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Evolution becomes theory, theory becomes word (Word becomes guide)

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by Gottservant, Aug 9, 2018.

  1. Gottservant

    Gottservant God loves your words, may men love them also Supporter

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    Ok.

    I sort of get what it is like for you: you reconstruct a response, that at some point is homogeneous with everything else you believe.

    So, if at some point your theory was forced to take a back seat, you would have only fragments of understanding to go by.

    (ps. schizophrenia is not a curse, if you make more sense in the end)
     
  2. Gottservant

    Gottservant God loves your words, may men love them also Supporter

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    I think you nailed it.

    It's funny that it takes a special kind of discretion to reply meaningfully.

    I found your post quite coherent, better than my own - even.
     
  3. Gene2memE

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    Speaking as a former teacher, there are some things that you need to establish as fact quickly and move on, otherwise you risk miring the whole curriculum debating something that's actually irrelevant to the subject being taught and the outcomes you want for them.

    Questioning evolution in science class is like questioning the origin and history of the English language during an a poetry class. It's actually irrelevant to what's being taught and would only mire the class in irrelevant discussion and debate.

    Yet, if the idea that English resulted from a one-off cataclysmic event in the Levant about ~4500 years ago that created all languages was as popular as the rejection of evolution is, I'd bet there would be English teachers that would precis their classes the same way.
     
  4. Gottservant

    Gottservant God loves your words, may men love them also Supporter

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    Just for the record, I did not actually question "Evolution".

    Any theory made with words has to have a working component.

    I was merely asking what that component was.
     
  5. The IbanezerScrooge

    The IbanezerScrooge I can't believe what I'm hearing...

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    It isn't about words. Its about understanding processes. I think this is a hangup religious people have with science in general. They operate on authority and the words of authority. Even when they speak of understanding they are doing it under the umbrella of the authority of the holy spirit and of god. This is why they fixate on definitions and people like Dawkins or Hawking instead of engaging the ideas they bring up. To them, that's how knowledge works and once you learn something from a "master" then it can't change or it's wrong.

    That's not how science works. Ultimately, it doesn't matter what Dawkins or Gould or Kimura or Hawking say so much as what they can show and demonstrate and compare and contrast to previous knowledge. They all have their opinions and they are all various degrees of wrong just like everyone else. What matters is how it compares to knowledge we've accumulated through observation of reality through time.
     
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  6. Warden_of_the_Storm

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    No such thing.
     
  7. Warden_of_the_Storm

    Warden_of_the_Storm Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry, but that question doesn't make sense.
     
  8. AV1611VET

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    I'll take what Solomon said over any academian any day of the week.
     
  9. Warden_of_the_Storm

    Warden_of_the_Storm Well-Known Member

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    You have every right too, but there is zero sense of reason or even faith to do so.
     
  10. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET BELIEVE IN MIRACLES Supporter

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    I'll find something. :)
     
  11. VirOptimus

    VirOptimus A nihilist who cares.

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    You saw sagacious Solomon
    You know what came of him
    To him, complexities seemed plain
    He cursed the hour that gave birth to him
    And saw that everything was vain
    How great and wise was Solomon
    The world, however, did not wait
    But soon observed what followed on
    It's wisdom that had brought him to this state
    How fortunate the man with none


    You saw courageous Caesar next
    You know what he became
    They deified him in his life
    Then had him murdered just the same
    And as they raised the fatal knife
    How loud he cried "you too my son!"
    The world, however, did not wait
    But soon observed what followed on
    It's courage that had brought him to that state
    How fortunate the man with none


    You heard of honest Socrates
    The man who never lied
    They weren't so grateful as you'd think
    Instead the rulers fixed to have him tried
    And handed him the poisoned drink
    How honest was the people's noble son
    The world, however, did not wait
    But soon observed what followed on
    It's honesty that brought him to that state
    How fortunate the man with none


    Here you can see respectable folk
    Keeping to God's own laws
    So far he hasn't taken heed
    You who sit safe and warm indoors
    Help to relieve out bitter need
    How virtuously we had begun
    The world, however, did not wait
    But soon observed what followed on
    It's fear of God that brought us to that state
    How fortunate the man with none
     
  12. VirOptimus

    VirOptimus A nihilist who cares.

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    I dont believe in curses, but no, I’m not belitteling you for your condition. I’m just explaining why your posts are hard to understand.
     
  13. AV1611VET

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    And now we see a scientist
    Steeped in all his pride
    Doing what he does best
    And polluting us with Thalidomide

    And if that wasn't good enough
    Because of what came after
    He built an O-ring, solid and tough
    That killed seven people at NASA

    You'd think they'd learn from time to time
    And do something right for a change
    But fame and fortune beckons them
    To work on something strange
     
  14. Warden_of_the_Storm

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    Stop bringing these up! They have nothing to do with evolution, so this is just trolling at this point.
     
  15. VirOptimus

    VirOptimus A nihilist who cares.

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    He just love revelling in death and misery. Weird.
     
  16. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET BELIEVE IN MIRACLES Supporter

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  17. Warden_of_the_Storm

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    Big difference compared to what you do. This has been explained to you a myriad of times.
     
  18. Loren T.

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    "My theory of evolution is that Darwin was adopted."
     
  19. PsychoSarah

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    Don't read too deeply into it, Gottservant just skipped out on his meds again. That's not a joke, he's mentioned needing to take medications relating to mental processes before. He must have been keeping up with the pills until recently, since I haven't seen him on here in a while.
     
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  20. PsychoSarah

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    Is, since the theory still exists, and there are multiple factors that contribute to evolution. Genetic drift, mutation, and natural selection are the most common ones discussed on here, with occassional references to sexual selection.
     
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