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My rules? I don't think so. In this last weak Protestants have been called "shallow, surface thinkers" and "rednecks" just to name a couple of the blatant insults that have been tossed our way . . . and I don't recall one protestant replying in kind.I'm just playing by your rules. If anyone is allowed to make up they're own definition of Sola Scriptura, then I have made my own and it fits perfectly. Actually, mine sounds remarkably similar to the LCMS one.
what's with the ad hom?
Yes, I know. But, it is not the Protestants to which I am making my point. My point is that the EOs and the RCs DO consider these men to be authoritative. So, I thought some of you might need to know what the earliest teachers of the Church (before the, uh-hem . . . schism) actually taught. Thought you might want to re-evaluate what the "truth" really is.Racer, thank you for sharing these wonderful quotes from the ECF's. But unfortunately Protestantism doesn't consider the ECF's as the Authoritive Teachers of Scripture and Doctrine. Basically it defeats the purpose of quoting ECF's if they are not held as Authorities on Scripture and Doctrine.
My rules? I don't think so. In this last weak Protestants have been called "shallow, surface thinkers" and "rednecks" just to name a couple of the blatant insults that have been tossed our way . . . and I don't recall one protestant replying in kind.
I'm just playing by your rules. If anyone is allowed to make up they're own definition of Sola Scriptura, then I have made my own and it fits perfectly. Actually, mine sounds remarkably similar to the LCMS one.
what's with the ad hom?
I didn't specify any particular people, so no I'm not confusing you with anybody.you must have me confused with someone else...
It ain't gonna happen--it can't, because both groups have made infallible declarations that prevent either side from giving in.
Touchy today, huh . . . .[/size]I guess that's what it all comes down to, we will never agree on anything due to our own stubbornness and egos. We're really talking in circles here so I am going to bow out of this thread. Peace be with you.
Your posit:First, nobody ever said that people are allowed to "make-up" their own definitions of anything. This post is yet another blatant example of how YOU have absolutely no qualms about distorting another persons words when you have no credible or insightful response to affirm your arguments. So, you create an argument that was never presented to you.
The point I'm getting at, that I am beginning to believe is being purposefully ignored is this: If there were 50 people who give 50 different explanations, this still would not discredit or negate Sola Scriptura. It only means that 50 people either understand it differently/incorrectly or simply do not articulate it accurately.
Yes, I know. But, it is not the Protestants to which I am making my point. My point is that the EOs and the RCs DO consider these men to be authoritative. So, I thought some of you might need to know what the earliest teachers of the Church (before the, uh-hem . . . schism) actually taught. Thought you might want to re-evaluate what the "truth" really is.
Hello Standing Up,
Here is a link that would list my posts in this thread that have the examples and explanations:
http://www.christianforums.com/search.php?searchid=3229969
Thank you.
It said, no matches. Nothing else came up.
Justin Martyr is correct , Christ was hanging on the cross till almost evening. Because when evening comes its the sabbath day and the body had to be taken down before then and laid in a tomb. Hence why the legs were broken of the other ttwo to kill them quickly. The women didnt even have time to annoint the body. Now not sure what NT your reading but its obvious not the same as mine. Even others who hold to sola scripture would disagree with your timeline, now is that sola scrupture or your interpretation of those scripture?.
Hmm.... the way I did it is clicked on my name once, it brought a drop down menu and I selected "find all posts by Yeznik". Hope this helps.
Yes, I know. But, it is not the Protestants to which I am making my point. My point is that the EOs and the RCs DO consider these men to be authoritative. So, I thought some of you might need to know what the earliest teachers of the Church (before the, uh-hem . . . schism) actually taught. Thought you might want to re-evaluate what the "truth" really is.
How about just the two most difficult SS issues with scripture?
SUP: Justin quotes the OT text, regardless of the manuscript. "Thus his hands were steady until the sun set/evening. " He then changes it to "almost sunset". O, RCC, P all do not follow scripture; you are not faithful to scripture, but follow Justin Martyr. Of course, that is what you said you did.
Further, Martyr tells you why he alters scripture---so Jesus could be buried before sunset, according to Tradition. Had he followed scripture, Jesus would be buried the next day. That is OT and NT scripture.
Scripture--OT and NT.
Eventually I'll start a separate thread on it.
"For it was not without design that the prophet Moses, when Hur and Aaron upheld his hands, remained in this form until evening. For indeed the Lord remained upon the tree almost until evening, and they buried Him at eventide; then on the third day He rose again."
ANF01. The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus | Christian Classics Ethereal Library (chapter XCVII, (97), Dialogue with Trypho)
The quote does say "almost evening", though. Almost evening is also known as eventide. It precedes sunset.
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