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Eternal Conscious Hell Fire is completely Justified

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by createdtoworship, Mar 6, 2019.

do believe in a literal eternal hell fire?

  1. no it just means death

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  2. it means separation from God, not eternal hell fire.

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    17.2%
  3. it means what it says, eternal conscious hell fire.

    16 vote(s)
    55.2%
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    4. Pl. days of any one: a. = his life, his age Gn 6:3 (J), Dt 22:19, 29; 23:7 Jos 24:31() (D), Ju 2:7(), 18 1 S 25:28, etc.; Gn 5:4, 8, 11; 9:29; 11:32 (all P), Jb 7:1(), 6, 16; 8:9 ψ 39:5, 6; 90:9, 10, 12, 14; 103:15; כָּל־יְמֵי חַיֶּיךָ Gn 3:14, 17 (J), ψ 23:6, so Pr 31:12; יְמֵי שְׁנֵי חַיִּים 2 S 19:35 Gn 25:7; 47:8, 9 (all P); יְמֵי חַיָּיו Ec 5:17, 19; יְמֵי שָׁנָיו 6:3; יְמֵי שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ ψ 90:10; מִסְפַּר יְמֵי חַיֵּיהֶם Ec 2:3; מִסְפַּר יְמֵי חַיֵּי הֶבְלוֹ 6:12 the number of the days of his vain life, i.e. his empty, fleeting years; כָּל־הַיָּמִים אֲשֶׁר־הֵם חַיִּים עַל־פְּנֵי הָאֲדָמָה 1 K 8:40; יָמִים רַבִּים long life 1 K 3:11 = 2 Ch 1:11; בָּא בַּיָּמִים advanced in days = of advanced age Gn 18:11; 24:1 (both J), Jos 13:1() (JE), 23:1, 2 (D), 1 K 1:1; מִיָּמָיו 1 K 1:6 from his (earliest) days, so מִיָּמֶיךָ 1 S 25:28 (v. Dr), Jb 38:12; שְׂבַע יָמִים Jb 42:17 1 K 8:40; יַאֲרִכוּן יָמֶיךָ Ex 20:12 (JE) that thy days may be long = Dt 5:16, v. further ארך; יָמִים עַל־יְמֵי־מֶלֶךְ תּוֹסִיף ψ 61:7 i.e. prolong the king’s life; outlive is הֶאֱרִיךְ יָמִים אַחֲרֵי Jos 24:31 (D), Ju 2:7; אֹרֶךְ יָמִים וּשְׁנוֹת חַיִּים Pr 3:2 length of days and years of life; אֹרֶךְ יָמִים v 16, כְּיָמֶיךָ דבאך Dt 33:25 according to (the length of) thy life shall be [thy strength? read רבאך?] v. Di VB; rarely sg. e.g. קְשֵׁה־יוֹם Jb 30:25 one hard of day, i.e. whose day ( = life) was hard; of life as approaching its end, וַיִּקְרְבוּ יְמֵי ישׂראל לָמוּת Gn 47:29 (J) and the days of Israel drew near for dying, so Dt 31:14 1 K 2:1 (cf. Jb 7:6, 16; 8:9 Ec 2:3 supr.) b. (in) the days of (i.e. life-time, reign, or activity of) Gn 10:25 (J) 14:1 Ju 5:6(); 8:28 2 S 21:1 1 K 16:34; 21:29(); 22:47 2 K 20:19 2 Ch 13:20; 35:18 + often (so MI6.8.8.9.33). c. hence in phr. סֵפֶר דִּבְרֵי הַיָּמִים לְ 1 K 14:19, 29 + 31 times K, Ne 12:23 Est 2:23; 10:2; מִסְפַּר דִּבְרֵי הַיָּמִים 1 Ch 27:24; סֵפֶר הַזִּכְרֹנוֹת דִּבְרֵי הַיָּמִים Est 6:1.
