Errant denalists shout "In the 70's they said there would be an ice age!"

[eclipsenow]

Errant denialists not only corrupt science, they corrupt history.

Everything they touch turns to alternative facts and half truths.

Cherrypicking a few cover stories from magazines is NOT the same as a survey of peer-reviewed climate science. It's time to get your Bee Gee's on, because we're going back to the 1970's to get some true facts and whole truths.

9 minutes

 

[Peter J Barban]

Anything that starts out with "Errant denalists shout..." is going to be propaganda.

I was around in the 70's and remember the news media informing me that an ice age was likely to destroy my future hopes. I don't remember much debate to the contrary, in the popular media. Peer reviewed journals were rather obscure before the internet age. They did not affect our culture the way the pop media did.

 

[Adstar]

First it was the Ice age.. yeah i was around when they said it was coming..

Then it was the Ozone Hole.. Remember that one? How we where all going to get bombarded by radiation direct from the sun because all the ozone was going to be eaten up in a few more years..

And now we have ""global warming"".. which they have already been forced to change to ""climate change"" because the world has stubbornly refused to follow their infallible ""super computer Models"" of all the ice in Greenland melting in a decade or two...

 

[Chesterton]

And there was acid rain, killer bees, cats and dogs living together...

 

[Adstar]

And there was acid rain, killer bees, cats and dogs living together...

Yeah all the forrests where going to die because of the acid rain and the oceans where going to turn into battery acid... Looks around the forrests are still standing and the ocean still has life in it... LOL

 

[eclipsenow]

Anything that starts out with "Errant denalists shout..." is going to be propaganda.

I was around in the 70's and remember the news media informing me that an ice age was likely to destroy my future hopes. I don't remember much debate to the contrary, in the popular media. Peer reviewed journals were rather obscure before the internet age. They did not affect our culture the way the pop media did.

If you had bothered to watch the video you would know that you have just confirmed everything in it!

 

[eclipsenow]

Yeah all the forrests where going to die because of the acid rain and the oceans where going to turn into battery acid... Looks around the forrests are still standing and the ocean still has life in it... LOL

Many of the forests are gone and the ocean is dying, Fishing yields are incredibly low, most fisheries Are in depletion, coral reef's dying around the world, and carbon dioxide is making the ocean Acidic! Was your laugh out loud meant to show you are being sarcastic?

 

[Goonie]

Many of the forests are gone and the ocean is dying, Fishing yields are incredibly low, most fisheries Are in depletion, coral reef's dying around the world, and carbon dioxide is making the ocean Acidic! Was your laugh out loud meant to show you are being sarcastic?

Bbbut if it tap my red slippers together it's not happening! Either that or I go to Kansas.

 

[eclipsenow]

Peer-reviewed paper count from 1965 to 1979:

7 predicted cooling (based on aerosol particulates from coal)
20 were neutral
44 predicted warming

The 'we're all going into an ice-age' was just a media beatup, but Soylent Green showed that not all mainstream culture was accepting it.

 

[Adstar]

Many of the forests are gone and the ocean is dying, Fishing yields are incredibly low, most fisheries Are in depletion, coral reef's dying around the world, and carbon dioxide is making the ocean Acidic! Was your laugh out loud meant to show you are being sarcastic?

Yes my LOL was sarcasm... Forrest's are still standing and healthy.. The only major threat to forests in logging ... Fishing yields are being lowered by years of over fishing. Not by ocean acid levels.. Corals are in good condition except for some places that have suffered excessive fertilizer run off.. Again not caused by acid.. The rise in the sea acidity is negligible..

Environmental alarmists need to start telling the truth rather then use scare tactics to try and use fear to push their agenda.. Maybe then people might consider their concerns.. But time and time again they simply lie and manipulate figures, thus their credibility gets lower and lower..

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

...Then it was the Ozone Hole.. Remember that one? How we where all going to get bombarded by radiation direct from the sun because all the ozone was going to be eaten up in a few more years..

