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Evolution's Brick Wall

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by inquiring mind, Jul 30, 2018.

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  1. Heissonear

    Heissonear Geochemist and Stratigrapher Supporter

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    You still did not present what has been requested - the specific evidence that one lifeform changing into another lifeform over time in the fossil record, showing the morphological details.

    Many on CF are failing to realize the dilemma evolution is in - lack of observable historic evidence that proves it has occurred.
     
  2. PsychoSarah

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    1. Benign mutations measurably occur, estimated to be 1-5% of mutations overall (variation in that with different species). An example in our own species that is becoming more common is one that reduces the amount of sleep a human requires every night by about 2 hours. Not only that, but the vast amount of examples seen in plant breeding for crops alone makes the presence of benign mutations indisputable.
    2. In what universe do organisms better suited for surviving and reproducing NOT have better success at passing on their genes than those with traits less suited to those things? In what way is stating that organisms which have beneficial mutations are better at surviving than those that don't conjecture?
    3. I ran an evolution experiment in which I made the environment suit organisms that can swim well better than those that don't, and I ended up with Triops with longer tails in less than 10 generations. I'll send you some eggs so you can try it for yourself if you want, but come on, I documented the experiment on here with pictures and everything. I get the ball rolling starting at post 112, since I had a couple failed attempts (first species eggs didn't hatch, second species ate each other, but third species worked) https://www.christianforums.com/thr...creationists-choose-their-fate.8031294/page-6

    I actually performed an evolution experiment that resulted in the population visually changing, so I don't really see what I need to "face up" to.
     
  3. Heissonear

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    It is quite remarkable the continuing replies I get but nothing on what I have clearly stated - where is the morphologically detailed fossil evidence of one lifeform changing into another lifeform over time.

    It is apparent many on CF have not known about how evolution is based on conjecture.

    Now we will see who is open or closed-door bias.
     
  4. mark kennedy

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    Im not entirely sure what your getting at here, is the weird cow picture the result of a single mutation? It's been a while since I tracked down the myocine gene but an improved jaw is not the same thing as an enlarged brain. At least 60 unique brain related genes not found in chimpanzee genomes. HAR 1f allows 15 substitutions after only allowing 2 the previous 300 million years. That is not nearly as bad as the fact that there is no hominid line until 2 mya and the only transitional the previous million years is an obvious transitional to gorilla from the more gracial chimpanzee line. Then Turkaa boy shows up 100% anatomically human with a skull within the range of human variation.

    I could go on and on with this, why nothing from the Darwinian camp except that pandas thumb scattergram and tangential anecdotal evidence? I mean I know I could make a formidable argument for chimpanzee human common ancestry, only problem is I could soundly refute it. Its all very puzzling and the history of TOE as it's developed over the decades since Darwin is the stuff of conspiracy theories. Esoteric on so many levels, profoundly philosophical in its orientation and most of you act like you've never heard of Charels Darwin or the Modenr Synthesis.

    I'm not even annoyed anymore, just deeply puzzled.
     
  5. Heissonear

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    This is the type of stuff that has been coming out for a century and more: all conjecture, and zero morphologically detailed fossil evidence. Zero proof evolution ever happened.


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    Conjecture-based conclusions. Right before your eyes.
     
  6. Colter

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  7. PsychoSarah

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    -_- it's just caused by deposition of sediments on inclined surfaces like dunes by wind or water.
     
  8. Colter

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    I'm just curious how young earthers explain it?
     
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  9. AV1611VET

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    But they've connected the dots.

    And that's all that counts to them.
     
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  10. pitabread

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    Uh... what?

    Curious, because I find it's the opposite with creationists. They dwell on Charles Darwin and not much else in biology; especially from the 21st century.
     
  11. mark kennedy

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    Typical, you dont know your own history. Google the Modern Synthesis and get back to me. Then you might want to read the first few paragraphs of the, 'initial Sequence of the Human Genome" 'because if you dont know Darwin and Mendel you have no clue what this is about
     
  12. pitabread

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    ...
     
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  13. pitabread

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    Out of curiosity, have you ever formally studied the subject of biology and/or evolution (e.g. college)? I'd be interested to know your formal background in this.
     
  14. mark kennedy

    mark kennedy Natura non facit saltum Supporter

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    I took a Biology 101 class, and you?
     
  15. pitabread

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    A few university science courses including a second year course in genetics & evolution, first year physics and a course in paleontology. That's the extent of my formal science education.
     
  16. Colter

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    We have the fossilized remains of the different life forms preserved in the stratified layers which occurred at different eras on the timeline. It would be impossible to find the fossil of a mutated form next to it's parent.
     
  17. AV1611VET

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    Actually it's easy as Pi.

    We have what's called "graveyards" that do that very thing.

    The problem is, evolution doesn't have graveyards; it has an ocean basin.

    With a grain of sand here and a grain of sand there, a hundred miles away, and so on.

    Then they draw lines between the grains (called "missing links"), and assume everything is interconnected.
     
  18. Colter

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    We have the fossilized remains of the different life forms preserved in the stratified layers which occurred at different eras on the timeline. It would be impossible to find the fossil of a mutated form next to it's parent.
     
  19. Colter

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    That isn't true, we have the fossils not grains of sand. You suffer from contempt prior to investigation which guarantees a life of perpetual ignorance. But we also have the graves of ancient humans.
     
  20. AV1611VET

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    What's an "ancient human"?
     
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