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Featured Everything I see convinces me Emmanuel Macron is the antichrist

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by IfThePuzzleFits, Sep 24, 2017.

  1. Bible2+

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    Note that there can be a future, false Jewish Messiah without him having to be the Antichrist.

    For in Daniel 9:26 the original Hebrew word (H3772) translated as "cut off" can refer to when a peace treaty/covenant is "made" (Genesis 21:27). The 1st century AD fulfillment of Daniel 9:26a was at the Crucifixion, when the true Messiah, Jesus, made the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 9:15-17). But a future fulfillment of Daniel 9:26a will be when the Antichrist makes a peace treaty, which will be a fulfillment of the covenant in Daniel 9:27 and the league in Daniel 11:23, with a future, ultra-Orthodox Jewish false "Messiah" in Jerusalem, after he and his followers are militarily defeated by the Antichrist (Daniel 11:22-23). So this future fulfillment of Daniel 9:26a can refer to this false Messiah being "cut off" in the sense of being "covenanted", peace-treatied.

    This treaty will allow this false "Messiah" and his followers to keep a 3rd Jewish temple they will have built on Jerusalem's Temple Mount (after they or great earthquakes have destroyed the Muslim structures there), and to (mistakenly) continue to perform the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices in front of the temple for at least 7 years (Daniel 9:27a) so long as they give up the outer court of the temple (Revelation 11:2a) to the Muslims so they can rebuild the (by that time destroyed) Al Aqsa Mosque on the southern end of the Temple Mount and resume worship there. After "cutting" this treaty (Daniel 9:26a) the future Antichrist could appear before the "many" (Daniel 9:27) nations represented at the U.N. General Assembly and "confirm" (Daniel 9:27) that for at least 7 years he will keep this treaty with the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem, using this as purported proof to the world that he's (in his words) "a man of peace, and no Hitler".

    In Daniel 9:27, "he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" refers to when, only some 3.5 years after making the peace treaty of Daniel 9:26a,27a and Daniel 11:23a, the future Antichrist will break the treaty, attack the 3rd temple, stop the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices, place the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the temple (Daniel 9:27b, Daniel 11:31, Matthew 24:15), and then sit himself (at least one time) in the temple and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). Thus could begin the Antichrist's literal, 3.5-year Luciferian (Satanic) worldwide reign of terror (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9; 2 Thessalonians 2:9).

    At the very end of the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, the Antichrist (Daniel 11:45) and the world's armies will pillage Jerusalem right before Jesus Christ's Second Coming (Zechariah 14:2-21). And at the Second Coming there will be tremendous earth changes in the vicinity of Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:4-5). These events could result in all of Jerusalem's structures, including the 3rd temple and the Wailing Wall (also called the Western Wall), being broken down so not one stone will be left on another (Luke 19:44, Matthew 24:2). Then the returned Jesus (Zechariah 14:4, Acts 1:11-12) will rebuild Jerusalem and make it the capital of the world (Zechariah 14:8-19, Micah 4:1-4). He will also build a 4th temple there (Zechariah 14:20-21, Zechariah 6:12-13). It will serve a similar function for the Church during the future Millennium (of Revelation 20:4-6) as the 2nd temple served for the Church in the 1st century AD (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17), and as the temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19) serves for those in heaven (Revelation 7:15).
     
  2. mark kennedy

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    I can't imagine a French President being the Antichrist, German maybe but not French. The Antichrist is supposed to have no desire for women, that doesn't sound like him. Unless there is some indication he has an obsession with being God I think your chasing ghosts in the fog.
     
  3. Revealing Times

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    Which they don't, that's just you Doug, your theory. The bible doesn't say they embrace him, it says just the opposite, that the Jews REPENT before the Day of the Lord. For some reason you so want the Jews to except the Anti-Christ as their savior, but that goes against what the scriptures say.

    John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

    This is about the 70 AD event, not the end times. The Jewish leaders/Pharisees tried to bring forth a Messiah before Rome sacked them in 70 AD. They understood Rome was the Fourth Beast and was looking for the Little Horn, thus looking for the "COMING MESSIAH" to save them from the Little Horn. That is what Jesus was speaking about, not Israel accepting an Anti-Christ as their Messiah in the end times. They sign a Peace Treaty/Security Deal (Like NATO) with this man, (covenant means Agreement). They don't accept this man as their Messiah. They accept Jesus as their Messiah, scriptures TELL US THAT.