That was the prediction if the release of ozone-depleting gases continued to rise as it was rising at the time. So the powers-that-be took action - they banned the worst gases from use and legislated the disposal of old equipment that used them.

People say the same thing about the 'millennium bug', that it was a panic about nothing - but I was one of the thousands of people involved in ensuring it didn't happen, by modifying a huge number of financial systems.

The worst case scenario can often be avoided if you take timely action to prevent it.

 

[Adstar]

That was the prediction if the release of ozone-depleting gases continued to rise as it was rising at the time. So the powers-that-be took action - they banned the worst gases from use and legislated the disposal of old equipment that used them.

People say the same thing about the 'millennium bug', that it was a panic about nothing - but I was one of the thousands of people involved in ensuring it didn't happen, by modifying a huge number of financial systems.

The worst case scenario can often be avoided if you take timely action to prevent it.

The report as i remember was these ozone depleting gasses would take 20 to 30 years to dissipate and during that time the gasses would be eating away the ozone and the situation would become far worse before it got better.. Similar to the delusional alarmist fear mongering of the global warming liars who made their models which stated that even if we stopped producing carbon emissions today the worlds temperate was still going to rise to alarming heights and we needed to plant great forests and then bury them underground to take carbon out of the atmosphere.. So much fear mongering.. So much deception..

 

[eclipsenow]

Yes my LOL was sarcasm... Forrest's are still standing and healthy..

First, it's not just the quantity but quality of the forest. Trails degrade them, roads degrade them further. We're witnessing the biggest biodiversity crisis since the dinosaurs were wiped out. Tropical forests are a special concern because they are such biodiversity hotspots.

Rates of deforestation[edit]

Slash-and-burn farming in the state of Rondônia, western Brazil Global deforestation[96] sharply accelerated around 1852.[97][98] It has been estimated that about half of the Earth's mature tropical forests—between 7.5 million and 8 million km2 (2.9 million to 3 million sq mi) of the original 15 million to 16 million km2 (5.8 million to 6.2 million sq mi) that until 1947 covered the planet[99]—have now been destroyed.[8][100] Some scientists have predicted that unless significant measures (such as seeking out and protecting old growth forests that have not been disturbed)[99] are taken on a worldwide basis, by 2030 there will only be 10% remaining,[97][100] with another 10% in a degraded condition.[97] 80% will have been lost, and with them hundreds of thousands of irreplaceable species.[97] Some cartographers have attempted to illustrate the sheer scale of deforestation by country using a cartogram.[101]

Estimates vary widely as to the extent of tropical deforestation.[102][103] Scientists estimate that one fifth of the world's tropical rainforest was destroyed between 1960 and 1990.[citation needed] They claim that that rainforests 60 years ago covered 14%[citation needed] of the world's land surface, now only cover 5–7%, and that all tropical forests will be gone by the middle of the 21st century.[104]

A 2002 analysis of satellite imagery suggested that the rate of deforestation in the humid tropics (approximately 5.8 million hectares per year) was roughly 23% lower than the most commonly quoted rates.[105] Conversely, a newer analysis of satellite images reveals that deforestation of the Amazon rainforest is twice as fast as scientists previously estimated.[106][107]​

Deforestation - Wikipedia

Fishing yields are being lowered by years of over fishing.

Overfishing can have scary consequences.

“Dramatic changes in species composition can result in an ecosystem shift, where other equilibrium energy flows involve species compositions different from those that had been present before the depletion of the original fish stock. For example, once trout have been overfished, carp might take over in a way that makes it impossible for the trout to re-establish a breeding population.”
Overfishing - Wikipedia

For example, Blue fin tuna can grow for 30 or 40 years and weight a ton, but lately their average size has been decreasing. They are now in trouble (wiki).

From 1976 to 2006 worldwide stocks of Bluefin Tuna plummeted by 90%. Most seafood sustainability guides recommend consumers choose alternatives to bluefin tuna.