    5. Days: a. indef.: יָמִים אֲחָדִים some days, a few days † Gn 27:44 (J), 29:20 (E), Dn 11:20; יָמִים alone 40:4 (E) they were days (a certain time) in the prison 1 K 17:15 Ne 1:4; עוּל יָמִים Is 65:20 a suckling of (a few) days; מִיָּמִים Ju 11:4 after a time, 15:1; so מִקֵּץ יָמִים Gn 4:3 (J) after the end of days, 1 K 17:7; יוֹם אוֹ יוֹמַיִם Ex 21:21 (JE) a day or two. יָמִים אוֹ עָשׂוֹר Gn 24:55 (J) some day, or ten (days or a dekad; on question of txt. v. Di). b. of long time, זֶה יָמִים אוֹ זֶה שָׁנִים 1 S 29:3 these days or these years; אוֹ יֹמַיִם אוֹ חֹדֶשׁ אוֹ יָמִים Nu 9:22 (P) whether two days or a month or days (an indefinitely long period); יָמִים רַבִּים many days Gn 21:34 (JE) 37:34 (J) +; וַיִּרְבּוּ הַיָּמִים וגו׳ Gn 38:12 (J) and the days were multiplied ( = time passed) and Judah’s wife died, 1 S 7:2; אָֽרְכוּ לוֹ שָׁם הַיָּמִים Gn 26:8 (J) the days were long to him there = he had been there a long time; בְּהַאֲרִיךְ הֶעָנָן … יָמִים רַבִּים Nu 9:19 (P) when the cloud prolonged many days (remained a long time) upon the tabern.—Vid. also 6 infr. c. days of old, former or ancient times (especially of early period of Isr. hist.): יְמוֹת עוֹלָם Dt 32:7 (poem); יְמֵי עוֹלם Mi 5:1; 7:14 Is 63:9, 11; יְמֵי קֶדֶם Mi 7:20; יָמִים מִקֶּדֶם ψ 77:6; 143:5; cf. הַיָּמִים הָרִאשֹׁנִים Ec 7:10; coming days הַיָּמִים הַבָּאִים Ec 2:16; coming time יוֹם אַחֲרוֹן Pr 31:25; especially (ב)אַחֲרִית הַיָּמִים v. p. 31 supr.; לְקֵץ הַיָּמִין Dn 12:13.
    6. יוֹם = time; a. vividly in gen. sense (v. also 5 supr.): time of harvest Pr 25:13; usually יְמֵי Gn 30:14 (J), Jos 3:15 Nu 13:20() (all JE), Ju 15:1 2 S 21:9; proper time for paying wages Dt 24:15 cf. Jb 14:6; time of parturition וַיִּמְלְאוּ יָמֶיהָ לָלֶדֶת Gn 25:24. b. appos. to other expr. of time (Dr192(1) Da §29.d): חֹדֶשׁ יָמִים a month of time Gn 29:14 (J; lit. a month, time), Nu 11:20, 21 (JE); = יֶרַח יָמִים Dt 21:13 2 K 15:13; יָמִים ארבעה חדשׁים Ju 19:2 time, four months (si vera l., v. 1 S 27:7); †שְׁנָתַיִם יָמִים (מִקֵּץ) Gn 41:1 (E) two years (of) time, 2 S 13:23; 14:28 Je 28:3, 11; שְׁלשָׁה שָׁבֻעִים יָמִים Dn 10:2, 3 three weeks (of) time. c. pl. in specific