    Malachi 4:5-6, Zechariah 12:10 and Zechariah 13:1.

    Why do you think they FLEE into the Wilderness when he conquers Jerusalem? BETTER YET, why would he have to Conquer Jerusalem, if he is accepted as their "MESSIAH"?

    It doesn't add up.
     
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  4. jgr

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    And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

    "They" must include Judas and the Jewish leaders responsible for Christ's death.

    They will repent and be saved.

    We can therefore expect to see Judas and the Jewish leaders responsible for Christ's death in heaven.
     
  5. High Fidelity

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    Isn't every world leader we dislike at some point conjured up by some hocus pocus theory to be the antichrist?
     
  6. Douggg

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    Judaism doesn't consider the messiah to be a "savior". To them is God is the only Savior and only in the sense of saving them from physical destruction from their enemies.

    The 70 shmittah cycles are Jewish, not 69 Jewish and 1 Roman. The for 7 years, which the Mt. Sinai covenant will be confirmed is in Deuteronomy 31:9-13, which the person who becomes the Antichrist will do, before 3 years 3 months (thereabouts) later he betrays the Jewish people and the covenant... beginning the Day of the Lord.

    The Jews will embrace Jesus during the Day of the Lord, before Jesus returns, which they will welcome him, saying "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord."
     
  7. Douggg

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    The peace treaty claim comes from the Dallas Theological Seminary. There is no mention of peace being the basis for the covenant in Daniel 9:27.
     
  8. Douggg

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    Messiah and Christ are the same thing.

    John 4:25
    The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

    The true messiah, Christ is Jesus. The rightful King of Israel.

    John 14:13Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

    The false Jewish messiah is another phrase for the Antichrist - messiah and christ are synonymous.
     
  9. Douggg

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    The Jews will flee into the wilderness when the abomination of desolation, the image of the beast is placed in the temple. On day 1185 of the 7 years.

    The military of the beast does not occupy Jerusalem until the person becomes beast.

    Day 1185 is 75 days before the two witnesses are killed on day 1260.

    Before the person becomes the beast, he as the Antichrist, King of Israel, betrays the Jews and the Mt. Sinai covenant, by going into the temple, sitting claiming to be God.

    We don't have enough information to know what day on the 7 year timeline of when that happens - only that it must be before day 1185.

    little horn, then becomes
    the prince who shall come, then
    is anointed the King of Israel, confirms the covenant day 1, then
    commits the transgression of desolation, revealing himself as the man of sin ,
    the Day of the Lord begins,
    then the person is killed for the act, and brought back to life as the beast, then
    the image of the beast made and placed in the temple - day 1185 - the great tribulation begins.

    The Jews begin to flee. The beast's army moves in to occupy Jerusalem and Israel.
     
  10. Revealing Times

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    Which is why you can not follow the reactionary types, they see ISIS/Radical Islam gaining a foothold in the middle east and the Anti-Christ is a Muslim, they for years have said hes a Pope or the Pope is the False Prophet. Of course none f this is true, the bible tells us where he is born at and where he arises from, but not who he is per se. Hes born in Greece, so says the scriptures. Who he is doesn't really matter to me because I will not be here, the Rapture happens before he is allowed to come forth.
     
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    That's right (John 1:41).

    But note that nothing in the Bible says or requires that the future Antichrist will ever claim to be the Messiah/Christ. For any person is an antichrist who denies Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ (1 John 2:22), or who denies Jesus is the human/divine Son of God (1 John 2:22b), or who denies Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7). And the spirit of antichrist which will animate the future Antichrist has been working since the 1st century AD (1 John 4:3; 2 Thessalonians 2:7a), animating many antichrists since that time (2 John 1:7).