In 2010, Greenpeace International added this population to its seafood red list, saying:

“The Greenpeace International seafood red list is a list of fish that are commonly sold in supermarkets around the world, and which have a very high risk of being sourced from unsustainable fisheries.”[4]
Wikipediahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_bluefin_tuna#cite_note-3
The wiki on overfishing explains:

According to a 2008 UN report, the world’s fishing fleets are losing $50 billion USD each year through depleted stocks and poor fisheries management. The report, produced jointly by the World Bank and the UNFood and Agriculture Organization (FAO), asserts that half the world’sfishing fleet could be scrapped with no change in catch. In addition, thebiomass of global fish stocks have been allowed to run down to the point where it is no longer possible to catch the amount of fish that could be caught.[10] Increased incidence of schistosomiasis in Africa has been linked to declines of fish species that eat the snails carrying the disease-causing parasites.[11] Massive growth of jellyfish populations threaten fish stocks, as they compete with fish for food, eat fish eggs, and poison or swarm fish, and can survive in oxygen depleted environments where fish cannot; they wreak massive havoc on commercial fisheries. Overfishing eliminates a major jellyfish competitor and predator exacerbating the jellyfish population explosion.

Are the world’s fisheries destined to follow the example of the Atlantic Cod in the 1990’s? (Woah, lookout, there’s another peak).


Inefficient fishing with terrible collateral damage
We are also fishing inefficiently. Bottom trawling is a perverse method of fishing that scrapes the sea-floor of all life, only to sell a tiny fraction of the actual catch. Most of the catch is then thrown back into the sea as ‘by-catch’. It also destroys important sponge ecosystems along the bottom of our oceans.

National Geographic photographer Brian Skerry presented some of his work at TED (2010). His work is beautiful, but the subject is not. As Brian’s TED talk so graphically shows, a mere handful of 7 or 8 shrimp kills 10 pounds of ‘by-catch’.

Are we being poisoned by micro-plastics in the ocean?
There are 5 oceanic gyres collecting a thick soup of micro-plastic particles, which one do you live nearest? Fish and birds end up with this plastic in their guts, and the various hormonal and chemical toxins accumulate through the food chain.



For more
What’s an Ocean Garbage Patch? : Video : Discovery News.

Wiki: Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch

Wiki: North_Atlantic_Garbage_Patch
​

Not by ocean acid levels..

Sorry, but corals are effected.

The fluid in the internal compartments where corals grow their exoskeleton is also extremely important for calcification growth. When the saturation rate of aragonite in the external seawater is at ambient levels, the corals will grow their aragonite crystals rapidly in their internal compartments, hence their exoskeleton grows rapidly. If the level of aragonite in the external seawater is lower than the ambient level, the corals have to work harder to maintain the right balance in the internal compartment. When that happens, the process of growing the crystals slows down, and this slows down the rate of how much their exoskeleton is growing. Depending on how much aragonite is in the surrounding water, the corals may even stop growing because the levels of aragonite are too low to pump into the internal compartment. They could even dissolve faster than they can make the crystals to their skeleton, depending on the aragonite levels in the surrounding water.[85]
Ocean acidification - Wikipedia​

Corals are in good condition except for some places that have suffered excessive fertilizer run off..

This statement is just so wrong I don't really know how to respond?
Experts: The Great Barrier Reef cannot be saved

The rise in the sea acidity is negligible..

See wiki above where further impacts are outlined at the base of the food chain.

Environmental alarmists need to start telling the truth rather then use scare tactics to try and use fear to push their agenda..

They've been telling the truth for generations, but fossil fuel corporations fund denialist think tanks that work their way into schools, churches, business, and the community.

Maybe then people might consider their concerns..

They've been telling the truth for generations, but fossil fuel corporations fund denialist think tanks that work their way into schools, churches, business, and the community.

But time and time again they simply lie

They've been telling the truth for generations, but fossil fuel corporations fund denialist think tanks that work their way into schools, churches, business, and the community.

and manipulate figures

They've been telling the truth for generations, but fossil fuel corporations fund denialist think tanks that work their way into schools, churches, business, and the community.

thus their credibility gets lower and lower..

