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Featured Everything I see convinces me Emmanuel Macron is the antichrist

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by IfThePuzzleFits, Sep 24, 2017.

  1. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    jgr, what do you do with the 3 1/2 days - turning it into 3 1/2 years?

    1260 days + 3.5 days + 1256.5 days (called 42 months) = the seven years.
     
  2. jgr

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    Sorry Douggg, I don't quite follow.

    Time/times/halftime interpreted as 3.5 years.
    3.5 years = 1260 days
    1260 days =1260 years via day-year principle.
     
  3. Douggg

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    What I trying to show is why the 42 months does not equal exactly 1260 days - as far as how 42 month is used in Revelation. Not by what most people do, which is to convert the 42 months - 42 x 30 days/month = 1260 days.

    3.5 years is not an expression used anywhere in the bible. So that term 3.5 years should not be used as a basis. If a person tries to use 3.5 years to relate all the timeframes to - they are going to come to the wrong conclusions, and not really understand why three different time expressions are used.

    I would suggest to get in the habit of saying the first half or second half of the seven years instead of using the term 3.5 years.

    The natural tendency is to assume the 1260 days, the 42 months, the time, times, half times are all exact equivalents to each other, using standard conversion practice. But they are not. Because people don't ask themselves the question - why 42 months in Revelation 11:2 and in the very next verse 1260 days in Revelation 11:3 ? Why not just 42 months or 1260 days for both verses?

    There is a reason, which I have been trying to explain.

    In a linear chronology of events. The two witnesses testimony, then the time they lay dead in the streets, then the time the beast rules the earth without the two witnesses around - totals the 7 years.

    1260 days + 3.5 days + 1256.5 days (called 42 months) = the seven years.

    1260 days, then 3.5 days, then 1256.5 days (called 42 months) = the seven years

    Here's the same thing, but expressed all in days,

    1260 days + 3.5 days + 1256.5 days = 2520 days

    The point I am trying to show is that 42 months in Revelation 13 represents 1256.5 days, not 1260 days.
     
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  4. jgr

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    How long is time/times/dividing of time in Daniel 7:25?
     
  5. Douggg

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    It is not known for certain as far as the exact number of days. The time/times/dividing of a time can be a little more than 1260 days or a little less, but not exactly 1260 days.

    In Revelation 12:14, the time which Satan will have left, it is a little less than 1260 days.
     
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    Note that the papacy still formally exists today, and it never historically fulfilled the details regarding the Antichrist in the passages you list.

    For example, the papacy never fulfilled the "mark of the beast" (Revelation 13:16-17, Revelation 16:2), which will be a literal, physical mark which will be visible to people, so they can easily tell in every situation whether or not someone should be permitted to buy or sell (Revelation 13:17). The mark will also be visible because the original Greek of Revelation 13:16 shows the mark will be placed only "on" (epi), not inside, people's right hands or foreheads. Also, it will be placed on people probably by scarification. For in Revelation 13:16, one of the definitions of the original Greek word (charagma: G5480) translated as the "mark" is "a scratch or etching" (Strong's Greek Dictionary), and scarification is the scratching or etching (that is, the cutting) of the skin to leave a permanent mark. The reason people will be given the mark in Revelation 13:16, in the context of what was shown previously in Revelation 13:4,8,15, will be to serve as a visible indicator to other people they're loyal worshippers of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9) and of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) and his image (Revelation 13:4,8,15), just as some Luciferians today put a mark on themselves by scarification.

    The mark will consist of only the Antichrist's name "or" some representation of the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:17-18), meaning the mark will be the Antichrist's name for some people and a representation of the gematrial number of his name for other people. And the mark will be placed only on the right hand (probably on the palm) "or" on the forehead (Revelation 13:16), meaning it will be placed on the right hand of some people and on the forehead of other people.