    Also, Christians need to be aware that during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:4-18), even though the world will consciously and openly worship Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) and the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9), this won't require the Antichrist's one-world religion will say Jesus is evil, or will turn the world against Jesus. For almost the entire world reveres Jesus, at least as being a good man. The Antichrist could confirm this basic world belief, but simply (in his words) "clarify" that while Jesus is indeed a good man, he isn't the Christ or the Son of God (1 John 2:22). No doubt the Antichrist will also deny Jesus suffered and died on the Cross for our sins, as this, just as believing Jesus is the Christ and the Son of God (John 20:31, John 3:36), is one of the core beliefs of the Gospel by which people become saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

    So what the Antichrist could do is keep the idea of a good Jesus, but strip it of everything by which Jesus saves people from hell. And this wouldn't require the Antichrist deny Jesus' second coming. Indeed, the Antichrist and his False Prophet (of Revelation 19:20) could even try to employ to their own ends the Biblical prophecy of Jesus' second coming, as well as the Muslim prophecy which says the miracle-working prophet Jesus will return bodily from heaven in the last days to bring the whole earth into the worship of the true God. For the False Prophet could claim he is Jesus returned (via reincarnation). And he could perform amazing miracles (Revelation 13:13) as purported proof of his claim (cf. John 3:2). This is one reason why it's important to know when and how the real Jesus' Second Coming will occur (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:3-21).

    Once the False Prophet by his amazing miracles has brought the world under his spell (Revelation 13:13-18, Revelation 19:20), including many Muslims and Christians who may not care much for scriptural dogma, but could go wild over his signs and wonders, he could begin to (in his words) "restore to the world the real message which was spoken by me (Jesus) at my first coming, and by the great prophet Mohammed, but which message became corrupted by power-hungry men when they copied and changed the early manuscripts of the Bible and the Koran". He could then gradually initiate the world into the Antichrist's Gnostic Luciferianism (1 John 4:3, Revelation 13:4-6), a religion which could have existed since ancient times in some "mystery" cults, and still exists today in the highest degree of initiation of a worldwide secret society. The False Prophet could present his miraculously calling fire down from heaven (Revelation 13:13) as purported proof that Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist are the true God (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9), in an inversion of how back in Old Testament times, the prophet Elijah miraculously called fire down from heaven to prove YHWH is the true God (1 Kings 18:37-39).

    The person whom the Antichrist will revile is YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36), whom many people mistakenly think of as being (in their words) "the God of only the Old Testament, that cruel and hateful God who commanded people to commit genocide and kill babies (1 Samuel 15:3), whereas Jesus came and preached love for everyone (Matthew 5:44)". The truth is Jesus Christ confirmed the God of the Old Testament, YHWH (Deuteronomy 6:4-5, Leviticus 19:18), is the same as the God of the New Testament (Mark 12:29-31), and that the Old Testament is true (Matthew 5:17-18, Luke 24:44-48). Jesus suffered and died for our sins in fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy from YHWH (Isaiah 53; 1 Peter 2:24). And He rose from the dead in fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy from YHWH (e.g. Psalms 16:10, Acts 2:31). Jesus died to establish the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28), which YHWH had foretold in the Old Testament (Jeremiah 31:31-34). And Jesus died to bring about the defeat of Satan (Hebrews 2:14), which YHWH had foretold from even the 1st book of the Old Testament (Genesis 3:15).

    Nonetheless, building on many people's misconceptions of YHWH as being (in their words) "the cruel God of the Old Testament", no doubt one of the Antichrist's chief blasphemies against YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36) will be that YHWH is an evil god. This is one of the ancient blasphemies of Gnosticism, another being the antichrist lie that Christ isn't in the flesh (2 John 1:7). The world will be deceived into completely rejecting YHWH, and worshipping Satan and the Antichrist instead (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9). But Satan might not be worshipped as "Satan", which almost everyone sees as a bad name (it means "Adversary"), but as "Lucifer" (Isaiah 14:12), which means "the morning star". The Antichrist could falsely say it's YHWH who is the true "Satan", the true "Adversary" of mankind. And he could claim even 2 Samuel 24:1 and 1 Chronicles 21:1 together prove this by showing it was the single entity of YHWH/Satan who moved David to number Israel. Of course, the truth is 2 Samuel 24:1 and 1 Chronicles 21:1 together simply mean YHWH used Satan to move David. YHWH elsewhere rebuked Satan (Zechariah 3:2), so they're in no way the same person.