sense, appar. = year, lit. יָמִים 1 S 27:7 Lv 25:29 (H); לַיָּמִים Ju 17:10; זֶבַח הַיָּמִים 1 S 1:21; 2:19; 20:6; יָמִים וארבעה חדשׁים 27:7 = a year and four months (cf. Ju 19:2 supr. b); מִיָּמִים יָמִ֫ימָה = from year to year, yearly Ex 13:10 (JE), Ju 11:40 (cf. v b), 21:19 1 S 1:3; 2:19; מִקֵּץ יָמִים לַיָּמִים 2 S 14:26; יֹמַיִם אוֹ חֹדֶשׁ אוֹ־יָמִים Nu 9:22 (P) distrib. Nu 14:34() (P), Ez 4:6(); וַיְהִי לְיָמִים מִיָּמִים וּכְעֵת צֵאת הַקֵּץ לְיָמִים שְׁנַיִם 2 Ch 21:19 and it came to pass at days from days ( = after some days) even about the time of the outgoing of the end of two (series of) days (i.e. prob. years, v. Be).
    7. Phrases, without prep. and with, are: a. (1) הַיּוֹם=to-day Gn 4:14; 31:43, 48 Ex 13:4 (JE) + often; opp. תְּמוֹל yesterday Ex 5:14 1 S 20:27; opp. מָחָר Ex 19:10; (2) †(בְּ)יוֹם מָחָר = to-morrow Gn 30:33 Is 56:12 Pr 27:1; (3) יוֹם אֶתְמוֹל ψ 90:4; (4) הַיּוֹם שְׁלשֶׁת הַיָּמִים 1 S 9:20 three days ago (v. Dr); = הַיּוֹם שְׁלשָׁה 1 S 30:13; †(5) בַּיּוֹם Ju 13:10 appar. = the other day (v. Be); (6) יוֹם אֶחָד no prep., emphat. = in one day, Gn 27:45 Is 9:13; c. בְּ 10:17; 47:9; for, during, one day Gn 33:13 Nu 11:19; unemphat., one day ( = some day) 1 S 27:1; יוֹם אֶחָד לִפְנֵי 9:15 one day, before Saul came. †b. וַיְהִי הַיּוֹם וַֹ־ and the day came, that (or when) 1 S 1:4 (v. Dr) 2 K 4:8, 11, 18 Jb 1:6, 13; 2:1. c. הִנֵּה יָמִים בָּאִים lo! days are coming, when, etc.; especially in Am Je: 1 S 2:31 Am 4:2; 8:11; 9:13 Is 39:6 = 2 K 20:17, Je 7:32 + 13 times Je. d. יוֹם in cstr. bef. vbs., both literally, the day of, and (often) in gen. sense = the time of (forcible and pregn., representing the act vividly as that of a single day): (1) bef. inf., †(α) sg. without prep. אֶת־יוֹם צֵאתְךָ Dt 16:3 and thou shalt remember the day of the going out from the land of Egypt, Is 58:5 Ez 39:13 Mal 3:2 cf. Ec 7:1 (מִן compar.); (β) עַד־יוֹם Jos 6:10 Ju 18:30 + 5 times; (γ) בְּיוֹם Gn 2:4, 17; 3:5 + 53 times; † (δ) כְּיוֹם Ho 2:5, 17 Zc 14:3; †(ε) מִיּוֹם 1 S 7:2; 8:8; 29:6, 2 S 13:32 2 K 8:6 Dt 9:24 Lv 23:15 Ez 28:15; †(ζ) לְמִיּוֹם Ju 19:30 2 S 7:6 Is 7:17; †(2) pl. cstr. bef. inf.: (α) כָּל־יְמֵי Ju 18:31 1 S 22:4; 25:7, 16 Lv 26:34, 35 Nu 6:6 2 Ch 36:21; (β) בִּימֵי Ru 1:1 2 Ch 26:5; (γ) כִּימֵי Mi 7:15; †(3) sg. cstr. c. perp. bef. finite vb. in pf.: (α) cf. בְּ, בְּיוֹם דִּבֶּר י׳ Ex 6:28 in the day (when) י׳ spoke, so Nu 3:1 Dt 4:15; also Lv 7:35 2 S 22:1 = ψ 18:1, ψ 138:3 Zc 8:9; (β) מִיּוֹם Je 36:2; †(4) sg. cstr. bef. impf.: בְּיוֹם אֶקְרָא ψ 56:10 in the day (when) I cry, 102:3 La 3:57; also without בְּ, יוֹם אִירָא ψ 56:4 (at the) time (when) I am afraid; †(5) pl. cstr. bef. pf.: כָּל־יְמֵי הִתְהַלַּכְנוּ אִתָּם 1 S 25:15, so Lv 14:46 (prob., v. Di); כִּימוֹת ψ 90:15; †(6) pl. cstr. bef. impf.: כִּימֵי אֱלֹוהַּ יִשְׁמְרֵנִי Jb 29:2; †(7) מִיּוֹם cstr. bef. rel. cl.: מִיּוֹם אֲשֶׁר הָיִיתִי לְפָנֶיךָ 1 S 29:8 since the day when ( = as long as) I have been before thee, Ne 5:14; †(8) pl. cstr. bef. rel. cl. כָּל־יְמֵי אֲשֶׁר יִשְׁכֹּן Nu 9:18 as long as the cloud remained, etc. e. (1) יוֹם יוֹם day by day Gn 39:10 (J), Ex 16:5 (P), Pr 8:30, 34 ψ 61:9; 68:20 ( + Je 7:25 ψ 13:3 Lag, v. יוֹמָם); so (late) †לְיוֹם בְּיוֹם 2 Ch 24:11; †יוֹם בְּיוֹם 30:21 Ne 8:18; †לְעֶת־יוֹם בְּיוֹם 1 Ch 12:22; עֹלֹת יוֹם בְּיוֹם Ezr 3:4; בִּדְבַר יוֹם בְּיוֹם 2 Ch 8:13; מִיּוֹם אֶל־יוֹם from day to day 1 Ch 16:23 = מִיּוֹם לְיוֹם ψ 96:2 (Est 3:7 v. infr.); †יוֹם וָיוֹם Est 3:4 (very late, v. וְ 1 i (b), p. 253 supr. and Dr 505); בְּכָל־יוֹם וָיוֹם 2:11; †כְּיוֹם בִּיוֹם 1 S 18:10 as daily = according to daily habit; (2) מִיּוֹם לְיוֹם Est 3:7, is in phr. of casting lots for one day after another; (מִיָּמִים יָמִ֫ימָה v. 6 c); (3) of daily duties, observances, etc.: †דְּבַר יוֹם בְּיוֹמוֹ each day’s affair in its day Ex 5:13, 19; 16:4 (all J), Lv 23:37 (H), 1 K 8:59 2 K 25:30 = Je 52:34, Ezr 3:4 Ne 11:23; 12:47 Dn 1:5; לִדְבַר יוֹם בְּיוֹמוֹ 1 Ch 16:37 2 Ch 8:14; 31:16. f. †כָּל־הַיָּמִים = always, continually, Gn 43:9; 44:32 (both J), Dt 4:40; 5:26; 6:24; 11:1; 14:23; 18:5; 19:9; 28:29, 33 Jos 4:24 (D), Ju 16:16 1 S 2:32, 35; 18:29; 23:14; 28:2 2 S 13:37; 19:14 Je 31:36; 32:39; 33:18; 35:19; 1 K 5:15; 9:3; 11:36, 39; 12:7; 14:30 2 K 8:19; 13:3; 17:37 2 Ch 7:16; 10:7; 12:15; 21:7 Jb 1:5; also (only in proph. writers and in poetry) †כָּל־הַיּוֹם Gn 6:5 (J), Ho 12:2 Dt 28:32; 33:12 Je 20:7, 8 Is 28:24, 51:13; 52:5 (both תָּמִיד כל־היום), 65:2, 5 La 1:13; 3:3, 14, 62 ψ 25:5; 32:3; 35:28; 37:26; 38:7, 13; 42:4, 11; 44:9, 16, 23; 52:3; 56:2, 3, 6; 71:8, 15, 24; 72:15; 73:14; 74:22; 86:3; 88:18; 89:17; 102:9; 119:97 Pr 21:26; 23:17. g. additional phr. c. בְּ = on a particular day: בַּיּוֹם הַחֲמִישִׁי Ju 19:18, so Gn 2:2() + often; בְּכָל־יוֹם every day ψ 