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This modern warming we are experiencing is natural and before this one there was the Medieval warm period. And before that the Holocene Maximum. And before that the Roman warm period. No coal-fired power plants no cars , just natural cycles. So why spend billions of dollars on something that is going to have about 20 years left on the cycle then back to normal.
 
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This modern warming we are experiencing is natural and before this one there was the Medieval warm period.

No, this one is uniquely rapid, caused by a rapid increase in CO2 emissions from human activity. That's no longer deniable. Natural forcings are currently favoring cooling conditions, but instead we are seeing record high global temperatures.

We're into a profound sunspot minimum, which should be cooling off the planet. Instead, it's merely slowing the warming trend a little. Would you like to see the data?
 
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Still you can't deny that this is one of many warming periods we have had.

They were just more gradual, and related to natural forcings, not human activity.


They all had a rapid onset too.

No, that's wrong. And of course, there's never been a warming period that happened in spite of natural conditions favoring cooling, until now.
 
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Don't you see it we are experiencing a predictable warming trend that will be gone soon.

The high point of warming was in 2000. Ever since the temperature has stayed the same with some spikes up and down. There's no more warming, it has been the same since 2000. It is not going to climb up, 2.5 degrees is all the change we will see. Why we would be so alarmed is ridiculous.
 
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This modern warming we are experiencing is natural and before this one there was the Medieval warm period. And before that the Holocene Maximum. And before that the Roman warm period. No coal-fired power plants no cars , just natural cycles. So why spend billions of dollars on something that is going to have about 20 years left on the cycle then back to normal.
I think science over reaches in its' world view, time will tell if what you're suggesting turns out to be true. A lot of people will have egg on their face. We have fake news now, mistrust in the media. We'll have fake science then and be pessimistic towards much of science. Perhaps that would be a beneficial thing for extending the downfall of this civilization? Historical science does show that all previous civilization decline.

In my view I wouldn't dismiss global warming completely. CO2 may be part of the problem and only be a distraction from the bigger problem. Deforestation, over population with its' mega cities and their multiple square miles of structures with roads soaking up the heat. It can be less of a green house and more of a frying pan.

Basically you can persuade a good amount of the public about CO2 emissions especially with all it's tax grabbing solutions. What you can't ask people to do is change their money making and buying habits. That will lead to somewhere and it isn't utopia.
 
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The average world temperature is steadily increasing at a rate that is totally unprecedented in history. Certainly there are natural heating and cooling cycles. Climate scientists are not ignorant of them because they are the same people who discovered them and studied them. CO2 induced global warming is riding on top of that and to the scientific community is real and of pressing concern.
 
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No it's not steadily increasing its at 2.5 degrees and has been the same for 17years.

You have been taken in by misinformation. During that time period there was a slowdown in the rate of increase but it has never stopped increasing.
 
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Hey Greatcloud:

When was the last year there was an annual instrument temperature record low?

When was the last year there was an annual instrument temperature record high?

Why, if there has been "no growth in temperature trend globally since 2000", is there only 1 year before 2000 in the list of the top 10 years by instrument temperature record temperature, while the remaining nine are all from the 2000s and the 2010s?

If you're a fan of Dr John Christy, what do you make of this statement, made in May this year, from colleague and contributor and fellow UAH satellite data set researcher, Dr Roy Spencer:

John Christy and I are concerned that the Red Team approach, if applied to global warming, will simply be a review of the U.N. IPCC science on global warming. We are worried that it will only address the first two points (warming will continue, and it is mostly caused by CO2). Heck, even *I* believe we will continue to see modest warming, and that it might well be at least 50% due to CO2.

Source: Roy Spencer, PhD
Also, if you're interested in the satellite temperature record, what about the warming shown by the ocean and land instrument record? What level of warming has that shown?

Also, if you claim there's been no warming since the 2000s, how do you account for the following decade averages, based on satellite record of lower troposphere temperatures (measured from a 1981 to 2010 baseline):

1980s: -0.142166667 degrees below average
1990s: 0.00125 degrees above average
2000s: 0.10425 degrees above average
2010s: 0.216629213 degrees above average

Also, when was the last month that lower troposphere temperatures dipped below the 1981 to 2010 average?

Tell me, does this graph show no warming from 2000 onwards?

UAH_LT_1979_thru_May_2017_v6-1.jpg
 
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Yes we have global warming and we are experiencing a predictable warming trend. It is because of CO2 in the air. The warming is making the upward spikes more warm than usual and the lower spikes don't go down enough to be measured. It's the CO2 in the air but I don't see the temperature continuing to go up. There is an end to the warming trend that will be gone soon.
 
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All of the warming trends that have gone before have ended. So why not this one.

The Medieval warm period. The Holocene Maximum. The Roman warm period. Three others they were all 1500 years apart. They all had a end .
 
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This modern warming we are experiencing is natural and before this one there was the Medieval warm period. And before that the Holocene Maximum. And before that the Roman warm period. No coal-fired power plants no cars , just natural cycles. So why spend billions of dollars on something that is going to have about 20 years left on the cycle then back to normal.

Just in case you didn't get the memo: CO2 is a greenhouse gas and it has been known that it is for quite a long time already.

Now consider this graph:

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You may stick your head in the sand again, now.
 
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