    Because the Antichrist and his False Prophet (possibly masquerading as Jesus) will deny Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22), and will deny Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3), and because they will bring the unsaved world into the worship of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) instead (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9), they could falsely say (the non-mortal flesh) Lucifer is the Christ, that the new name of Christ (Revelation 3:12c) is "Lucifer Christ". For just as "Lucifer" means "the morning star", so Christ is the morning star (Revelation 22:16b). Also, Christ identified himself with the serpent (John 3:14), and Lucifer is the serpent (Revelation 12:9). Also, Christ said "Ye are gods" (John 10:34), and it was the serpent who said "ye shall be as gods" (Genesis 3:5).

    But the truth is Lucifer fell from his office of morning star (Isaiah 14:12) and became Satan (cf. Luke 10:18). Jesus Christ has taken over the office of morning star (Revelation 22:16). And Jesus Christ identified Himself only with the brass serpent on the pole in Numbers 21:8-9 (John 3:14), which typified Jesus Christ's crucifixion for our sins (John 19:16, Matthew 26:28). And in John 10:34, Jesus Christ (John 20:31) was quoting YHWH in Psalms 82:6-7, which shows that even though humans have knowledge of good and evil as gods do (Genesis 3:22), they will still die like humans (Psalms 82:7), contradicting the serpent's lie (Genesis 3:4). Nonetheless, the Antichrist could falsely say Lucifer is the Christ and the true and beneficent God of mankind, and that the False Prophet is the miracle-working prophet Jesus (cf. John 3:2, Acts 3:22-24), returned to point the world to the true Christ/God. The Antichrist could falsely say he (the Antichrist) is the human/divine "Son" of Lucifer, who must be worshipped as God along with Lucifer (Revelation 13:4,8). This would be similar to how Biblical Christians rightly worship the human/divine Jesus Christ (John 1:1,14) as YHWH God (the Son) along with YHWH God the Father (John 20:28, Hebrews 1:8).

    Near the end of the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, unclean spirits like frogs will come out of the mouths of Lucifer, the Antichrist and the False Prophet (Revelation 16:13). And these unclean spirits like frogs will go forth and perform amazing miracles to convince the world's armies to gather together at Armageddon (Har Megiddo: Mount Megiddo in northern Israel) (Revelation 16:16) in an attempt to fight and defeat YHWH Himself (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19). After gathering together at Armageddon, the armies will travel south and pillage Jerusalem, right before the real Jesus (who is YHWH: John 10:30) returns from heaven and defeats them completely (Zechariah 14:2-21, Revelation 19:20 to 20:3).

    So the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will be a total shock to the world. The world will have been expecting to wage war against some evil Old Testament god named "YHWH" with the help of the good Jesus (played by the False Prophet) and with the help of the true and beneficent Christ/God (played by Lucifer) and with the help of the good Son of God (played by the Antichrist) and with the help of the good angels of God (played by the fallen angels of Lucifer: Revelation 12:9). But then instead of some evil god appearing in the sky, the world could see the glorious sign of the Cross (cf. Matthew 24:30), the symbol of the good YHWH suffering and dying for our sins (Acts 20:28b). And then the world will see the glorious appearance of the real Jesus, sitting on a white horse descending from the sky (Revelation 19:11-21).

    When the people of the world realize at that moment how thoroughly they have been duped, and see in the sky the huge angelic armies (2 Thessalonians 1:7, Matthew 25:31) of the true Jesus, the true Christ, the true Son of God, and the good YHWH, who are all the one and the same Jesus Christ of Nazareth, they could utterly mourn and wail for themselves (Matthew 24:30, Revelation 1:7), knowing in their spirits that Jesus has returned in wrath to destroy most of them for their unrepentant sins (2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, Revelation 19:15-21).
     
  12. Revealing Times

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    Why do you "worry or put forth" what Jews think, WHO CARES !! That is why they have to REPENT !! They are Wrong. You discussing what Jews think now is akin to telling me they do not think Jesus is their Messiah !! I know that, but who cares, they REPENT, so that means their THINKING CHANGES, just like your thinking and mine changed after we Repented. So you telling me their "Thinking or their traditions" doesn't really mean anything, because I am speaking about their thinking AFTER they Repent.