    Those who refuse to receive the Antichrist's mark won't be allowed to buy or sell anything (Revelation 13:17), and they will be executed by being beheaded if they refuse to worship the Antichrist and his image (Revelation 13:15, Revelation 20:4). Christians must be willing to suffer this fate rather than agree to receive the Antichrist's mark or worship him or his image, for those people who agree to do these things, even if they're Christians, will suffer God's wrath in fire and brimstone forever (Revelation 14:9-13), while those Christians who refuse to do these things, even though they will be beheaded by the Antichrist, will subsequently be physically resurrected into immortality (along with the rest of the obedient Church of all times) at Jesus Christ's Second Coming (Revelation 20:4-6; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,52-58), immediately after the Tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31). And even before their resurrection, at the moment of their death their still-conscious souls will be brought into the presence of Jesus in heaven (cf. 2 Corinthians 5:8, Philippians 1:21,23, Revelation 6:9-10, Luke 23:43,46).

    In the future, when the world begins to worship the Antichrist as God (Revelation 13:8; 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36), some people could gladly be willing to have his name placed by scarification on their right palm, just as lovers in the past were sometimes known to have their loved ones' initials placed by scarification on their palm (compare also Isaiah 49:16, Jeremiah 48:37, Leviticus 19:28 and Leviticus 21:5). Other of the Antichrist's worshippers could gladly be willing to have his name placed by scarification on their forehead, thinking (mistakenly) that they're fulfilling the Christian idea of Revelation 22:4, which refers to the future point in time when Jesus will put God's name visibly on the forehead of obedient Christians (Revelation 3:12). The Antichrist's miracle-working False Prophet, who will be the one who will cause everyone to be marked with the Antichrist's mark (Revelation 13:16-18), could even convince people that he (the False Prophet) is Jesus himself returned (via reincarnation). But he won't say he's Christ, for he and the Antichrist will deny Jesus is the Christ, and deny Christ is in the flesh (1 John 2:22; 2 John 1:7).

    Instead of having the Antichrist's name engraved on their right hand or forehead, some of his worshippers will have the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:17c-18) engraved on their right hand or forehead. But because some people could refuse to have "666" placed on their body, in order to make a mark of 666 acceptable to all people, it could be disguised to look like something else in those cases where people demand something other than "666". For example, it could be disguised in some cases to look like "777", or "111", or "WWW", or "VVV", or "|| || ||", or "FFF". For the 6th letter of the ancient Hebrew alphabet (Vav) represents the number 6, but it looks like a "7", or a "1", and it's transliterated into English as either a "W" or a "V". Also, 2 thin vertical lines "||" represent the number 6 on many UPC codes. And the letter "F" has a numerical value of 6 in English gematria.

    In an awful coincidence (or maybe it's not just a coincidence), "FFF" also stands for an extremely powerful type of nuclear bomb: Fission-Fusion-Fission. Could this be the type of bomb which the 10 kings of the Antichrist's empire will employ to burn up the cities of the nations at the end of the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Revelation 17:12,16-17a, Revelation 16:19, Revelation 19:2,11)?

    The "WWW" which has been placed on many internet addresses, and the "|| || ||" which has been placed across many UPC codes on products (that is, they have a "||" at the beginning, middle and end of their UPC codes), are harbingers of when Lucifer will give the Antichrist ownership of everything on the earth (Revelation 13:2b; cf. Luke 4:7), and of the Antichrist placing his "brand" on everything, like how a rancher places his "brand" on all his cattle. For both "WWW" and "|| || ||" are disguised representations of the gematrial number of the Antichrist's name: 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18). But Revelation 13:16 isn't fulfilled by some internet addresses having a "WWW", nor by some products having "|| || ||" on their UPC codes. For Revelation 13:16 refers only to when people will be given the Antichrist's mark, on either their right hand or forehead.

    Those assigned to have the mark placed on their forehead (instead of on their right hand) (Revelation 13:16) could be an elite, illumined, cognoscenti class of Gnostic Luciferians who alone will have been given knowledge of the ultimate secrets of the Antichrist's Gnostic Luciferianism. The Antichrist will be both a Luciferian, a worshipper of Lucifer/Satan the dragon (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9), and a Gnostic, someone who denies Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3), and forbids marriage and the eating of meat (1 Timothy 4:1-3). The cream of his cognoscenti could be a faux 144,000, consisting of male virgins (as a counterfeit of Revelation 14:4) who have never eaten meat. If they receive on their forehead the mark of the Antichrist's name (instead of a representation of the number of his name) (Revelation 13:17), this will be as a counterfeit of YHWH's 144,000 in Revelation 14:1. But the Antichrist won't pretend he's YHWH, just as he won't pretend he's Christ. Instead, as a Gnostic, he will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). And his Gnostic denial that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3) will disqualify him (under his mistaken Gnostic doctrine) from being Christ.
     
