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Ephrem the Syrian on Sorrows meme

Discussion in 'Traditional Theology' started by Pavel Mosko, Nov 9, 2019 at 9:13 AM.

  1. Pavel Mosko

    Pavel Mosko Arch-Dude of the Apostolic Supporter

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    I ran across this meme when looking at my Facebook notifications and it got me to thinking. I know of a number of Christian friends who would hate it especially coming from Charismatic Protestant backgrounds etc. so what do you think about it?


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  2. ~Anastasia~

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    I can appreciate it.

    Bad things happen. They are obviously allowed by God, or else they wouldn't happen. The good news is that they can benefit us and help us turn to God.

    The quote leaves some of that unstated, I guess. It makes it sound more like a "test" to some ears, as if God Himself needs information. That isn't the correct way to understand it though. Rather we need to know that He does (and allows) all things for our ultimate good (and the most ultimate good is always salvation).

    It is opposed to the idea some have (and that has a thread in history back to ancient times as far as Job and before) that God rewards the righteous and punishes the wicked on earth, so we could judge a soul based on how well they appear to prosper. But that is and always has been an error.
     
  3. Tigger45

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    That was basically the homily at the service this morning.
     
  4. Andrewn

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    Why would Charismatics hate this?
     
  5. Pavel Mosko

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    Lots of Charismatic Protestants are into the notion of "the authority of the Believer" described below in the link. And the quote sort of goes against that. These people tend to believe we can always take spiritual authority over the devil and all his actions often citing saint Paul's epistles etc. (besides the gospels) even though saint Paul himself by his own admission went through a great deal of buffeting and trials etc. They basically have an overly simplistic view of theodicy and the life of Faith. They cannot comprehend that God sometimes uses suffering redemptively etc.


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  6. Andrewn

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    I read the article. I think that Traditional Christians, being mostly Amillennialists, and believe that satan is already bound would agree with what is said the article. I don't see contradiction with St Ephraim's quote. If satan has no authority over believers, then it must be that "God permits each of us to be afflicted."
     
  7. Pavel Mosko

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    The best I can describe things is with the following article written by a Protestant theologian. The article has personally helped me and I tend to cite it to console other people who go through difficult circumstances.

    Anyway the article describes the mind set of the author at the beginning of the article who is very much like some of these charismatic friends I've known. And what happens to him after he experiences a setback in getting his doctorate in theology where he has to rethink his personal theology on success, theodicy etc.


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  8. Andrewn

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    Good article. At the beginning of the article, the author describes his poor theology. I wouldn't generalize this as Charismatic Protestant theology. This poor theology is limited to WOF movement and to people who watch TV preachers :). By the end of article, with a little bit of thoughtfulness and reflection, his theology became normal. It's like what happened with Job's friends: an ancient story.
     
  9. charsan

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    I have a Charismatic background and go to the Charismatic Episcopal Church and agree with the meme. I think WOF would hate it though :)
     
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