Evolution now accepted by majority of Americans

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Never seen that... Examples?

I suspect none.
That which you don't want to believe is actually rather common these days.

Check with your local high schools and ask what their grading scale is. And, you could simply read the newspaper articles when they announce who your local high school valedictorians and salutatorians are. They generally do give those people's GPAs as part of the report.

One of the reasons higher ed is not putting as great an emphasis on things like SATs is that they do not actually track well in terms of student success or failure.
See post #20 where your mistake was answered.
 
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Well, yes, of course. And I don't fault anyone who takes advantage of the many opportunities have developed only in recent years that amount to a "short cut" to a college degree. They want a decent job and that's a requirement for most of them.

However, that wasn't the focus of the conversation when I wrote my post. Rather it was about how educated the public is these days. That is what I responded to with my comments.


To be an educated person is not the same as accumulating the prerequisites needed for holding some particular job.

A cut- rate college degree won't get anyone much of a job.
More likely it will just set you back 4 years and put you in debt.

The industrial model state university is a money machine for the
community that houses it. There is very little if any benefit to
students who set out to cheat themselves.
Fool and his money soon parted is always going to be true.

Those who think everything is always getting worse will always
think they are right, facts never matter.

Having the skills for some kind of work is exactly what it means
to be educated.
Try to impress a farmer with hoe educated you are and see how it
turns out. Or a master machinest or an opera singer or or or.

Nobody is educated in everything.

By "educated" we often mean having a broad base of
knowledge and a degree of associated wisdom. But an
"Educated" person lacking any useful skill is pretty pathetic.

If you feel like saying-
Did you get a university degree?
Do you consider yourself to be an educated person?
 
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That which you don't want to believe is actually rather common these days.

Check with your local high schools and ask what their grading scale is. And, you could simply read the newspaper articles when they announce who your local high school valedictorians and salutatorians are. They generally do give those people's GPAs as part of the report.


Schools either use an Unweighted or Weighted grading system. They don't give a Weighted GPA if they are using an Unweighted system.
 
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The level of public acceptance of evolution in the United States is now solidly above the halfway mark, according to a new study based on a series of national public opinion surveys conducted over the last 35 years.

"From 1985 to 2010, there was a statistical dead heat between acceptance and rejection of evolution," said lead researcher Jon D. Miller of the Institute for Social Research at the University of Michigan. "But acceptance then surged, becoming the majority position in 2016."

Evolution now accepted by majority of Americans

One of the factors they talk about is the steady increasing in education levels. I've long said that education and understanding of science is the achilles heel of creationist beliefs. These types of demographic trends will continue to result in a steady decline in creationism.
It being that low is still pretty depressing.
 
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It being that low is still pretty depressing.

At least it's going in the right direction. And given the demographics of creationists (e.g. they are in proportionally older cohorts), this trend will continue.
 
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A cut- rate college degree won't get anyone much of a job.
That used to be the case. Now, enough reputable colleges have themselves gotten into that game (for the easy revenue that's involved, mainly) that what you are saying no longer holds. Of course it matters which institution the student chooses.

By "educated" we often mean having a broad base of
knowledge and a degree of associated wisdom. But an
"Educated" person lacking any useful skill is pretty pathetic.
Certainly, but this isn't an "either-or" issue.

And BTW, my initial response to this business basically covered all the finer points and exceptions that you are now raising.
 
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That used to be the case. Now, enough reputable colleges have themselves gotten into that game (for the easy revenue that's involved, mainly) that what you are saying no longer holds. Of course it matters which institution the student chooses.


Certainly, but this isn't an "either-or" issue.

And BTW, my initial response to this business basically covered all the finer points and exceptions that you are now raising.

Your " enough colleges" comment in noway addresses that said college
degrees are worthless, other, that is, than to under.ine the fact and
comment on how it got to being just as I said.

Now, time was when college degrees were rare. It meant more then.
For one, degrees is like taters. Valuable when scarce.
 
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Your " enough colleges" comment in noway addresses that said college
degrees are worthless, other, that is, than to under.ine the fact and
comment on how it got to being just as I said.
It was "enough reputable colleges" and the point was that the college degrees thus earned are NOT worthless. It's just the opposite; they legitimize substandard educations when conferred by respected and long-established schools.
 
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It was "enough reputable colleges" and the point was that the college degrees thus earned are NOT worthless. It's just the opposite; they legitimize substandard educations when conferred by respected and long-established schools.

Reputable schmeptable, how do you draw the line?

Othern that you seem to just say what I said.

Lots of degrees are useless. But a person can learn and
succeed even with a second rate school.
 
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Reputable schmeptable, how do you draw the line?
I guess you'd have to know the reputations of the colleges involved, and I'm not going to describe and assess each example for you.

Lots of degrees are useless. But a person can learn and
succeed even with a second rate school.
...which doesn't even address the issue we've supposedly been discussing.

The end
 
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Too bad the religion of peace cannot seem to live up to its promises.
Jesus didn't promise peace actually.

It brings a spiritual peace, but disrupts the natural order.
 
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I guess you'd have to know the reputations of the colleges involved, and I'm not going to describe and assess each example for you.


...which doesn't even address the issue we've supposedly been discussing.

The end
not a minute too soon
 
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Being a solidly Christian nation for a couple of centuries sure didn't
do any of that.
Was it though?

Colonialism featured state religions, but the sermon on the mount is not core to the ideology of those state religions.
 
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Was it though?

Colonialism featured state religions, but the sermon on the mount is not core to the ideology of those state religions.

"Colonialism" isn't relevant, there is no state religion in the USA,
never has been. So zero there.

Sermon on the mount isn't ideology.

Now, ON TPOIC, the USA is, has always been,
a primarily Christian country. No non Christian has been
president. It been a bitter battle to get Christianity out
of government. Surely any American knows this.

Christians and the govt they've controlled have
put on exactly the poor show I said. Your comments
have no bearing whatever on that.
 
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"Colonialism" isn't relevant, there is no state religion in the USA,
never has been. So zero there.

Sermon on the mount isn't ideology.

Now, ON TPOIC, the USA is, has always been,
a primarily Christian country. No non Christian has been
president. It been a bitter battle to get Christianity out
of government. Surely any American knows this.

Christians and the govt they've controlled have
put on exactly the poor show I said. Your comments
have no bearing whatever on that.
What you said understands little of the history behind the issues.

You misunderstood the ideology bit.

The Christianity people are trying to get out of government is more akin to the antichrist to me. However, I'm a Canadian so ...
 
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What you said makes no sense.

The Christianity people are trying to get out of government is more akin to the antichrist to me. However, I'm a Canadian so ...

I didn't say the Christians are trying to get theirvreligion out.

It's people who want the constitution to be honoured who
want religion out of govt.
 
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I didn't say the Christians are trying to get theirvreligion out.

It's people who want the constitution to be honoured who
want religion out of govt.
Are you using google translate? The frequency of misunderstanding is nostalgic.
 
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So's the racism.
I wasn't sure if it was an abbott and costello act either. But it was obvious the conversation was going nowhere.

You didn't understand my sentences, and my understanding of your sentences did not reflect what you meant either.
 
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