  7. jgr

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    From the following, based on the OT lunar calendar, it is seen that a month is 30 days:

    Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
    Gen 7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
    Gen 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

    Thus a year is 30*12=360 days, 3.5 years is 1260 days, and 1260 days is 1260 years applying the prophetic day-year principle.
     
  8. Douggg

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    I am aware of the rationale. But the term 3.5 years is not used in the bible. 1260 days is in the bible in Revelation, but not in the Tanach.

    1260 days + in your view 42 months = the 7 years.

    Where does the 3 1/2 days that the two witnesses lay dead in the streets of Jerusalem fit ?
     
  9. yeshuaslavejeff

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    I think the puzzle doen't fit. Looks like several have already posted the things that show it can't be so.
     
  10. jgr

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    Note that the papacy completely historically fulfilled the details of antichrist in the passages I've cited.

    In 1798, the historic papacy received a wound as described in Revelation 13:3. The wound was healed, as described, permitting the continuation of today's papacy.

    The mark of the beast is associated with the second beast described in Revelation 13:11. This is not the first beast of Revelation 13:1, and is not the papacy. It is, however, closely associated with the first beast, i.e. papacy (Revelation 13:12), and its number of 666, that of the papacy's VICARIVS FILII DEI, confirms that association. Its identity is still indeterminate.

    Note that claimed literal interpretations of these passages, e.g. a literal mark of the beast, necessitate complete literality throughout, i.e. if the mark of the beast is literal, then the beast itself must be literal and not symbolic of e.g. Antichrist. I invite you to attempt to resolve your inconsistencies.

    The 144,000 are a symbolic representation of all of the faithful saints of the OT and NT, a product of the number 12 representing the 12 OT tribes, multiplied by the number 12 representing the 12 NT apostles, multiplied by 1000 representing a large number. This is in essence the Church in its fullness throughout all ages.
     
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  11. jgr

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    Parallel passages:

    Daniel 7:25
    And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

    Revelation 13:5
    And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

    time and times and the dividing of time = forty and two months
    3.5 years = 42 months
     
  12. Douggg

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    There is no 3.5 year period stated in the bible. You are trying to conform the time frames in the bible to something (3.5 years) that is not stated in the bible.

    The little horn in Daniel 7:25 will be persecuting the saints - first as the revealed man of sin (Day of the Lord begins) and then as the beast (the great tribulation, shortly following the beginning of the Day of the Lord).

    time, times, half times in Daniel 7:25 is the total of:

    1. the little horn as the revealed man of sin persecutes the saints (as the Day of the Lord begins)
    2. the little horn as the beast persecutes the saints during the great tribulation.

    The great tribulation fits within the Day of the Lord. The time, times, the dividing of time in Daniel 7:25 is slightly more than 1260 days. The Abomination of Desolation (image of the beast) is setup on day 1185, leaving 1335 days in the 7 years, that alone is more than 1260 days.

    End times arch villain:
    Becomes the little horn, then
    Becomes the prince who shall come, then
    Becomes the Antichrist, then
    Becomes the revealed man of sin, then
    Becomes the beast of Revelation

    The reformers were wrong about the papacy being the Antichrist - because the papacy doesn't qualify to be the King of Israel.

    The Rambam wrote commentary on the mashiach in his work Mishneh Torah, Laws Concerning Kings, Chapter XI on the mashiach that can be summarized as...

    He will be descended from the House of David.
    He will re-gather the children of Israel back to the land of Israel.
    He will fight the battles of God (in defending Israel)
    He will partake in rebuilding of the temple (Sanctuary).
    He will meditate on the Torah and occupy himself with the commandments.
    He will be the Messianic King of Israel during the messianic era.
     
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  13. jgr

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    What Scripture asserts that antichrist must qualify to be king of Israel?

    Any non-Scriptural source is illegitimate as a prophetic authority.

    Acts 13:27
    For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
     
  14. Jipsah

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    That's very interesting, except that by God's design, a year is 365.25 days long, no matter how long someone's calendar says it is.
     
  15. jgr

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    OT Jews used the 30 days/month lunar calendar.
     