7:12; 88:10; 145:2; בַּיּוֹם הַהוּא of definite time in past Gn 15:18; 33:16 + (v. also 3 supr.); cf. הַיּוֹם הַזֶּה (no prep.) 1 S 24:11 (JE); בַּיּוֹם הַהוּא of time defined in subsequent context, 1 S 3:2 at that time when Eli was laid down, i.e. at the particular time of the foll. incident ( = at a certain time, on one particular day; cf. Gn 39:11 sub h; see Da§ 21.e.R. 1, 2 and especially Dr 1 S 1:4; 19:3); בַּיּוֹם הַזֶּה Gn 7:11 +; בְּעֶצֶם הַיּוֹם הַזֶּה on this selfsame day Gn 7:13 + (v. עֶצֶם); בַּיּוֹם הַהוּא also of future 1 S 3:12 Dt 31:17(), 18; and very often in proph., as formula in describing what is to come at time of future blessing, retribution, etc., Am 8:3, 9 Ho 2:18, 20, 23 etc., especially Is 2:11, 17, 20; 3:7, 18; 4:1, 2 + often; pl. בַּיָּמִים הָהֵם of past Gn 6:4 (J), Ju 18:1() 19:1; 21:25 1 S 3:1 + often; of future Dt 17:9; 19:17; 26:3. h. c. כְּ: כַּיּוֹם as or like the day ψ 139:12; כַּיּוֹם הַהוּא Jos 10:14; כְּיוֹם Ho 2:5 as at the day of; כְּיוֹם תָּמִים Jos 10:13 about a whole day; †כַּיּוֹם lit. at (about) to-day = now (v. כְּ 1 S 9:27 1 K 22:5 = 2 Ch 18:4 Is 58:4; so †כְּהַיּוֹם 1 S 9:13 + v 12 We Dr (for MT כי היום), Ne 5:11; †כַּיּוֹם = at once, first of all Gn 25:31, 33 1 S 2:16 1 K 1:51; often c. adj. pron. to point out agreement of result with promise or prediction, †כַּיּוֹם הַזֶּה as it is at this day Gn 50:20 (E), 1 S 22:8, 13, and especially Dt Je and subseq. writings: Dt 2:30; 4:20, 38; 8:18; 10:15; 29:27 Je 11:5; 25:18 (gloss, om. , cf. especially KueEinl. § 56. 1), 32:20; 44:6, 23 1 K 3:6; 8:24, 61 1 Ch 28:7 2 Ch 6:15 Dn 9:7, 15; so †כְּהַיּוֹם הַזֶּה Dt 6:24 Je 44:22 Ezr 9:7, 15 Ne 9:10; in Gn 39:11 (J) this phr. = on this particular day (when the incident to be narrated occurred; cf. ביום ההוא g supr.) i. c. לְ: לְיוֹם on, at (lit. with reference to) †Ho 9:5() what will ye do on the day of assembly, etc., Is 10:3; לְיוֹם אֶחָד 1 K 5:2 bread for one day; הַמְּלָאכָה לֹא לְיוֹם אֶחָד וְלֹא לִשְׁנַיִם Ezr 10:13; distrib. phr. נָשִׂיא אֶחָד לַיּוֹם נָשִׂיא אֶחָד לַיּוֹם Nu 7:11 (P), Jb 21:30(); cf. לַיּוֹם Mal 3:17; לַיּום against, i.e. in expectation of Ex 19:11, so לְיוֹם קְרָב Jb 38:23 Pr 21:31; לְיוֹם קוּמִי alm. = until Zp 3:8; לִפְנֵי יוֹם Is 48:7 before to-day; late phr. are †לְיָמִים מִיָּמִים 2 Ch 21:19 = in the course of time; לְיָמִים רַבִּים Dn 8:26 at (the end of) many