    I am not listening to Mr. Jonathon Chan, the 70 Week Decree is a punishment on Israel, the last week must bring them unto repentance, it is decreed that way. The Covenant has nothing to do with Mt. Sinai or whatever you are speaking of, the COVENANT is nothing but an AGREEMENT between a Gentile Leader, Arabs and Israel, you insisting it has to be something of God just because the Hebrew Word Covenant is used is just not factual. It simply means AGREEMENT.

    Israel NEVER ACCEPTS the Anti-Christ as their Messiah Doug, that's just you saying that, show me in the bible where they accept the Anti-Christ as their Messiah, its just your imagination my friend, you have got this in your mind and you can not get shut of it.

    The Bible says they repent BEFORE the Day of the Lord.

    Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet (Two-Witnesses) before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

    Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

    Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness. 2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.

    So what is THAT DAY? Well of course it is the DAY that Israel REPENTS, God is not going to pour His Spirit upon the House of David until they repent, then and ONLY THEN, can the Fountain (Blood of Jesus Christ) be opened unto the house of David. Zechariah 12 and 13 happen BEFORE Zechariah ch. 14 of course. Now lets look at ch. 14.

    Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

    So what is this above? This is the Opening of the SEALS, this is the Ant-Christ and his Nations Conquering Jerusalem for 42 Months. Jerusalem is TAKEN/Conquered. This is Revelation ch. 6. and goes all the way (42 Months) unto the Seventh Vial !!


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    Zechariah 14:3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations (Rev. 16:9), as when he fought in the day of battle. 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west (Earthquake), and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

    So The top 2 verses are Jerusalem being Conquered by the Anti-Christ which makes him the last BEAST for 42 Months. Then verse 3 and 4 are part of the SEVEN VIALS of Revelation. SEE BELOW.

    Rev. 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake (Zech. 14:4 Above), such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

    19 And the great city was divided into three parts (Mt. of Olives SPLIT See Zech. 14:4), and the cities of the nations fell {SEE Zech. 14:3 ABOVE} and great Babylon (World Governments) came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

    Israel REPENTS before the Day of the Lord, NOT AFTER. Malachi 4:5-6 says that. They Flee the EXACT DAY that he Conquers Jerusalem, he rules 42 Months, they flee for 1260 days....The exact same time frame. They Repent BEFORE the Day of the Lord which starts with the Seven Seals being opened. That is why the Two-Witnesses time-frame is 1260 Days BUT....They die before the SEVEN VIALS come forth, which tells you they show up to start preaching to the Jewish peoples BEFORE the Anti-Christ comes forth (SIMPLE MATH). That is why their 1260 Days do not match up with the BEASTS 42 Months. Malachi 4:5-6 tells us ELIJAH is coming BEFORE the Day of the Lord.

    I am showing VIA SCRIPTURES, Israel repents before the Day of the Lord, which starts when the very first Seal is opened, see Zechariah 14:1-2, what does it say?

    Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle (Anti-Christ Rev. 6 FIRST SEAL/Rev. 13 Sea Beast ARISES); and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

    So what is this above? This is the Opening of the SEALS, this is the Ant-Christ and his Nations Conquering Jerusalem for 42 Months. Jerusalem is TAKEN/Conquered. This is Revelation ch. 6. and goes all the way (42 Months) unto the Seventh Vial !!

    REPEATED FOR A REASON......The Day of the Lord is the very FIRST SEAL !! It says so ABOVE.
     
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    I have asked you nicely not to attribute something to me like this, I have been preaching 30 years and I have no clue of what you are speaking about brother. And I understand you might THINK THAT, but its not the case so please do not link me with someone I do not know.

    As per the PEACE I have proven this time and again.

    Dan. 9:27 And he shall confirm(FORCE) the covenant(AGREEMENT) with many for one week: (Final Seven Years) and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    This whole verse above, when translated properly matches the IMAGE OF THE BEAST that the False Prophet puts forth in Rev. ch. 13, and I can show it if needed (SEE BOTTOM). So you have an AGREEMENT for a SEVEN YEAR PERIOD with MANY !! What kind of Agreements do men make Doug? Well from my experience its usually a TREATY/PEACE Agreement of sorts, or a Trade Deal.