  16. Douggg

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    The concept and definition of the term Christ itself with the Jewish concept of "the" messiah is that he becomes the King of Israel during the messianic age. Do you think the disciples were expecting the role of the messiah to be the Savior from their sins? No, they were expecting someone to become the King of Israel that God would send to them.

    John 12: 13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

    John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

    Modern Jews themselves are looking for someone to be the messiah. The Rambam summarizes their expectations.

    Christ, based upon messiah, based upon anointed, applying to kings and priests in the Tanach, means the promised Great King of Israel. There have only been three Kings over united Israel. Saul, David, Solomon. All three were anointed by a prophet - Saul and David by Samuel, Solomon by Nathan.

    Most likely the Antichrist will be anointed the King of Israel by the false prophet - although it doesn't say anything about the false prophet until Revelation 13. And in that Chapter, the person is no longer the Antichrist, but will have become the beast.


     
  17. jgr

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    I concur with your identification of Jewish messianic expectations. However, there is nothing in Scripture that associates or makes any connection between such expectations and antichrist. Using the Scripture that does describe antichrist, the Reformers' diagnosis and recognition of antichrist was both Scriptural and accurate. Their own experiences of life and death at the hands of the apostate church, and their 20/20 hindsight and insight into its historic prophetic evolution over the previous 1000 years, further confirmed that diagnosis and recognition.
     
  18. Jipsah

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    Then it was in error, wasn't it? They had to fudge it to get it to match God's year, didn't they?
     
  19. Bible2+

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    Note that it didn't, because, for example, the papacy never fulfilled the "image of the beast" (Revelation 13:15), which could be an android image of the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) which the Antichrist's False Prophet (of Revelation 13:11-16, Revelation 19:20) could cause to be made after the Antichrist receives a terrible head wound (Revelation 13:3,14b). For this injury could leave the Antichrist's facial and bodily appearance permanently marred, and could render him unable to speak clearly, like someone after a bad stroke, so the Antichrist won't want to appear or speak in public again.

    Did you ever see that movie "Dave"? It had a President who was in a coma, so his handlers found a regular guy who looked exactly like the President, and had him be a public stand-in for the President. He was able to speak just like the President did. It could be like that with the Antichrist's image. It could be the Antichrist's "Dave", his double, which appears and speaks (Revelation 13:15) before the world instead of his wounded self. But instead of letting people think the Antichrist's android image is the Antichrist himself, the False Prophet could tell people from the beginning the image isn't the Antichrist himself, but still fully represents him.

    In Revelation 13:15 the original Greek word translated as "life" or "breath" (pneuma: G4151) can mean "spirit" in the sense of consciousness (1 Corinthians 2:11a, Luke 1:47), so that the android could appear to have a spirit, to have consciousness. The way this could be achieved would be through the android having wireless connections to huge banks of neural network supercomputers running highly advanced artificial intelligence software. The False Prophet could claim the Antichrist's consciousness dwells within the android by means of the neural networks having been imprinted with the Antichrist's own brain patterns. But this could be a lie, in that the android won't actually have the Antichrist's consciousness, or any true consciousness, but will only appear to have consciousness, by its being able to pass even the most stringent Turing Test. This is a test whereby one speaks with a computer and can't tell whether or not it has consciousness, because its answers are the same as if it had consciousness.

    But the android's "consciousness" could appear far more advanced than any human's. For it could have access to huge databases containing every fact known to man, so that the android will appear omniscient. In this way, it could convince the world it's not just a machine, but a material incarnation, a machine avatar, of the true God, a literal "deus ex machina", a literal "God from a machine". And this machine "God" could boast not only of his mental powers, but also of his physical powers: his android body could be extremely strong. And he could boast of the "immortality" of his body, which could be made of titanium, covered with some practically everlasting flesh-like silicone. People could be completely awestruck by his (what they could call) "omniscient wisdom, his strength, his indestructibility". They could consider him more than worthy of worship by (in their words) "mere humanity, which is so mentally and physically limited, made out of mere flesh and blood, which is so weak and so mortal". The unsaved world will actually worship the Antichrist's image (Revelation 13:15), just as it will actually worship Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) and the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4,8, Revelation 12:9).

