian Peninsula, and home to Edomites, Ishmaelites, other ites and mixes of them; all who are descended from Abraham's 7 other sons, his grandson Esau, and his great nephews, born to Lot, by incest


    The 8th king, of the 7, is the revived Ottomon Empire, and those of the Turkey/Iran alliance will destroy the Harlot, their own "mother", as the Bible says, which Walid teaches about from the Scriptures, showing the ancient names of them in prophecy and what they are called today.

    On the ancient Sea Trade, through the Red Sea:
    There was an early, ancient canal from Red Sea to Mediterranean, built by the Pharaohs of the time of Moses, apparently [*see below].

    * God has an ancient controversy to settle in the future, with the heavenly principality set over Egypt, who inspired the Pharaoh of the Exodus to blaspheme God and claim:
    I used to think he must have claimed making the Nile???, but I have now seen that it has been discovered that there was an ancient canal linking the Red Sea with the Mediterranean [though small, apparently], and that was what the Pharoah boasted of, for in the history book of the Upright/Yasher/Jasher, the king of Egypt is inspired to boast against God:
    Jasher 79:46-51
     
  8. brian57

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    According to muslims the archangel Gabriel visited muhammed , and from this union the Koran was created. Paul tells us that Satan can become an angel of light if he so chooses and I believe that this is what happened.

    They also believe that the comforter spoken of in our bible is referring to Muhammad.

    JOHN 15:26: "When the Comforter comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me."

    JOHN 16:7,8: "But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Comforter will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment...."


    I am in no doubt that Satan is behind islam and that Mecca is the city that rules the Islamic nations through her religious deception.

    Good work yeshuasavedme , I enjoyed the read...:thumbsup:
     
  9. Bible2

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    Note that the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast"), during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18), won't support Islam in its past and current form, insofar as Islam affirms that Jesus is the Christ (e.g. Koran 4:157, Koran 4:171), while the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22). And Islam affirms that Christ is in the flesh, while the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will deny that Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7). And Islam affirms that the God of the Bible (YHWH) is the true God, while the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). And Islam (mistakenly) affirms that no man can be God, while the Antichrist will say that he is God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). And Islam forbids the worship of any images (Koran 21:52, Koran 6:74), while the Antichrist will have an image made of himself to be worshipped (Revelation 13:15). And Islam rejects Lucifer (Satan) as being evil, while the Antichrist will bring the world into the conscious and open worship of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9). So the Antichrist's religion during his 3.5-year worldwide reign won't be Islam in its past and current form, but a blend of Luciferianism and Gnosticism.

    Nonetheless, before Lucifer gives the Antichrist power over all nations (Revelation 13:4-7), the Antichrist, and the man who will be his False Prophet (Revelation 19:20) (who could be a secretly-apostate pope), could at first pretend to wholly support Islam in its current form (as well as Christianity), in order to start gaining a worldwide following.
     
  10. Bible2

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    Even though Islam (in its current form) won't be the religion of the Antichrist during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign, Islam could be, since the latter half of the 7th century AD, Revelation 17:10's seventh empire (the Antichrist's empire will be a different, still-future, 8th empire: Revelation 17:11). Also, because Islam falsely claims that the anti-gospel Koran came through the angel Gabriel, it is one fulfillment of Galatians 1:8-9 (cf. 2 Corinthians 11:14).

    Islam is an anti-gospel religion because, even though it affirms that Jesus is the Christ (e.g. Koran 4:157, Koran 5:17,75), it denies that Jesus is the human/divine Son of God (Koran 9:30, Koran 4:171, Koran 5:72). And it denies that he died on the Cross for our sins (Koran 4:157) and rose physically from the dead on the 3rd day. In order to be saved, people have to believe the gospel that Jesus is both the Christ and the human/divine Son of God (John 3:16,36; 1 John 2:23), and that he died on the Cross for our sins and rose physically from the dead on the 3rd day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Luke 24:39,46,47, Matthew 20:19, Matthew 26:28).

    The reason why it is necessary to believe these things in order to be saved is because it was only as the human/divine Son of God that Jesus' suffering during his Passion could satisfy God the Father's justice (Isaiah 53:11), which requires an infinite amount of human suffering for sin (Matthew 25:46).

    Jesus' suffering during his Passion was sufficient to forgive the sins of everyone (1 John 2:2), because Jesus isn't just a human, but also God (John 1:1,14, John 10:30, John 20:28). His soul is infinite, and so the suffering of his soul (Isaiah 53:11) was infinite in amount, even though it wasn't infinite in duration. And so his suffering could satisfy God the Father's justice (Isaiah 53:11, KJV; 1 Peter 3:18), which requires an infinite amount of human suffering for sin (Matthew 25:46). Because humans who aren't God have finite souls, for them to suffer an infinite amount for their sins, they must suffer over an infinite duration of time (Matthew 25:46, Revelation 14:10-11, Mark 9:46).

