Evolution and Psychology

[juvenissun]

... as Christians we believe in a "bodily resurrection" not a ghost in a machine that ascends to some wholly spiritual realm at death.

So, if I died now, when would I resurrect?
Where would I be before the resurrection?

What is the forum to talk about this issue? Or it belongs to here if we involve science in the discussion?

 

[stumpjumper]

So, if I died now, when would I resurrect?
Where would I be before the resurrection?

I don't know.

My personal belief is that heaven and earth co-exist alongside and intertwined with each other and that those in heaven have been resurrected in some way or form.

Bodily resurrection does not have to our current physical bodies as the depictions of the resurrected Christ definitely referenced a changed existence that was still material in some way.

What is the forum to talk about this issue? Or it belongs to here if we involve science in the discussion?

Technically it would be eschatology but General Theology might be a good place.

It would be a change of pace from the daily Protestant/Catholic squabbling.

 

[juvenissun]

I don't know.

My personal belief is that heaven and earth co-exist alongside and intertwined with each other and that those in heaven have been resurrected in some way or form.

Bodily resurrection does not have to our current physical bodies as the depictions of the resurrected Christ definitely referenced a changed existence that was still material in some way.

So, after my physical body died (machine), my spiritual body (soul? or ghost) "could" still be somewhere before the resurrection.

Is this a Dualism concept in Christianity? What is wrong with that?

 

[stumpjumper]

So, after my physical body died (machine), my spiritual body (soul? or ghost) "could" still be somewhere before the resurrection.

I wouldn't say that's before the resurrection, though.

First, we are wandering around in the realm of speculation. But, the non-dualistic aspect would be our soul is dependent upon matter and that heaven exists alongside and intertwined with the world in some way.

Is this a Dualism concept in Christianity? What is wrong with that?

It's not really dualism, though. Dualism would/could go so far as to say that matter is evil if not just unnecessary and that there is a perfect spiritual realm or something like Plato's world of ideas in his idealism.

 

[juvenissun]

So, after my physical body died (machine), my spiritual body (soul? or ghost) "could" still be somewhere before the resurrection.

I wouldn't say that's before the resurrection, though.

So, before the resurrection, where is my soul (ghost)?

First, we are wandering around in the realm of speculation.

I think there are many places in the Bible we can quote for the support of these "speculations".

But, the non-dualistic aspect would be our soul is dependent upon matter

So if I died, my soul disappeared too. Right? Anything of me still left somewhere? If not, when my new body comes back after resurrection, where comes my "new" soul? How would I know it is still "my soul"?

and that heaven exists alongside and intertwined with the world in some way.

This is an interesting concept. Where could I see more elaboration on that?

It's not really dualism, though. Dualism would/could go so far as to say that matter is evil if not just unnecessary and that there is a perfect spiritual realm or something like Plato's world of ideas in his idealism.

Got you. It sounds like a basic concept of Buddhism.

 

[stumpjumper]

I don't think we need to look at time in a strictly linear way when it pertains to God. I don't believe that God is bound by time nor is heavenly realm something that is only going to come after some sort of final judgment.

In Koine Greek, there were two words for time: Keiros and Chronos.

One was chronological time and one was God's time. Heaven exists within God's time which exists alongside the created world. Most Christians believe in the communion of saints and that those who are now dead have already entered into life eternal.

 

[juvenissun]

I don't think we need to look at time in a strictly linear way when it pertains to God. I don't believe that God is bound by time nor is heavenly realm something that is only going to come after some sort of final judgment. ... One was chronological time and one was God's time. Heaven exists within God's time which exists alongside the created world.

OK, this is the aspect of time. Is then the space an issue? Does the intertwinement of heaven and earth involves space problem too? What about the numbers of heaven, for example, the "third" heaven?

Most Christians believe in the communion of saints and that those who are now dead have already entered into life eternal.

If so, what is the resurrection about? How do we link the resurrection with the souls now already in the eternity? Again, the eternity only refers to the time. Can we say "where" in the eternity, which is the space issue. You are assuming that the dead have already entered into the final destiny in the eternity. Then why is the resurrection a necessity?

 

[Dannager]

But..what do you all think?

I think that it's time you strongly considered, with as open a mind as you can manage, that evolution might actually have something to it and that your reluctance to accept it is not grounded in anything but your own fears.

 

[stumpjumper]

I don't know.

I could speculate at a different time, though.

 

[juvenissun]

I think that it's time you strongly considered, with as open a mind as you can manage, that evolution might actually have something to it and that your reluctance to accept it is not grounded in anything but your own fears.

If we inherited the psychology of beasts, then where does the rest of our mind come from?

 

[Dannager]

If we inherited the psychology of beasts, then where does the rest of our mind come from?

I'm sure we'll find out eventually.

 

[juvenissun]

I'm sure we'll find out eventually.

Then this hypothesis is only half tuned and is not needed

 

[Scotishfury09]

Then this hypothesis is only half tuned and is not needed

Juvie, there's a difference between saying that everything we don't know must have come directly from God and saying that even though we don't have enough information to fully know something, we are confident that eventually we will.

If you think that anything we don't know must have come from God you also must think it's pointless to continue to do any more research.