    In the middle of the week he causes the OBLATION (Honoring of Jesus as God to Cease). He will place an IMAGE in a WING (Overspreading) of the Temple. Desolate means he SHOCKS or STUNS the Jewish Peoples. I will show this at the bottom !!

    So he makes an AGREEMENT, then he RENEGES on it in the Middle of the Week (THINK 42 MONTHS is the middle of the Week). So he forces an agreement with MANY then RENEGES and you do not think this was a Peace/Security deal even though Scriptures point to it being JUST THAT. I will prove this is a PEACE DEAL/SECURITY DEAL. See Below.

    Dan. 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes (Jesus); but he shall be broken without hand. (By the Holy Spirit)

    So he Forces a DEAL/AGREEMENT with MANY in Dan. 9:27.....Then we see in Dan. 8 he DESTROYS MANY via PEACE/Means Security. Does this match Revelation ch. 6? The Seals? Of course it does.

    The First seal is the Anti-Christ coming forth and then the SECOND SEAL is what?

    Rev. 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red (Seal two): and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

    There is a reason this Red Horse TAKES PEACE instead of brings War....that is because God wants us to know he comes to power VIA PEACE then TAKES THAT PEACE AWAY !!!

    It most assuredly is a PEACE/SECURITY Deal. AS PROMISED BELOW: Dan. 9:27 Explained.

    Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    1.) Confirm = gabar 1396 (Hebrew Word) meaning to be strong, to prevail or to act insolently.

    2.) Oblation = minchah 4503 (Hebrew) A tribute or an offering.

    3.) Overspreading = kanaph 3671 (Hebrew) An edge, a Wing or Quarter (of a building) a pinnacle.

    4.) Abominations = shiqquwts 8251 (Hebrew) Meaning, Disgusting, Filthy, Idolatrous or AN IDOL.

    5.) Desolate = shamem 8074 (Hebrew) Meaning to Stun, Grow Numb, to Stupefy, or to Devastate.

    So looking at these original Hebrew word Translations, what is this verse (Daniel 9:27) really telling us ? Does it match up with other end time events ? Lets delve into it !! Basically this is what I get from verse 27. Daniel 9:27 The Anti-Christ will FORCE and Agreement (Covenant means agreement) on Israel and others, probably the Arabs/Muslims. He does so Insolently, his agenda Prevails, he forces this deal. Then after 3 1/2 years he stops allowing the Oblation or Tribute, (I think to Jesus, who Israel accepts as their Messiah before the Day of the Lord as it says in Malachi 4:5-6) by Israel unto their God. The False Prophet places an IDOL in a Wing or a pinnacle of the TEMPLE and demands all people to worship this IDOL or else they must die. THIS STUNS/SHOCKS OR DEVASTATES Israel, then they heed Jesus' words, they Flee unto the Wilderness where they are protected by God for 1260 Days, because Elijah turned them back to the Messiah (Zechariah 12:10) before the Day of the Lord.

    Daniel 9:27 shorter version........The Anti-Christ will force a Peace Deal on Israel, in the Middle of this deal he will renege on his deal, and order the False Prophet to place an Image of the Beast (IDOL) in the Temple, and demand all mankind to worship this Image. This Stuns Israel, devastates them.

    Do further scriptures agree with this account ?

    Revelation 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

    15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

    IT MATCHES !!
     
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  14. Revealing Times

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    It will more than likely be on Day 1260 since Israel Flees for 1260 Days and there is 2520 Days in the Week. (Seven Year Period...He breaks the Agreements in the MIDDLE of he Week, the becomes a BEAST for 42 Months/1260 Days.)

    None of that matches up. The Beast is around for 42 Months (1260 Days) and the Two-Witnesses die at the Seventh Trumpet or just after the Second Woe, thus the coming Third Woe or Seventh Trumpet brings in the LAST Seven Vial of Gods Plagues.