    Every human has sinned (Romans 3:23), except Jesus (Hebrews 4:15b; 2 Corinthians 5:21). But because Jesus suffered for sins (1 Peter 3:18, Isaiah 53:11) an infinite amount, when the elect repent from their sins and believe in Jesus' human/divine sacrifice, they can have their past sins forgiven (Romans 3:25-26, Matthew 26:28), while God the Father's justice remains fully satisfied by Jesus' suffering for their sins (Isaiah 53:11, KJV; 1 Peter 3:18).

    One way to help Muslims understand how Jesus can be God, from everlasting, is to question them about their understanding of the Muslim belief regarding the Koran. For Islam says that there was no time when the Koran didn't exist in a spiritual form in heaven, that it has always coexisted with Allah as his word. So Christians can show Muslims that the Bible says that before Jesus' incarnation, there was no time when he didn't exist in a spiritual form in heaven. He has always coexisted with God the Father as God the Word (John 1:1,14).

    This isn't to suggest that the Muslim claim regarding the Koran is true, or that the book itself is true. Indeed, because (again) Islam falsely claims that the anti-gospel Koran came through the angel Gabriel, it is one fulfillment of Galatians 1:8-9 (cf. 2 Corinthians 11:14).
     
  11. yeshuasavedme

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    To Bible2:
    The Bible states that the spirit of antiChrist is in the world and denies the Father and the Son.
    Islam denies the Father and the Son. Islam claims no Son for the Father, and no Father for the Son. Islam denies the Deity, the crucifixion, the death, and the resurrection of the Son of God.
    Islam is the "home base" spirit of anti-Christ to dwell in, and is the "mother of harlots" =the "worst of the harlots".
    Roman Catholicism has never denied the Father and the Son -ever! The Deity of God the Son, the crucifixion, the death, the resurrection of the Son of God is a center of Roman Catholism. Nuff said!
    Do read the Bible for info on the spirit of antiChrist, which denies the Son of God's Deity.
     
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    Why would John write about a present enemy and opposition that was actually 600 years from showing up?
     
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    In Genesis 3:15, Why did God the Word -"The Voice of YHWH", tell Adam about the Seed of the Woman[ Zion above], who was 4,000 years from showing up, who would "crush the head of the serpent [the seat of Satan's authority given to him over earth at the fall]?
    See, God's Word is like that: He tells the end from the beginning.
    It all started at the fall and it ends in Revelation, with many prophets between telling it like it would be, is, and was.
     
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    He said that to Eve so that the very first generation would have the hope of the Gospel. It proved to be so strong that a translation of 4:1 is "With the Lord's help, I have given birth to the man." She seems to have missed the 4000 year thing.

    That's very different situation from getting your fragile 1st century audience nervous about deceptive enemies ...who aren't going to be around for 6 centuries. No, he was speaking about conditions and movements right then. As you know Mt 24A mentions decievers and false christs in that 1st century setting too.
     
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    different, how so? Explain how it was any different than the first generation expecting redemption verse 1st century expecting deceptive enemies- they both thought the prophecy was for them. That first generation turned into 100 still expecting redemption, here we are 2k+ years later with decievers and false christs. The only thing you and others can argue is that we know Christ has came fulfilling that prophecy, you and others presume 70ad events was a fulfillment, because it "fits" with explaining the 70ad events or showing a punishment for rejecting the messiah. Because his disciples asked when shall these things G, many presume Jesus answered them for their knowledge of now and not the forewarning of an actual end time prophecy, end time as in Him descending back down from heaven upon a white horse with His armies to defend Jerusalem and slay all the unrighteous. While it might G that Jesus did answer all 3 portions as they asked, it might G He gave them the answer He wanted them to know and not what they thought they wanted.
     
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    You err. The promise was spoken to the Serpent, when by the fall of Adam he and his evil angels got control of the flesh of all earth's creation [Corruption entered] and dominion over the souls who died, to hold them in the "belly of the earth"
    ...and in the presence of Adam was the promise made of the coming Redeemer.

    The Woman is the heavenly Zion of the Spirit, and because of the fall, She became the "barren Widow" and She would not be built up with the Adam creation human being living stones made for the Glory to indwell, as sons of God.