They've been telling the truth for generations, but fossil fuel corporations fund denialist think tanks that work their way into schools, churches, business, and the community.

 

[Strathos]

That was the prediction if the release of ozone-depleting gases continued to rise as it was rising at the time. So the powers-that-be took action - they banned the worst gases from use and legislated the disposal of old equipment that used them.

People say the same thing about the 'millennium bug', that it was a panic about nothing - but I was one of the thousands of people involved in ensuring it didn't happen, by modifying a huge number of financial systems.

The worst case scenario can often be avoided if you take timely action to prevent it.

It's a lot like saying that nuclear war was never a threat because we ended up not having one.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

The report as i remember was these ozone depleting gasses would take 20 to 30 years to dissipate and during that time the gasses would be eating away the ozone and the situation would become far worse before it got better..

Unsurprisingly, that's not how I remember it. The 1987 Montreal Protocol banning CFCs was enacted to prevent the ozone depletion becoming 'far worse'. But ozone depletion did continue for about 25 years. Depleting chemicals peaked in 1994, and had dropped by 10% in 2008. Global ozone was thought to have (roughly) stabilized by 2005, but depletion has only recently completely stopped and overall ozone begun to grow again (2014-2016). This seems entirely consistent with the predicted 20-30 years before recovery.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

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[eclipsenow]

I recall when everyone was freaking out about a coming ice age because I was actually alive in the 70s. How about you?

Of the 1970's climate papers, a mere 7 predicted cooling, 20 were neutral, and 44 predicted warming.
With numbers like that, you tell me if you're entitled to just sit in your couch and quote your memory of media hype at me? Because there's media hype, and there's what the climate scientist's actually said. (If only Republicans actually KNEW what climatologists actually said, 3/4 the time most Fox news meme's would just vanish!) Oh, and don't forget some 1970's pop-culture references to global WARMING like Soylent Green. It wasn't like all pop culture was on about the ice age!

 

[jimmyjimmy]

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[Adstar]

First, it's not just the quantity but quality of the forest. Trails degrade them, roads degrade them further. We're witnessing the biggest biodiversity crisis since the dinosaurs were wiped out. Tropical forests are a special concern because they are such biodiversity hotspots.

Rates of deforestation[edit]

Slash-and-burn farming in the state of Rondônia, western Brazil Global deforestation[96] sharply accelerated around 1852.[97][98] It has been estimated that about half of the Earth's mature tropical forests—between 7.5 million and 8 million km2 (2.9 million to 3 million sq mi) of the original 15 million to 16 million km2 (5.8 million to 6.2 million sq mi) that until 1947 covered the planet[99]—have now been destroyed.[8][100] Some scientists have predicted that unless significant measures (such as seeking out and protecting old growth forests that have not been disturbed)[99] are taken on a worldwide basis, by 2030 there will only be 10% remaining,[97][100] with another 10% in a degraded condition.[97] 80% will have been lost, and with them hundreds of thousands of irreplaceable species.[97] Some cartographers have attempted to illustrate the sheer scale of deforestation by country using a cartogram.[101]

Estimates vary widely as to the extent of tropical deforestation.[102][103] Scientists estimate that one fifth of the world's tropical rainforest was destroyed between 1960 and 1990.[citation needed] They claim that that rainforests 60 years ago covered 14%[citation needed] of the world's land surface, now only cover 5–7%, and that all tropical forests will be gone by the middle of the 21st century.[104]

A 2002 analysis of satellite imagery suggested that the rate of deforestation in the humid tropics (approximately 5.8 million hectares per year) was roughly 23% lower than the most commonly quoted rates.[105] Conversely, a newer analysis of satellite images reveals that deforestation of the Amazon rainforest is twice as fast as scientists previously estimated.[106][107]​

Deforestation - Wikipedia


Overfishing can have scary consequences.