days; לַיּוֹם = for every day, daily, †Ex 29:36, 38 Nu 7:11(); 28:3, 24 1 Ch 26:17() Je 37:21 Ez 4:10; 43:25; 45:23(); 46:13; לַיּוֹם in exclam. הָהּ לַיּ׳ Ez 30:2 alas for the day! אֲהָהּ לַיּ׳ Jo 1:15. j. c. מִן: מִיּוֹם since the day (time) of (or when), Ex 10:6 Lv 23:15 Dt 9:24 1 S 7:2 etc.; מִיּוֹם הראשׁן Ex 12:15 from the first day (on om. of art. v. Dr 209 (1)); מִימֵי השׁפטים 2 K 23:22, etc.; מִיּוֹם = from to day, from this day forth Is 43:13 Ez 48:35; מֵהַיּוֹם הַהוּא וָמָ֑עְלָה 1 S 16:13; 30:25 from that day forward; so מֵהַיּ׳ הַה׳ וָהָ֑לְאָה 1 S 18:9; מִן־הַיּוֹם הַזֶּה וָמָ֑עְלָה Hg 2:15, 18 from this day onward (v. Add. on p. 751b); עַד־הַיּוֹם הַזֶּה Gn 47:26 until now; מִיָּמִים רַבִּים after many days Jos 23:1 Ez 38:8; מִיָּמִים after a time Ju 11:4; 14:8; 15:1; but usually מִקֵּץ י׳, v. קֵץ; מִיֹּמָ֑יִם Ho 6:2 after two days;—מִיָּמִים יָמִ֫ימָה v. e. (4) supr. †k. c. לְמִן (v. לְ ad fin.): לְמִן הַיּוֹם אֲשֶׁר Dt 4:32; 9:7 2 S 7:11 Je 7:25; 32:31 Hg 2:18; twice sq. inf. appos. Ex 9:18 2 S 19:25 (cf. also 2 Ch 8:16; v. Dr. & 190, Obs.); לְמִימֵי: למ׳ קֶדֶם 2 K 19:25 since days of old = long ago, cf. Mal 3:7 since the days of your fathers.† 1. עַד (ה)יום: עַד יוֹם הָאֶחָד וגו׳ Ex 12:18 until the 21st day, Lv 19:6 +; עַד־יוֹם מוֹתוֹ Ju 13:7 1 S 15:35 2 S 6:23 +, etc., v. also (sq. inf.) c. supr.; עַד־הַיּוֹם until to-day, denoting especially permanence of a name or situation, or of result of an event, †Gn 19:37, 38 (J), 35:20 (E), 2 K 10:27 Ez 20:31†; more often עַד־הַיּוֹם הַזֶּה until this day Gn 26:33 (J), 31:33 (P or R), 47:26 (J), 48:15 (E), Ex 10:6 Nu 22:30 (both J), Dt 2:22; 3:14; 10:8; 11:4; 29:3 34:6 Jos 4:9; 5:9; 6:25; 7:26(); 8:28, 29; 9:27; 13:13; 14:14; 15:63; 16:10 (all JE), 22:3 (D), v 17 (P), 23:8, 9 (D), Ju 1:21, 26; 6:24; 10:4; 15:19; 18:12; 19:30 1 S 5:5; 6:18; 8:8; 12:2; 27:6; 29:3, 6, 8; 30:25 2 S 4:3; 6:8 = 1 Ch 13:11, 2 S 7:6 = 1 Ch 17:5, 2 S 18:13 + often; עַד־עֶצֶם הַיּוֹם הַזֶּה †Jos 10:27 (JE), Ez 2:3 (cf. Lv 23:14 H); עַד־הַיּוֹם הַהוּא †Ju 18:1 Ne 8:17. m. once עַל־יוֹם טוֹב 1 S 25:8 upon a good day, i.e. a day of social cheerfulness, feasting, rejoicing (c. rare עַל temp. cf. Dr; יוֹם טוֹב) also Est 8:17; 9:19, 22, v. טוֹב adj.)
    Brown, F., Driver, S. R., & Briggs, C. A. (1977). Enhanced Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon (pp. 398–401). Oxford: Clarendon Press.
     