    The time difference between when they show up and when the Anti-Christ shows up can not be very long. Because when they Die and the BEAST Dies is only a short time difference........The SEVEN VIALS is the only difference. So the Two Witnesses are not killed on day 1260. They last all the way unto the 2nd woe. The DAY OF THE LORD starts on day 1260 of the Week (Middle of the Week). So the Two-witnesses will Die just before the Seven Vials come forth not on day 1260, that is the FIRST SEAL being opened.

    No he is not the King of Israel, you can keep repeating it, but its nowhere in SCRIPTURES. He is a GENTILE KING that makes a PEACE DEAL WITH Many just like Dan. ch. 8 says.

    You are confusing this day 1185 with something else. The Anti-Christ comes forth in the MIDDLE OF THE WEEK.........That is day 1260.

    That is nowhere in scriptures brother. The first part is right, but Israel NEVER ACCEPTS HIM.

    God Bless my brother. Israel is not going to accept the Anti-Christ. Show it to me in scriptures !!
     
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  15. Douggg

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    RT, nothing personal was intended in my comment. The notion that the covenant in Daniel 9 is a peace treaty is something that has been instilled in many many Christians because it has been repeated over and over.

    The idea comes from Daniel 8 that the little horn will destroy many by peace. What them who hold the peace treaty notion don't consider is that the messianic age is held by Jews as being a time of peace and safety in the world. And that they will be thinking they have entered the messianic age.
    I don't know how many times I have to go through this until it sinks in, but....

    The two witnesses are killed on day 1260. Then rise on day 1263.5. Leaving 1256.5 days in the 2520 day 7 years. That is a little less than 1260 days, for which the bible uses the term 42 months because it is not exactly 1260 days.

    The beast rules the 42 months without being hampered by the two witnesses who have ascended to heaven.

    The person must become the beast before the 7th trumpet sounds because, as the beast, he kills the two witnesses before the 7th trumpet sounds.
     
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    RT, Israel, the Jews are not going to accept the person after he is revealed as the man of sin and afterwards as he has become the beast.

    But before he is revealed as the man of sin, the Jews will have embraced him thinking he is their messiah and anointed the King of Israel - his role as the "Antichrist".

    What you are not getting is that the person will no longer be the Antichrist (illegitimate King of Israel) after he commits the transgression of desolation act in 2Thessalonians2:3.

    The person is the Antichrist only for the first three years three months of the seven years.

    My suggestion is to alter your thinking of the person instead of "Antichrist" as a the broad term for the person - instead think of the person as the arch villain of the end times.

    He goes through different roles. Being the Antichrist is just one of them.
     
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  17. Douggg

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    "Get out of the middle of the street!" a father yells from his porch at his kids who are playing in the street. Does he mean get off the exact centerline of the 30 ft wide road?

    No. The midst of the week in Daniel 9:27 does not mean exactly day 1260 - but in the middle part of the week.

    The only way to determines approximately when the Day of the Lord begins is to work with the exact days given in the scriptures for other events.

    The person when he commits the act of sitting in the temple, claiming to being God, will be killed for the act. And brought back to life as the beast. After which, the image of the beast is made and placed in the temple - the abomination of desolation.

    From Daniel 12:12, after the abomination of desolation is setup, 1335 days later - Jesus returns. Blessed are those who remain faithful until that day.

    So day 2520, the last day of the seven years when Jesus returns, 1335 days before then is day 1185 when the image of the beast will be placed in the temple.

    So the person revealing himself as the man of sin, being killed and brought back to life as the beast - has to happen before day 1185.
     
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    No it doesn't match because AntiChrist doesn't mean just against Jesus being the rightful King of Israel. It means instead of and against Jesus being the rightful King of Israel.
     
  19. Douggg

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    I am explaining to you what the actions are that the Jews are going to take and why. I am not saying that they are right to do so.
     
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    I am not parroting Jonathan Cahn. I don't listen to him.

    What covenant is Daniel referring to in his prayer before being visited by Gabriel? If Daniel is praying about the Mt. Sinai covenant and Gabriel is responding to his prayers on behalf of God, then why would you not think "the" covenant is not the same Mt. Sinai covenant?

    No mention of peace as the basis for the covenant. Only that it is confirmed for 7 years - which is in the bible as a requirement made by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 regarding the Mt. Sinai covenant.
     
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