    4 And the LORD God said unto the serpent
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    15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it [He] shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

    The Seed of the Woman would come as a New Creation human being Firstborn Son of God, and undo the curse;
    cleanse the souls of the seed born in Adam [the former, but dead in spirit since the fall, son of God, "Adam"], by His Acceptable sacrifice;
    and give new Life by His adoption into His Living Spirit of the lost Adam creation [to whosoever will believe who were of age to understand and to all who die in Adam flesh before the age of understanding];
    and "build up Zion" -the heavenly City-, by those living adopted stones, "for the Glory" to indwell, but in the New Man name, which is not "Adam", but is "Israel".
    That New Name the Firstborn Son of God will "write" on every adopted son's flesh by regenerating the DNA of them in the regeneration of that flesh; and by that regeneration the serpent no longer "eats the dust/flesh" of all earth creatures cursed by the fall, when Corruption got the dominion of them, and Death and Destruction held them prisoners in the "Belly of the earth" =Sheol.

    There is a lot of doctrine in Genesis 3 for the foundation of the entire story of the fall and redemption. That is when the "Head" -the Evil Spirit called Satan/the Devil [and his evil angels who were created to be evil angels so as to test and tempt the holy angels and the Adam creation], got dominion over the flesh of all creation on earth and Corruption entered to "eat the flesh" of Adamkind and all creatures on earth and became the King of the Belly of the earth, where dead souls were held until their time to rise from there.
    Read Enoch to understand the belly of the earth and the references to Abaddon, a Satan [there is one head/chief, and many under him], in the Bible as the King of the Pit below.
     
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    Regarding Revelation 17:5, note that while the corrupt aspects of Islam are included in what Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) represents, it represents much more than just the corrupt aspects of Islam. For Islam just by itself doesn't reign over the kings of the earth (Revelation 17:18). Nor is Islam the only religion under which people buy merchandise (Revelation 18:11). Nor is Islam the religion under which all Christian martyrs have been killed (Revelation 18:24). Nor has Islam just by itself corrupted the entire world (Revelation 18:3). Nor has Islam been continuously supported by the empires of fallen man throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10). Instead, Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" represents all of mankind's corrupt political (Revelation 17:18), economic (Revelation 18:11), and religious (Revelation 18:24) systems throughout the earth (Revelation 18:3), and throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10).
     
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    That's right.

    The Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast"), during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18), won't support Roman Catholicism in its past and current form, insofar as Roman Catholicism affirms that Jesus is the Christ, while the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22). And Catholicism affirms that Jesus is the Son of God, while the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Son of God (1 John 2:22b). And Catholicism affirms that Christ is in the flesh, while the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will deny that Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7). And Catholicism affirms that the God of the Bible (YHWH) is the true God, while the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). And Catholicism affirms that the only man who is God is Jesus Christ of Nazareth, while the Antichrist will say that he (the Antichrist) is God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). And Catholicism affirms that Lucifer (Satan) is evil, while the Antichrist will bring the world into the conscious and open worship of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9). So the Antichrist's religion during his 3.5-year worldwide reign won't be Catholicism in its past and current form, but a blend of Luciferianism and Gnosticism.

    Nonetheless, before Lucifer gives the Antichrist power over all nations (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), the Antichrist, and the man who will be his False Prophet (Revelation 19:20), could at first pretend to support Catholicism (as well as Christianity generally, and also Islam), in order to start gaining a worldwide following.

    The beast which comes up out of the earth in Revelation 13:11-16 represents the individual man who will become the Antichrist's False Prophet (Revelation 19:20, Revelation 16:13). He could be a secretly-apostate pope who at some point during his tenure will make a great push for peace and unity between Christianity and Islam. He could say something like: "Why do we fight each other? Are we not all the spiritual children of Abraham and of his God, the one God? Can't we lay aside our foolish, man-made differences of theology, which have done us no good at all, but only brought us hatred and violence, and unite into one religion of Abraham, one religion of peace, based on love for the one God and love for our fellow man? What is more important than this?"

    He could be so skillful in elucidating what the moderate Muslims could call "the true, peaceful, loving nature of Islam", that he could be hailed by them worldwide as (in their words) "a Great Imam, come to rescue our beloved Islam from the bad reputation falsely given to it by the terrorists". In this way, a pope could come to hold high positions of power in 2 religions at the same time, which could be symbolized by the 2 horns of the False Prophet lamb (Revelation 13:11). This would be similar to how the 7 horns of the true-Jesus lamb in Revelation 5:6 could represent the true Jesus holding 7 positions of power at the same time (cf. Jesus wearing many crowns at the same time in Revelation 19:12). The False Prophet could even say that he is Jesus. (But he won't say that he is Christ, for the False Prophet and the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Christ, and will deny that Christ is in the flesh: 1 John 2:22; 2 John 1:7.)