    The Antichrist's image could be placed standing in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of a future, 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem, so that the image will become the abomination of desolation (of Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31). And to make it easy for everyone in the world to see the Antichrist's image and worship it (Revelation 13:15), it could appear on every smartphone, tablet, laptop, PC, TV, GPS navigation system and electronic billboard at set times each day. And to make it possible for everyone to interact with it personally, it could appear as a lifelike computer-generated image on each individual's smartphone, speaking in and understanding each individual's language, conversing with each individual with personalized messages and responses devised by supercomputers running artificial intelligence and language software.

    And it could discuss with them even the most intimate details of their lives. For it could have access to huge databases compiled by the Antichrist's worldwide intelligence, law enforcement, economic and health agencies, databases containing all the facts about everyone: who their family and friends are, where they live and work, who their neighbors and coworkers are, how much they make, what cars and properties they own and use, where they go, where they shop, what they buy, where they eat out, what shows and videos they watch, what they read, what they say, what they post on the internet, what their health problems are, etc., so that the Antichrist's image could seem to know everything about everyone.

    And the worship of the image could be connected with a daily surveillance and subjugation of everyone. For the image's supercomputers could make his image automatically appear on everyone's smartphone at set times each day to be worshipped. And smartphones contain GPS chips which can be secretly pinged remotely to determine the exact location of the smartphones. So when the image appears on everyone's smartphone, the image's supercomputers could ping the GPS chip of everyone's smartphone and know exactly where everyone is.

    Also, smartphones contain cameras and microphones which can be remotely opened secretly to see and hear what's going on around the smartphones at any time. So when the Antichrist's image appears on everyone's smartphone, the image's supercomputers could open the cameras and microphones of everyone's smartphone to determine what everyone is doing and saying, and the image could then demand the individuals worship him as God, saying some set prayer of praise and adoration. And if any individual refuses, the image's supercomputers could detect his noncompliance, and notify the nearest police officers of his exact location, and order the officers to arrest him for blasphemy and treason. He could then be given a chance to be "reformed" (in a brainwashing prison, or through physical torture, if necessary), but if he proves recalcitrant he will be executed (Revelation 13:15) by being beheaded (Revelation 20:4).

    The beheading process itself could be made into a televised and webcasted spectacle, to serve not only as a dire warning to anyone thinking of refusing to worship the Antichrist's image, but also to serve as an amazingly horrific entertainment for the masses, like how the ancient Romans made it an entertainment for the masses to gather them into the Colosseum in Rome and let them watch Christians being thrown to lions and devoured alive.

    Huge beheading structures could be built, by which 20 "traitors" could be beheaded at one time by one fall of one blade. The "traitors" could be bound in a row along an upright "U"-shaped device with a track for a large guillotine blade, which could start out in a resting position at the top of one side. The blade could be so massive and so sharp that when it's released it will easily slice down through 10 necks on one side of the "U" and continue by its own momentum up the other side of the "U", shearing off another 10 heads. This could happen so quickly it will appear as if all 20 heads are struck off almost in unison, followed immediately by 20 geysers of blood rushing out in unison for all the Antichrist's "faithful" to gawk at and cheer over in the comfort of their own homes before their televisions and computers.

    Also, immediately after the show, at the site where it took place, teams of surgeons could rush in to "harvest" all the fresh organs and other body parts from the beheaded bodies to be used for transplants (beheading being the best way for a body to die if you want to harvest its parts). What's left of the bodies could then be stuffed in shipping containers, which, once full, could be painted black and stacked like stones into a gigantic "Black Pyramid of Death", which could eventually reach some 30 stories high and contain tens of millions of bodies. A huge plaque could be erected in front of the Pyramid which will read: "This is a monument to the shame of YHWH, who created everything to die". (Of course, the truth is He didn't, for He created Adam and Eve immortal; it wasn't until they sinned that they became mortal: Genesis 2:17. And YHWH will restore immortality to Christians through Jesus Christ: Romans 6:23. Also, any such plaque would be hypocritical, for it will be the Antichrist who will have murdered the people entombed in the Pyramid, not YHWH. And so it will actually be a monument to how those who hate YHWH and his wisdom, love death: Proverbs 8:36b.)