“Dramatic changes in species composition can result in an ecosystem shift, where other equilibrium energy flows involve species compositions different from those that had been present before the depletion of the original fish stock. For example, once trout have been overfished, carp might take over in a way that makes it impossible for the trout to re-establish a breeding population.”
Overfishing - Wikipedia

For example, Blue fin tuna can grow for 30 or 40 years and weight a ton, but lately their average size has been decreasing. They are now in trouble (wiki).

From 1976 to 2006 worldwide stocks of Bluefin Tuna plummeted by 90%. Most seafood sustainability guides recommend consumers choose alternatives to bluefin tuna.

In 2010, Greenpeace International added this population to its seafood red list, saying:

“The Greenpeace International seafood red list is a list of fish that are commonly sold in supermarkets around the world, and which have a very high risk of being sourced from unsustainable fisheries.”[4]
Wikipedia
The wiki on overfishing explains:

According to a 2008 UN report, the world’s fishing fleets are losing $50 billion USD each year through depleted stocks and poor fisheries management. The report, produced jointly by the World Bank and the UNFood and Agriculture Organization (FAO), asserts that half the world’sfishing fleet could be scrapped with no change in catch. In addition, thebiomass of global fish stocks have been allowed to run down to the point where it is no longer possible to catch the amount of fish that could be caught.[10] Increased incidence of schistosomiasis in Africa has been linked to declines of fish species that eat the snails carrying the disease-causing parasites.[11] Massive growth of jellyfish populations threaten fish stocks, as they compete with fish for food, eat fish eggs, and poison or swarm fish, and can survive in oxygen depleted environments where fish cannot; they wreak massive havoc on commercial fisheries. Overfishing eliminates a major jellyfish competitor and predator exacerbating the jellyfish population explosion.

Are the world’s fisheries destined to follow the example of the Atlantic Cod in the 1990’s? (Woah, lookout, there’s another peak).


Inefficient fishing with terrible collateral damage
We are also fishing inefficiently. Bottom trawling is a perverse method of fishing that scrapes the sea-floor of all life, only to sell a tiny fraction of the actual catch. Most of the catch is then thrown back into the sea as ‘by-catch’. It also destroys important sponge ecosystems along the bottom of our oceans.

National Geographic photographer Brian Skerry presented some of his work at TED (2010). His work is beautiful, but the subject is not. As Brian’s TED talk so graphically shows, a mere handful of 7 or 8 shrimp kills 10 pounds of ‘by-catch’.

Are we being poisoned by micro-plastics in the ocean?
There are 5 oceanic gyres collecting a thick soup of micro-plastic particles, which one do you live nearest? Fish and birds end up with this plastic in their guts, and the various hormonal and chemical toxins accumulate through the food chain.



For more
What’s an Ocean Garbage Patch? : Video : Discovery News.

Wiki: Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch

Wiki: North_Atlantic_Garbage_Patch
​

Sorry, but corals are effected.

The fluid in the internal compartments where corals grow their exoskeleton is also extremely important for calcification growth. When the saturation rate of aragonite in the external seawater is at ambient levels, the corals will grow their aragonite crystals rapidly in their internal compartments, hence their exoskeleton grows rapidly. If the level of aragonite in the external seawater is lower than the ambient level, the corals have to work harder to maintain the right balance in the internal compartment. When that happens, the process of growing the crystals slows down, and this slows down the rate of how much their exoskeleton is growing. Depending on how much aragonite is in the surrounding water, the corals may even stop growing because the levels of aragonite are too low to pump into the internal compartment. They could even dissolve faster than they can make the crystals to their skeleton, depending on the aragonite levels in the surrounding water.[85]
Ocean acidification - Wikipedia​

This statement is just so wrong I don't really know how to respond?
Experts: The Great Barrier Reef cannot be saved

Wow so much work.. But the topic of this thread is Atmospheric carbon and it's effects on climate.. It is not about all these other activities that cause forest depletion or contamination of the sea or fish stock reduction.. The damaging effects of human activities apart from atmosphere carbon are a different matter..

 

[eclipsenow]

Can you communicate without exclamation points? Where's the fire?

Coming to a civilisation near you.