  2. mmksparbud

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    Where does it say this. You are assuming something not stated.
     
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    In the Old Testament God said eye for an eye. Eternal Hell is infinite eyes for however many eyes were ruined in that person's life. God is perfect, so how would he accept this? Why wouldn't he just not hand out eternal life to everyone? Is God incapable of that?
     
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    /nvm
     
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    I have lost everything on my computer 3-4 times now---you'd think I learned the first time. Never have figured out how to save stuff. My home health doctor said to try cloud---I couldn't figure it out. I am computer inept mostly.

    As for the rest---I at least just posted the conclusion!!!
     
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    1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
    1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
     
  7. Der Alte

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    I lost a lot of stuff a few times. That is when I got an external HD. I have used up 3-4 PCs and made all the HD into external. They have a USB cable plug it in, "File Explorer" and I see USB drive (H.) that's where all my files go.
     
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    Not to go off topic, but do I get, do I look for external HD on Amazon?--I do all my shopping on line, I'm in wheelchair.

    I now have a desk top, does that make a difference?
     
  9. createdtoworship

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    actually it was his spirit that died when he sinned, then when we are born again, the spirit is brought to life in us. Because it said they would die once they ate, but they lived for a long time after that.
     
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    /nvm
     
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    A verse stating we are made immortal please.

    1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
    1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

    Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
    Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.


    Without access to the tree of life--they die. We were not made immortal. We were made FOR immortality---we get the tree of life back with our resurrection.

    Rev_2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
    Rev_22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
    Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
     
  12. Der Alte

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    Here is a link to Amazon. I saw prices $49.00 and up. I have used external drives on both desk and lap top. If it has a USB plug you should be able to save files to/from an external drive.
    Amazon.com: external hard-drive
     
  13. createdtoworship

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    small question, if demons and humans go to the same hell. How is it that one of the beings is eternal while the other temporary. For example if you had two physical items, one existing in one dimension, and the other existing in another dimension. They could not go to the same room together, one might walk through the walls the other might fall through the floor. Most likely logic dictates that anything that is immaterial is immortal. Laws of physic tell us this. Time is the fourth dimension. If a soul is beyond the fourth dimension, immaterial, then it would be outside of time, and therefore immortal. It can be destroyed as a process but not as and end to all means. It will constantly be destroyed, but it will never go away.
     
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    You are again assuming that angels are immortal---they are not. Satan and his angels, and all that follow him, will be destroyed in the lake of fire. There will be no sin. So long as there is a sinner there is sin. There will be no more pain, no more tears--as long as someone is burning there will be pain and tears. Everything that is sin will be destroyed and he earth will be made new without any sin or pain or death. Again--ONLY God is immortal.
     
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    Thank You!!
     
  16. createdtoworship

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    the fact that angels can walk through walls proves my point. They must be in a higher dimension than the fourth dimension.
    I believe God to be outside of our four dimensions. A God who exists outside of time for example, can predict the future (prophecy). A God outside of the first three dimensions, can walk through walls as Jesus seemed to do as he appeared inside the upper room after the resurrection (inside of locked room). I think the miracles are miraculous to a 3 dimensional being yes, but not for a being with higher dimensional characteristics. Some basics of dimension theory can be described here:


    I believe it is much more meaningful to explain the God created science and because He created it, is susceptible to it in some sense.

    For example why create laws, just to break them?

    why not create a higher set of laws, that cannot be explained by traditional science? metaphysics, quantum physics, etc.
     
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    And you think that limits God as to destroying all sinners?? God alone is immortal. Nothing else matters. God will end sin, He will destroy all sinners---whether they walk through walls or not. The bible clearly states that we were created lower than the angels, they are living in a different realm than we are---but they are not equal with God--no one is, except Jesus.
     
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    Like I said angels can walk through walls, so they are immaterial, so according to the law of relativity if you have no mass, you neither have time. Because time is a physical property. If you don't have mass, time does not affect you, because mass is accelerated to show the affect of time. So if angels don't have mass, then they are outside of the time domain alltogether, so too with our souls, because they don't have mass either. science itself disproves your thesis.
     
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    God is physics. He is the one that decides the laws and He is above all. His word is power, it is through His word that the worlds are created. He is sound energy. If He says He will destroy all sinners---than that is what He will do. You can theorize from here to doomsday---He has the final word! You haver no idea what the laws are anywhere else but on this earth and surrounding planets---what God does in His realm is way above the ability of anyone to comprehend. What He says He will do---He will do! He dictates the laws for this earth, we do not dictate to Him what the laws of physics are in His realm!
     
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    Here is a simple test to try and hash out this thread:
    Jesus IS the exact representation of his Father....the God of all creation.
    Now, a few questions:
    Did Jesus....

    Kill anyone?
    Torture anyone?
    Put a curse on anyone?
    Blind anyone?
    Steal from anyone?
     
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