    Regarding the worship of the Antichrist's image, to help foster a group dynamic, every neighborhood and village in the world could be helped to create a group worship center where everyone in that neighborhood or village will have to gather together at a set time each evening to bow down and prostrate himself or herself before a life-size, lifelike image of the Antichrist, which could be a computer-generated, animated, holographic or widescreen 3D HDTV image of him clothed in beautiful golden robes and standing majestically before them (or sitting on a magnificent golden throne), and speaking computer-generated customized messages to them as a group.

    This worship could be accompanied by the most beautiful symphonic music (cf. Daniel 3:5), or whatever is the most beautiful music to the local people, to help them (in the words of the Antichrist's propaganda machine) "Be uplifted into the true spirit of praise and worship of our Great Lord and Master. Praised be His Majestic Name forever and ever!", etc. And what with the wonderful music, and all their fellow worshippers around them, and customized messages of encouragement spoken in a deep, soothing voice by a life-size, holographic or 3D HDTV image of the Antichrist to certain members of each "worship group", some people in each group could really get into the evening worship sessions, and even (in their words) "Truly feel the Living Presence of our loving God among us, loving us so tenderly, so personally! Oh, how I love Him! He is So Great!"

    For example, as a worshipper named Mary, a housewife with 2 little children, is bowing down before the image of the Antichrist, he could speak forth to her: "Mary! Mary! My beloved handmaid! You are so precious to me, my love. You so faithfully take care of dear little Johnnie and Michelle, whom I have entrusted to you, that you might raise them up to become My servants and faithful worshippers, just as you are. How I love thee, my Mary. How I cherish thee, my precious dove!". And poor Mary could begin to cry with happiness over her dear Lord's kind words to her, not realizing they're merely the concoction of an artificial-intelligence program running in a neural network supercomputer down in the basement of some government building.

    Also, the world's worship of the Antichrist's image (Revelation 13:15), no matter how blissful it may become for some people, and the world's worship of the Antichrist and Lucifer (Satan) the dragon (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9), will last for less than 4 years (Revelation 13:5, Daniel 12:11-12) before Jesus Christ returns from heaven and completely defeats the Antichrist and Lucifer, and the Antichrist's False Prophet (Revelation 19:20 to 20:3), and Jesus then sets up His own, 1,000-year physical kingdom on the earth with the physically resurrected Church (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29).
     
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    It comes AFTER Doug. Rev. 12:1-6 is pretty much the Story of Israel birthing Jesus, Satan via Herod trying to kill the baby, who is then sacrificed and ascends to the throne, then the Woman, Israel Flees to be protected by God for 1260 Days. Then the Actual Prophecy is Given. So General STORY, then the Actual Prophecy is told from Rev. 12:7-17.

    Michael casts Satan out of Heaven in verse 7..........then we get this below............
    13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

    14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle (God helped her), that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and
    half a time (1260 DAYS),
    from the face of the serpent.

    Again you are dodging THE FACTS...when he verse says THE THIRD WOE COMETH QUCKLY, its speaking about the Seventh Trumpet that Sounds. You thinking Revelation is in SEQUENCE handicaps you to bad conclusions.

    After Rev. ch. 11 comes Rev. ch. 15 and 16, not Rev. ch. 12 which is a Midway Point ch.

    Rev. 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

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    Rev. 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

    7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.

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    Rev. 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

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    Rev. 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

    Its the exact SAME SEQUENCE....The Seventh Seal IS the Seven Trumpets....the Seventh Trumpet IS THE Seven Vials. How do you miss this?

    That means the SEVENTH TRUMPET is the THIRD WOE and the SEVEN VIALS is the THIRD WOE.

    Its right before your face. God is SYMMETRICAL !!

    The 5th Trumpet is the 1st WOE.....The 6th Trumpet is the 2nd WOE......And since the Seventh Trumpet is the SEVEN VIALS, all Seven Vials are the THIRD WOE. And it is called a WOE...It says the 2nd Woe is PASSED and the 3rd WOE comes quickly then the 7th Trumpet sounds. The Seventh Trumpet is the SEVEN VIALS, just like the Seventh Seal is the Seven Trumpets. God is symmetrical, but you will not accept it. Now you explain to me why the Seventh Seal being the Seven Trumpets is different from the Seventh Trumpet being the Seven Vials.
     
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