    Once the False Prophet by his amazing miracles has brought the world under his spell (Revelation 13:13-18, Revelation 19:20), including many Muslims and Christians who may not care much for scriptural dogma, but could go wild over his signs and wonders, he could begin to (in his words) "restore to the world the real message which was spoken by me (Jesus) at my first coming, and by the great prophet Mohammed, but which message became corrupted by power-hungry men when they copied and changed the early manuscripts of the Bible and the Koran". He could then gradually initiate the world into the Antichrist's Gnostic Luciferianism (1 John 4:3, Revelation 13:4-6), a religion which could have existed since ancient times in some "mystery" cults, and which still exists today in the highest degree of initiation of a worldwide secret society. The False Prophet could present his miraculously calling fire down from heaven (Revelation 13:13) as purported proof that Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist are the true God (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9), in an inversion of how back in Old Testament times, Elijah miraculously called fire down from heaven to prove that YHWH is the true God (1 Kings 18:37-39).

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    If a secretly-apostate pope does become the Antichrist's False Prophet (of Revelation 13:11-16, Revelation 19:20, and Revelation 16:13), adherents of Catholicism will have to decide what their ultimate source of truth is: Is it the pope and the RCC, or God and the Bible? Many adherents of Catholicism who know God and the Bible well and hold to them as their ultimate source of truth will no doubt be utterly aghast at the false doctrines of a False Prophet pope. Such adherents of Catholicism could demand that he be removed for heresy and apostasy, and that the cardinals elect a new pope. But other adherents of Catholicism, including many cardinals, bishops, and priests, could be deceived (along with most of the rest of the world) into believing the False Prophet pope's false doctrines, because of his ability to perform the most amazing miracles (Revelation 13:13-14, Revelation 19:20; cf. Matthew 24:24).

    And so a great schism could arise within the RCC. Compare the Akita prophecy: "The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops". Many adherents of Catholicism could follow the False Prophet pope, while other adherents of Catholicism could reject him and eventually even elect their own, new pope (or reinstall a former pope who is still alive), whom they could declare to be the "True pope". But this new (or reinstated), "True pope" could then be murdered, along with many of his followers, by the False Prophet pope's soldiers. Compare the 3rd Secret of Fatima: "he [the pope] was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions". Could the soldiers firing "arrows" be the Vatican's Swiss Guards, whose weapons and colorful uniforms hark back to the Middle Ages?

    After this slaughter, the False Prophet pope could manage to retain the papacy and full control of the Vatican, and through his (deceived) cardinals, bishops, and priests, retain full control of all RCC cathedrals, parishes, churches, etc., throughout the world. And when the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") obtains power over all nations, he and the False Prophet will make war against true, Biblical Christians (whether they are adherents of Catholicism or not) throughout the world, and will physically overcome them and kill them (by beheading) in every nation (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13).

    It is only when the Antichrist has completely broken all the physical power of the true church (which consists of all true believers, whether they are adherents of Catholicism or not: Ephesians 4:4-6) that the future tribulation will end (Daniel 12:7b) and Jesus' 2nd coming will immediately occur, at which time he will physically resurrect and rapture (gather together) the church (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6). At his 2nd coming, Jesus will tread the winepress of God's wrath alone (Isaiah 63:3, Revelation 19:15-21), and so he/God will get all the glory for defeating the power of evil on the earth (Deuteronomy 32:39-43), for he/God won't share this glory with the church (cf. Isaiah 42:8-14, Isaiah 26:18).
     
  19. yeshuasavedme

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    Back to the subject of this OP, instead of the rambling opinions of "it could be such and such" hijackings of this thread, which opinions are devoid of absolute Bible prophecy statements, as Walid Shoebat shows us "will be", according to what is written in God's Word.....
    Shoebat has been telling it for years that God's Word shows that Elam [now the base of Nuke facilities in Iran], will rise up against the "mystery Babylon's home base" and nuke her, and that home base [which was to come and is come, as is shown Zechariah 5], is Mecca, in Arabia's desert, where Riyadi is the Capital city of the Harlot's entrenchment.
    So Iran is getting the Nuke, and is behind the invasion of Yemen, which is in full force and is continuing to go on now, [Yemen is Teman, in the Word of God], and Saudi Arabia and 19 other Islamic nations just launched full scale war on the Iranian backed Houthi's who deposed the king of Yemen.
    Yemen is where the Port of Aden is, at the mouth of the Red Sea, where the Oil is shipped out and the luxuries and slaves are shipped into the Harlot's Den.
    Have a look at Watch.org, on the doings there which will end in total nuking, eventually, of Mecca, the City of the Idol which Muslim's pray to from all over the world, kneeling 5 times a day, facing it, to pray to the beast.
    KOENIG | World Watch Daily


    KOENIG | World Watch Daily
     
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    And so...why would the Rev say these things are immediate, at hand, happening quickly in the late 1st century?
     
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